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leoelf
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From: In My Head
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posted July 16, 2005 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Tink. I am so glad that you do.
I am sorry you no longer post here.
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This whole thing just sort of has me thinking now. I've been here for close to a year and all of a sudden NOW, (soon after I've posted pics in photoshop) I'm being treated this way. As some sort of "outcast" or "troublemaker" LoL, so I suppose I'm the "drama seeking black girl now" because negroes have nothing better to do than that, right? All we do is fight, argue, and cause problems. Our intentions are never positive. Typical "netiquette" I, I suppose. It all makes sense now. I won't "litter" here anymore. No worries.

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Nephthys
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posted July 16, 2005 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Just for the record, Moderators can't ban people as stated by Randall in this post of his from a thread on Heathcliffe's Corner;

quote:
Mods can't ban anyone. Everyone is responsible for their own words/actions/anger. I am the one who banned Tranquil Poet.

Libra ~

quote:
I know I have addressed Tranquil Poet about breaking the rules of engagement here in LL. I even posted the rules that were specifically broken... only to be told to go back to my own forum and mind my own business.

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pixelpixie
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posted July 16, 2005 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Leo elf
*gasp*
Is all I have to say to that.
I guess I don't know how it is to be black. BUt at least for me.. Nothing like that EVER has ANY bearing on my perception of people.
Sadly, I can't speak for all.. I have seen people with these twisted views in my own life, and I am always the first to call them on it. * I wish it mattered though*
Even stupid little 'jokes'... I don't find them funny in the least. I am hoping each successive generation leaves that bullsh!t behind.. where it belongs.
I am sorry that even entered your mind.
I'd like to think that isn't the case here.

Tink!
I miss you, just beat me already... I can take it.
Just come back.
It's hard to live with ramifications of something that blew out of proportion. That whole thing has left me even more sensitive about the things I post, and how others might be offended.
So I have learned. Isn't that the point?

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leoelf
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posted July 17, 2005 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
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pixelpixie
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posted July 17, 2005 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
oh baby...
I am drunk, so I can't fully expres what Imean to.
I have seen all this emotion from you, and I dont; want to tke emphasis way from your feeling.. I know you are feeling very raw right now and hurt, and this whole thing is just huge.
*hugs*
It's not huge.. this thread issue isn't huge.
Your heart is huge.
Thats what started the thread, your hewart. so things were taken out of context. so what.
The impotant thing here, is that you are hurting. And don't think the 'pregnant thing' rolled past this radar.
Really?
Is it Mr. cancer?
I will absolutely edit tomorrow id that is uncomfprtable for you.. but you left it so you want to talk about it.
I wish I wasn't drunk, my fingers don't work.....
Thanmk you for saying those beautiful things about me.. that s what I mean, I keep wantiong to refer you to the post where you asked about yourself and perception, and all these nice things were said.. but not just that one.. it is all arpuind. which is to say, please, don't feel like all the love you have put out there is worthless, I feel it, others feel it, and who even casres, because next week, next new thread will bring more of your heart, and I wantr you to be here to feel it.
Need to talk?
I'm here.
as are others.

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Azalaksh
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posted July 17, 2005 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
**edited**

I take it back.

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ariestiger
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posted July 17, 2005 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have a favourite Kf/moderator, but I shall provide a list of those who I have found memorable in one way or another, for better or worse reasons, and in no particular order. (Let's turn this into a competition to see who can remember as many names as poss. off the top of their heads. If I have left out anyone, please slap me )

pixelpixie, pidaua, HSC, maya-v, astrojunkie, sthenri, WaterNymph, aries-chick, Mond Traumtanzer, virgotaurustaurus, 26T, future_uncertain, Sheaa Olein, Aquarian Girl, ghanima, Lioneye, Aphrodite, trillian, Carlo, GemStar, sue g (you're great), fayte.m, Mutable Night Force, Blue Roamer, Archer + the goat (for the thread that got locked a while back and which was so bloody funny I think it deserved the Thread of the Year award), Acoustic God (you're cool), Isis, jwhop, Lanny (have't seen him for a while), proxieme, Secret Garden, gemini girl, Philbird, noreenz, LibraSparkle, Sun_Scorpion, Azalaksh, Mama Mia, crazyaries, TP, GeminiAries, Aselzion, The Rev. Alice...

The list goes on and I would have got to know of none of these people but for and LL. They all have their own idiosyncrasies that add to the marvellous spice of life.

