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Topic: Unconditional Love
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ariestiger
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From: UK
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posted May 25, 2005 11:13 AM
 
Today I was talking to a spiritual healer I know about working on myself, I said that I needed some spiritual calming.
"Yes, but on the other hand," she said, "it's all that Arien energy - which I've got as well - and you don't want to dampen that down too much, you don't want to become a mediocrity."
"I know," I said. "That's what I'm afraid of, and I don't know which way to go."So, anyway, she talked me through coming to grips with what I really want - and the ritual involved in doing so - and she said that this time of the year - the Christ Full Moon - was the best time to do it. I think I do know what I want already - ultimately, although it will be extremely difficult. She also talked about unconditional love, saying that you've basically reached the top of the mountain when you can give it. This is something that I guess I find hard. I think I'm able to give it - and then find out I'm not. But again, her words formed another piece of the puzzle I am trying so maddeningly to construct. So I felt myself taking a deep breath when thinking of certain people in my life - and thinking that in a sense I must love them unconditionally, because otherwise I would only be inflicting pain on myself. It wasn't a question of turning the other cheek, but giving up possessiveness - does that make sense? Has anyone managed to implement true, unconditional love successfully? LOL AriesTiger IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted May 25, 2005 01:10 PM
I don't know...
I am still but a thread way down on this spiritual quilt.
It is conditional.
We are a product of our conditioning...
then we find our own conditions
then we fit in with others and their conditions,
It all goes together like that, insanely.
And sometimes it doesn't matter...
It is hard to evolve into this greater person, when conditions pull at you.
Isn't being an Aries, a 'condition'.. It is who you are, and it needs to be acknowledged, and explored, but this erratic internal searching is a condition of being human, and being born under the sign Aries.
*or Scorpio for that matter, 
I am so talking out of my ass here......
I don't know.....
It is beautiful and high minded to forget expectations of others.. but if we are all here to perfect journeys, together and alone.. shouldn't we respect ourselves enough to need certain things from people?
If that doesn't happen, redefine, scratch and itch and renegotiate.....
and if it still doesn't work, let go inside and find where it takes you?
Not that others should be punished for not meeting our expectations ( that we have conditioned ourselves to need ) But don't we owe it to ourselves to be as true to the moment as we can?
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pidaua
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posted May 25, 2005 03:59 PM
Pixie, That was so beautifully put  As always your words carry so much wisdom. AriesTiger, Personally, I think that unconditional love does not have to apply to all individual people in our lives, but maybe the universal population as a whole. By that I mean, love humanity, accept humanity for what we are...yet that does not mean you have to accept those that are hurtful "into" your life...rather protect yourself from their negative energy (whatever it may be) but love their humanity. I find it very easy to LOVE people but that does not mean I necessarily love their personality or their actions. Does that make sense? IP: Logged |
neptune's mermaid
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posted May 25, 2005 05:02 PM
I suppose to succeed in something like this you’d have to be very tolerant and patient of peoples flaws…and more importantly forgiving. Personally I think this is a little too Mother Teresa i.e. too hard Maybe understanding will help you get there. Kinda like how if someone you disliked told you how hard their childhood was and things like that, you’d feel compassion for them…and no longer dislike them. Perhaps understanding and compassion is the key. I still think it’s really hard, but good luck anyway  if you can achieve it, I’m sure it will be well worth it IP: Logged |
ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
From: UK
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted May 25, 2005 05:25 PM
Pixie/Pidaua, this is great feedback. I am exhausted - because I have been preoccupied with this - I am going to take a bath and go to bed ASAP - but I WANT to comment on this before I do. (Thoughts might be a bit woolly.)Loving humanity - I can see the point - this is maybe something I don't do enough. Whilst I like individual people, do I like humanity? Perhaps I should try reversing the scenario somewhat and see what happens. Perhaps this is the key to "humanity" loving us back; a "likability" factor!! I find this hard to do as I am skeptical where most human relationships are concerned and not naturally very trusting. I don't think there is any way that I could let certain people back into my life again - as I also find it difficult to forgive - but there is a possibility that PROJECTING as close to "unconditional" (if that is what you like to call it) love as was possible for me could take my focus off my own problems and onto something from which everyone stood to benefit. I tried it this afternoon... in a roundabout way. It worked!! Sure, I have expectations - and I am only human, so sometimes it frustrates me when people don't live up to them. However, who am I really kidding here? And recently I was in a position where I felt I really did love someone unconditionally...and maybe I still do..and maybe it's good for me, maybe it's pushing me forward in a way and compelling me to be stronger. I hope it's all to the good. I feel drained - but I'm not going to give up. I'm not a basket case yet!! LOL AT
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ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
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posted May 25, 2005 05:33 PM
