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LibraSparkle
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posted September 18, 2004 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I'd be really interested in what you fellas have to say on this subject.

Paras? Randall? Yin? (The few that pop in here the most).

I think it would be helpful to hear the male perspective.

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 20, 2004 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
What Would U Do - City High

boys and girls wanna hear a true story
saturday nite i was at this real wild party
they had the liquor overflowing the cup
about 5 or 6 strippers trying to work for a buck
and i took one girl outside with me
her name was lonny she went to junior high wit me
i said why u up in there dancin for cash
i bet a whole lots changed since i seen u last she said

what would u do if ur son is was at home
cryin all alone on the bedroom floor cuz hes hungry
and the only way to feed him
is to sleep wit a man for alittle bit a money
and his daddys gone
so we're smoking rock now
in and outta lock-down
i aint gotta job now
so for u this is just a good time
but for me this is what i call life mmmm

girl u aint the only one wit a baby
that aint no excuse to b living all crazy
then she looked me right square in da eye
and said every day i wake up hoping to die
if god knew about pay cuts
me and my sister ran away so my daddy couldn't rape us
before i was a teenager
i done been through more **** than u can relate to

what would u do if ur son is was at home
cryin all alone on the bedroom floor cuz hes hungry
and the only way to feed him
is to sleep wit a man for alittle bit a money
and his daddys gone
so we're smoking rock now
in and outta lock-down
i aint gotta job now
so for u this is just a good time
but for me this is what i call life mmmm

HOLD UP
what would u do
get up on my feet and let go of every excuse
what would u do
cause i wouldnt want my baby to go through what i went through
come on what would u do
get up on my feet and stop makin tired excuses
what would u do
girl i know if my mother can do it baby u can do it

what would u do if ur son is was at home
cryin all alone on the bedroom floor cuz hes hungry
and the only way to feed him
is to sleep wit a man for alittle bit a money
and his daddys gone
so we're smoking rock now
in and outta lock-down
i aint gotta job now
so for u this is just a good time
but for me this is what i call life mmmm

You can hear this song here (using real player): http://boss.streamos.com/real/interscope/cityhigh/audio/00_what_would_u_do.ram

I really love this song. I heard it on the radio this morning, and it struck me that I should post it here.

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Philbird
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posted September 20, 2004 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Boy! Am I glad I didn't ask advice before I danced. My name was Si-moan!
Relax! Have fun with it. I used stickers as pasties! (small ones, ya know)
As soon as you start worring about the "What If's", it becomes a chore, not an experience. Yes, keep your head about you, but paranoia isn't going to help you dance better. IMO

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pixelpixie
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posted September 20, 2004 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for posting the lyrics!! I have heard it before and it really struck me. What a great song. So true, too.... overcome cycles......

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 20, 2004 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
This is totally hearsay, but I've heard that the song is true. The chick singing is telling her story, and the guy actually did find her at a party like he says in the song. They formed a music group, and she doesn't have to leave her son at home alone and strip to pay the bills anymore.

The first time I heard this song, I cried.

To know me is to know that that's really not all that surprising, though. I cry at all kinds of things If I'm overwhelmed with any kind of emotion (positive or negative) I usually cry. It's pretty frustrating sometimes... sometimes I really don't want to cry, but whatever hit me and I really don't have much control over it... Cancer Moon ... it's good for somethings, but everything has pros and cons, huh?

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astralah
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posted September 20, 2004 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astralah     Edit/Delete Message
I'm feelin' what you said, Philbird. Actually, the only time it feels like an ordeal to me is when I let other peoples' opinions stress me out. When I relax and let go, the whole thing shrinks dramatically in importance. I'm supposed to feel roughened, but honestly I can't remember feeling more light and carefree, sort of childlike.After all, shame about sex and our bodies is not natural; it is a cuturally transmitted disease handed down from our Puritanical forefathers. It's very unhealthy IMO.On another note, I havn't been able to apply anywhere else because my mom and I got in a huge fight and she wound up hitting me; I've got scratches and bruises on my arms. Is that just her Catholicism or do you think she's kind of psycho?