Where are you Randall?

******CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP******

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Saturn's Child
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posted July 17, 2005 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn's Child     Edit/Delete Message
leoelf, please don't cry anymore. I know your ententions were beautiful, just as you are beautiful inside and out.Gosh, I think Leo women are so magnificent!! One of my very best friends in the world is Leo and she is so great and so much fun. So please let this pass and know that there are better things coming, better times...and a little babe?? When will it be here? Please take care of yourself. You need to be healthy and happy. Don't let one or two people destroy that for you when there are so many here who care for you. We really do you know. I think you are great, beautiful, caring, sensitive and loving.
(I had no idea that you are black and it does not enter into the equation at all for me...I hope it doesn't for anyone else either. That kind of prejudice makes me sick to my stomach, literally.)
Be happy, leoelf......

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ariestiger
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posted July 17, 2005 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
Leoelf, I very much doubt that with the cosmopolitan nature of LL, people would be taking issue because you are black. What you have said abt. how black people are supposedly viewed - does that mirror the way YOU think of yourself as a black person?

Okay, I am half-German, I had to put up with people goose-stepping at school and calling me Hitler - right? The moment I started to LIVE was when I ignored and managed to dissociate myself from those people, stopped feeling sorry for myself, and proved to be a higher achiever than they were. And if that didn't shut them up - well, they were just idiots, basically, with nothing better to do.

I think that what was more under focus was maybe the nature of the question you originally posted, or the way it was worded. Maybe you could look a bit at your writing style, re-phrase things etc., I know things always sound different written down, or out loud, than they do in one's head. Ultimately, it is probably also best not to get too emotionally involved, but rather view these forums as an opportunity for practising dispassionate debate (says she)

LOL

AT

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jwhop
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posted July 17, 2005 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Angel

I've been fine trillian and you're right, it's been a while. So how are you?

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sweetlibra
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posted July 18, 2005 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetlibra     Edit/Delete Message
Leoelf, I dono what is the issue here. But here is my love on ur way

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Aphrodite
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posted July 18, 2005 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, sweetheart Leoelf. I intuitively knew there were some very serious issues you are dealing with in life. I am sending my love and angel prayers out to you. Imagine lots of soft blues and glittery gold sparkles wrapped around you.

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TINK
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posted July 19, 2005 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
No hard feelings, pixie. No beatings necessary. It is what it is.

How are you feeling today, leoelf?

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leoelf
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posted July 19, 2005 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
I'm ok. It's difficult for me to read through this thread so I avoid it, I'm not ignoring anyone, I just don't want to read anything that may upset me again.

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Planet_Soul
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posted July 20, 2005 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet_Soul     Edit/Delete Message
Hugs and Blessings to you and your lil one LeoElf

I love this site, but yeah the profanity really does turn me off. I don't get how people can be so mean sometimes.

AG and Jwhop, I just love reading your debates/perspectives in GU. Its cool that you don't see things the same way, because then I stop and consider something I wouldn't have otherwise. You guys are my CNN I'm glad that you're able to disagree w/o insulting each other and that you feel so strongly about your beliefs. Kudos for being so refreshing and intelligent.

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pidaua
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posted July 20, 2005 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm.... Leoelf,

I am sorry you feel that people are singling you out for your color. I had no idea of your race or ethnicity. Heck, I haven't even looked at photoshop in months and I think most of us don't look at someone's words as an indication of race. I am quite offended that someone would even make that assumption- that the people here at Lindaland actually give a crap what color one is since we are all one anyway.

Any time an ignorant dork HAS made a comment on race, they are usually warned and banned if they keep up the behaviour. Those with a conscious that realize they were being cruel usually leave peacefully, those that are not as caring will come back again and again, only to keep calling people retards, homosexuals or hicks. (All those terms are offensive to various groups).

Again, I am sorry and angry if someone actually called you a name or associated anything you said with a specific race and that should not be tolerated.

Sug G,

Ahhh...thank you for your worries, but I am cool. Lots of names don't bother me, first off I know I don't have a fat head.. I mean it is a good sized melon, most of is Aries and Cancer mooners (I have an Aries moon) have nicely sized nuggets (or as my fiance says.. ."Your nugget is energized with positively charged ions that attract lightening bolts..LOL..." Guess I need to be aware when I am outside in a thunderstorm - better to leave the tin-foil hat at some.