Neptune's Mermaid, I hear you!!I experienced the compassion of which you speak when I heard how a previous schoolmate (who was constantly "got at" for being a "spoiled brat") was actually beaten and pushed down the stairs on a regular basis by her mother - and then told to pretend to everybody that it was an accident!! The mother then showered her with toys, clothes, etc. to make sure she kept mum (ugh - no pun intended). I always felt a bit sorry for the kid, no-one liked her mother. (Why are some people so unbelievably awful to their children?!!) I could empathize completely, because I had experienced similar treatment. But there again, maybe I just need to let go of those experiences, since dwelling on them does no good. Life does seem to be getting better and I think that if I can keep consciously improving along the lines that are being discussed, it could be richer. Who knows? I never thought I'd be discussing this sort of thing - I am asking questions I never thought would cross my mind - but maybe it has to do with turning 30, or realizing there's more to life than, specifically, your own private universe. LOL AT IP: Logged |
ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
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Registered: Jan 2004
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posted May 26, 2005 04:00 AM
And another thing. The thing about unconditional love is that it gets TESTED. It demands SO much "letting go". But in the end it can become more rewarding than if one had chosen not to give it, or to retract it. They say Venus in Pisces is prone to "unconditional love". I don't know how true that is. Was Mother Teresa a Cancer or a Scorpio? I feel sure she was one or another Water sign. Some say that parents have unconditional love for their children - again, I can't comment on the veracity of that statement, since there appear to be so many expectations tied up in a parent-child relationship...that blur the issue. IP: Logged |
geminstone
Knowflake Posts: 1007
From: Golden, CO
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted May 26, 2005 06:31 PM
I would say that it is not necessarily expectations of the parent/child bond but, the expectations tied up in what and how love is. Personally, I think that ' like ', is far too often confused for love, eith that or, tied to the expectations of what love is and, should have. I can honestly say that, it is those that I feel love the most for, that are also, the only ones that I have truely hated too.... If that makes any sense.... I have noticed that it is those closest in life that, push you around the most but, they are also the ones who know you and, usually are there to carry you at your worst...... and, countless times. 'Love' is universal, 'Like' is personal....~ geminstone IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted May 30, 2005 08:48 AM
It's crazy late for me, and I should be in bed, but instead I'm going to theorize on unconditional love.It would seem to me that the point of unconditional love is being for a person what they need to achieve growth (even being tough). It seems like it would take an immense amount of wisdom, personal rapport, and intuition to determine exactly what a person needs every step of the way. It's a noble endeavor. It also seems like if this was your mission, and you pursued it with zeal that even in the cases where you did the wrong thing you would be quick to self-correct because you have that goal of being exactly what that person needs in their life. You would need to experiment frequently to know precisely what is and isn't useful in helping out that person. Good luck! IP: Logged |
lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 3291
From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted May 30, 2005 05:01 PM
unconditional love for most Aries belongs to their children, unless you don't mind possibly becoming a doormat. (and Aries do MIND)Fire signs have such a strong sense of right and wrong. We do take it personally. More so I would focus on "Universal Love" (as Piddy just said) and on being nonjudgemental.
What would you do if someone slapped your child? let it go? forgive them? no you'll be undeniably (and rightfully) angry. No turning the other cheek, no unconditional anything except my foot down their throat  . peace out IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted May 31, 2005 01:48 AM
Sorry, I havent read through this whole thread. Just wanted to say that I think you all would love this book. It's in my top 10:Love Without Conditions: Reflections of the Christ Mind
~by Paul Ferrini
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"Everything you can imagine is real."
~ Picasso
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monad
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posted May 31, 2005 09:52 AM
do nothing. love appears.IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 13411
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posted May 31, 2005 04:23 PM
Be Love.IP: Logged |
ariestiger
Knowflake Posts: 1136
From: UK
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 01, 2005 12:44 PM
hmmm, the question of Universal Love, and "radiating"...Can you see my halo? Anyone? (Felt more like an iron band round my head yesterday when I had a migraine...must'a been a stressful Mars-Pluto aspect...)I was talking abt. spirituality with a friend the other day - not the same one, in fact I think she's a Capricorn - and she is very strongly Christian. And she said, well, go to church, there's plenty of spirituality there...and I made it clear that that's not exactly the tack I want to go along, because I want to see this subject from many different angles & interpretations, not just the Christian one. Which is not to say I don't appreciate a Christian approach - just not a "Church" approach. lalalinda, I don't have kids, so I guess it's a question of focusing on Universal love ...everything else will follow through and fall into place, I am sure... 26taurus - Thanks for the book recommendation...hopefully shall be able to read it when I get a chance - am incredibly busy at the moment...! Another thing. You guys at LL do not know how much you have helped me. You do what therapists can't. It's official! Lindaland is better than therapy. Where else can one hang out with fellow astro-"heads", and where else "vibes" better??! LOL AT IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
It's true.
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