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posted September 20, 2004 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astralah     Edit/Delete Message
I'm feelin' what you said, Philbird. Actually, the only time it feels like an ordeal to me is when I let other peoples' opinions stress me out. When I relax and let go, the whole thing shrinks dramatically in importance. I'm supposed to feel roughened, but honestly I can't remember feeling more light and carefree, sort of childlike.After all, shame about sex and our bodies is not natural; it is a cuturally transmitted disease handed down from our Puritanical forefathers. It's very unhealthy IMO.On another note, I havn't been able to apply anywhere else because my mom and I got in a huge fight and she wound up hitting me; I've got scratches and bruises on my arms. Is that just her Catholicism or do you think she's kind of psycho?

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astralah
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posted September 20, 2004 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astralah     Edit/Delete Message
I'm feelin' what you said, Philbird. It only feels like an ordeal when I let other peoples' opinions affect me. So, I havn't been applying at other clubs because I got in a big fight with my mom and she wound up hitting me. I've got scratches and bruises on both arms. She is Catholic, but I think she went too far. Is she psycho?

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Philbird
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posted September 20, 2004 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps, if you are living under your Mom's roof, it may be a good idea to abide by her rules. But it's not a reason to hit you. That's a whole different topic!!!

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lalalinda
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posted September 20, 2004 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
astralah;
I think she just loves you

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astralah
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posted September 21, 2004 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astralah     Edit/Delete Message
Philbird: I am living under her roof, but, shoot, I'm over eighteen, so by law she has no say in where I go to work. Lalalinda: Thanks for the Halmark moment, but if you look at mom's track record, it's dubious that she really loves me or any of my siblings. I don't want to get tabloidish with the details or anything but she has a lot to answer for with regards to her role as a mother.

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redgoddess
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posted September 21, 2004 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redgoddess     Edit/Delete Message
first of all, hello to everyone because I'm new here!

I wanted to say something about the whole "stripping" issue, if I may.

I am now 22 and publishing my first novel, as well as doing other things. however, when i was 18, i was desperate for a job and after a few interviews at dead-end jobs, I thought maybe stripping was a possiblility. After all, I have a drop dead face and body and felt I could handle the negative side of the business. I also knew I could work at an upscale place and not some sleazy dive because of my looks and attitude. But as soon as the thought hit my mind, I asked a male friend of mine what he thought about it and he gave me a very honest answer: once you have been a stripper, it is hard to ever earn respect from people worth considering. To make a long story short, he said what I already knew. The males I hang around with would never date or marry a stripper, because the very idea is that your sexuality can be bought, and having been to clubs twice, just watching the girls pick up their dollar bills from the stage is so painful! Women are the most powerful force on the earth, and it hurts me to see that so many of you on an enlightened website like this have been there! I guess what I want to know is how you could ever think that doing something like that is ok. I know when I was 18, all I cared about was money...but even at 18 I had more sense than to exploit myself. I know this response seems like a study in contradictions, but as a young woman I'm very interested in other womens' opinions, so please don't take offense and I hope to hear some interesting responses.

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Randall
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posted September 21, 2004 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome!

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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thirteen
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posted September 22, 2004 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
redgoddes for being so young has lots of wisdom. listen to her.

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 22, 2004 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
Redgoddess, We all got there by different means. People come from different places... some don't have the same values instilled in them when they are small children.

There are a lot of factors that would cause people at "such an enlightened site" to have been there at some point in their lives. Not everyone's life is about peaches and cream. Some of us were beaten... regularly... or, had our self esteem widdled down by our own parents. Some people might not think it's as disgusting as you... and not all men feel about strippers (or ex-strippers) the way your friends do. If a person cannot see past the fact that I spent 2 short years of my 29 years stripping... then they're a waste of my time, and not a very decent person.

I don't worry about people who somehow lose respect for me because I've been there... the type of person that would judge me harshly for it is not worthy of the energy it would take me to worry about such a judgemental person. I wouldn't want to associate with someone like that anyhow.