I also know that I don't look anything like a man. Yes I am tall with a muscular body from being athletic / working out and I can be somewhat masculine in liking sports, hanging with guys etc.. but I have never had anyone mistake my sexuality or gender. I actually feel sorry for someone that has to go out of their way to make such a stupid comment, but I can bet they have never been stopped on the street by strangers just to be told that they are beautiful and have a great smile.

I think we are all special in someway, whether we are white, purple, red, black or green with glitter polka dots. I have insulted people, for that I am sure. I will call someone out to the carpet, question their opinions and even insult their train of logic. I have called people's words ugly, their behaviour to be the level of pond scum and called them bitter, mean and even evil based on what they have said. We all have that right.

It becomes a different story when the person cannot even dare to think of a response that is remotely intelligent, so they resort to "You fuc*ing, retard b*tch".

To each their own. If people want to defend that person or behaviour, then let them. We can always choose to ignore them, or personally, I will respond sometimes because it can be quite funny.

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leoelf
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posted July 21, 2005 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
Thank You, Planet Soul

Pidaua,
We aren't "all one" here, and that's pretty apparent to me. Yes most of you guys are, but there are a handful that are mentally disturbing and are not here for the best intentions. I hope that that amount of people stays at "handful" and doesn't grow.

You are a tough one to argue against, so I will agree to disagree about Tranquil Poet.
But I will say this, she has been here for me at this time more so than my closest friends. She doesn't do it out of obligation. She does it because she is selfless and caring.
Neither of you want to hear it. But, yes, there are similarities. Namely the enormous strength that the both of you have and share with others.

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pidaua
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posted July 21, 2005 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Leoelf,

You are more than entitled to your opinion and if you see similarities, then that is your perception. I will not equate myself or my strength with your friend TP. We are two totally different people and I am glad that she has come to your aid when you feel you needed her.

I will keep my firm stance on drawing a line when it comes to calling people names based on race, sexuality or geographical location just because one cannot find the right words to say. If you choose to align yourself with someone of that nature because you see a deeper connection and more thoughtful soul, then I highly encourage you to help her out in her responses. Then again, I have read some of yours where you respond not from reason but from pure emotion.

What I meant about us being "all one" is not that we all get along. God, that would be SO BORING, but that almost 99% of the people here at LindaLand DO NOT look at someone's race, gender, orientation or cultural background as a means to threaten or belittle them.

I can't imagine being angry at someone's words and then attributing them to being a "black drama queen". Your color has nothing to do with it - yet you used that in an argument and in the same breath alighn yourself with a person that often singles a person's color or perceived orientation to use against them in an argument.

I can't tell you how many times your friend has called me a hick because I live in a lower populated county. Yet, the dingbat never took the time to comprehend that big cities on the East and West coast where I have lived and gone to school at. LOL...

People will only take so much here and we get tired of people constanting breaking the rules (which it isn't even the rule breaking as much as it is just pure mean-spirited talk). I get tired of people threatening to leave EVERY TIME things don't go their way.

If you want to leave, then by all means go. People want to squash other's rights to speak or to defend themselves or to argue points because they don't like rough talk. It all boils down to this, as long as we don't cross the line (as I mentioned earlier) we are free to counter any ones statements, opinion's etc.... Heck we have had some real winners here - heck out Ozone - that we still keep posting back and forth with even if we don't care for their stance on things.

In any case, if you want to post, be my guest, enjoy your stay, but if you want to threaten to leave everytime you don't like the way the tide is turning, then leave. You are not the only minority here.... check out the photos and you will see MANY of us are of color, from various backgrounds and other countries.

Sorry if I am blunt, but someone has to be

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Mama Mia
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posted July 21, 2005 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
I hear ya Pidaua, I could have not said it better. I see no where in all of this that the race card was pulled. I am black women and believe me if I even thought for a split second that racial profiling was happening here I would have beeeeennnnn so gone..It had nothing to do with race be foreal...It was time for this to stop.

Personally I don't 100% look at how a person treats me I look at how they treat me and other ppl. There is no way that you can be nice to me and in my corner ect.ect. but you abuse other ppl and call them names harsh names at that. IT is just a matter of time b4 I start to wonder will you try and treat me like that at some point...

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leoelf
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posted July 21, 2005 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
Your advice is on absolutely right. LoL you're like the mom I've never had and I admire you in lots of ways.