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pixelpixie
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posted September 22, 2004 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
nor should you.

Librasparkle, you rock my world. Big smooches for you.
Right on the lips * *

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Philbird
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posted September 22, 2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I can assure you, if you are a female lawer, Dr., Psychologist... the men you see are undressing you with their eyes. What's the difference if they lack a little imagination and need to actually see you half naked and pay you as they would any other professional.
What are your opinions on nude models for artists, are they tainted as well? There wouldn't be Renaissance art, or progressive art. I believe dancing is just another form of art, if you treat it like it is. Don't think for a moment Ruben didn't try to take advantage of his models!
Still Astalia, if you are living under your mother's roof, respect her wishes.

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posted September 22, 2004 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I can assure you, if you are a female lawer, Dr., Psychologist... the men you see are undressing you with their eyes. What's the difference if they lack a little imagination and need to actually see you half naked and pay you as they would any other professional.
What are your opinions on nude models for artists, are they tainted as well? There wouldn't be Renaissance art, or progressive art. I believe dancing is just another form of art, if you treat it like it is. Don't think for a moment Ruben didn't try to take advantage of his models!
Still Astralah, if you are living under your mother's roof, respect her wishes.

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lalalinda
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posted September 22, 2004 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Whoa, its getting interesting again

My response to Astralah was more to her age and reference to her education. To me it doesn't sound like shes had much experience with men (youth/virginal) This is a good thing (do I sound like Martha S ?)This will be important to her first love. It will make her precious. A Gentlemans Club is not where you want to start your education about men. She would be confused for the rest of her life.

I have nothing against dancing. To each their own and I know many Professional Dancers (men and women) Its not as easy or glamorous as it sounds, a lot of hard work. As with anything, the keyword here is integrity.

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Philbird
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posted September 22, 2004 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmmm, LaLaLinda.
I do believe maturity is important...

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may12tauruslady
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posted September 22, 2004 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for may12tauruslady     Edit/Delete Message
you're welcome astralah. as a matter of fact I'VE started dancing as a hobby! just a couple weeks ago. it's a great confidence builder and there are instructional tapes now! my first guy that i "practiced" for is only 26 and i'm 38. let me tell you i blew his mind. now i'm about to "practice" for another guy, but first i'm going to lose about 5 lbs. my name is "milky way"

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posted September 22, 2004 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Stripping is a facet of the "Sex Trade", and to deny that there is a stigma attached to that trade is niave. It's harder to find a person who doesn't judge a stripper negatively than it is to find someone who does.

I believe that if a person has a strong sense of self worth, they would not even entertain the idea. If their self worth is minimal or damaged, then they'll easily talk themselves into it, not realizing that they're not doing themselves any favors.

Incidently, both of the female strippers I knew were sexually abused by a family member. One, by her step-father, the other by her older cousin. It's a symptom of a damaged sense of self worth, and a numbed conscience, and it's not good for your spirit, or that of society as a whole (or should that say HOLE)

If you just like the dance and the seduction, save it for your sweetheart. At least that results in something positive.

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Philbird
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posted September 22, 2004 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps some of the "Nay Sayers" are intimdated by their own sexuality. I would think, if you came from an abusive enviornment, you would be MORE aware of your body and its limitations. You may also say, that someone who comes from a sexually abusive enviornment would be better able to draw a line between sex and sexuality.
We are harping on women here, and playing by society's rules regarding what we SHOULD and SHOULD NOT do with our bodies. In some ways, our society (especially women) equate using our bodies for OUR desires, with murder.
Remember there is a stigma created by women who are still vowing to remain pure, TO PLEASE MEN! It's still a Patriarchal society, and men want to see and taste the merchandise before they buy. There are worse problems out there to worry about, why harp on what a woman wants to do to earn money?

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posted September 22, 2004 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Philbird...
I agree, it's their life. But, the question was asked what people think. You're not suggesting that only those who are in favor should actually reply, are you?

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Philbird
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posted September 22, 2004 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
No, not at all. I'm not really sure why you asked that.

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