Your bluntness doesn't bother me, Pidaua. Yes, lately I have responded to people based on pure emotion. At this point in my life, I've thrown logic in the trash, I've been only "feeling" these past few weeks and it has rubbed people the wrong way.
Yeah, the race thing may or may not have been wrong, it's just how I felt at the time.
I have been careful of my words and where I post, these past few days. I understand everyone is entitled to their opinions and I accept that. However, I am also entitled to my own, be it irrational or not.

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pidaua
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posted July 21, 2005 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Leo,

I wouldn't say that you are irrational.. you are just being emotional. I know that feeling because being a Sag with an Aries moon...well, I have done the same thing LOTS of times.

I reread my post (note to myself - reread when jetlagged).. I am sorry if it came across as harsh in any way and I wasn't trying to say that YOU are always threatening to leave- I mean the collective "you".

Drama is cool at times - we all need it. I like to read your posts (and sometimes laugh at the outbursts...we all do it sometimes). I'd like to see us all learn from these types of situations.

Thanks for the compliment - I don't know that I have ever been seen as a mother figure, but it's cool

***HUGS****

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leoelf
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posted July 21, 2005 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
You know why I say that? It's because I am self taught/self raised. I'm pretty satisfied considering the small amount of guidance I've recieved in my life. You say things to me that make sense and in a way you challenge me. (I know I couldn't win an argument with you, nor will I try to you are FIRE
Noone does that with me. Not even in my real life.

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Planet_Soul
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posted July 21, 2005 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet_Soul     Edit/Delete Message
I love this site, its the only forum I ever go too. I love posting, beign the chatty archer that I am I don't really know anyone here that good, but I know enough to see that most people here are really good people at heart.

LeoElf, I hope you feel better soon and that you do stick around. I'm sorry you are feeling tired and hurt, I hope you will soon be back to feeling like the Queen you are. Hooray for beautiful Lionesses, such style and grace with enviable intelligence.

Pidua, I love reading your rational well thought out posts. I don't really know you, but you come across as a very cool person to have around. I hope things are still going good with your Mr. Taurus and your new job, and that you continue to step in when the going gets tough here.

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pidaua
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posted July 21, 2005 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Leo,

LOL..I appreciate the sentiment. I am sure you could whoop my behind in an argument (even if you think you couldn't). My more emotional side comes out in verbal battles that have to do with anything regarding my feelings. I have that whole Uranus opposing Moon and squaring Mercury thing going on. It has taken me years to learn to sit back and think before I speak. I also can have a very harsh tone - in speech and in writing- so I have learned to soften that aspect as well.

I had been very guilty of taking a heavier tone with people close to me versus people that were mere acquaintances or co-workers. I have had people close to me say "Why can't you talk to me like you do others? You take such a biting tone with me". I thought it was just in their head until I caught myself doing it with Mr. Taurus and then I had read an article about it. Over this last weekend I pulled him aside and apologized for the way I had addressed him in the past- because I was always of the mind that people close to me should just "know" LOL...

Planet-Soul,

Mr. Taurus and I are doing fine. I am anxious for him to get back home. He had to go to an instructors course in TX for 3 1/2 weeks, then we went to his grandfather's funeral in NC and he flew back to TX yesterday. He should be making his way back here tomorrow. Busy.. busy..busy.. LOL..

I love my job (I could do without the politics) but that is to be expected in any career..especially one involving a local government. Can you believe the director actually said to me "Pidaua, you are very bright and beautiful, which makes you stand out in this department. Some people are intimidated by the combination - especially your breadth of knowledge. I should advise you that people may try to create problems for you out of jealousy, so please be aware".

I was like OMG... I have had MANY things said to me, but nothing along the lines of 'hey, don't be pretty or smart because you will tee off the ugly dumb people" LMAO..

In reality, even though I come across as very level headed here.. I am also a total spaz in real life - typical Saggie, but I am not a braggart - I am pretty humble and yet I am proud too. I try to help anyone I can and share what I have learned. I have spent too many years in research / science watching people try to guard their skills and information because they think it will give them the upper hand - it's so dumb.

My best buddy - also a Sag- that I work with said "Girl, you've got it going on and no matter how much you try to dress it down, your looks and brain is going to show no matter what. It is our Saggie magnetism". He is such a drama queen, I love it!!! LMAO...

How are things going with you?

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leoelf
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posted July 21, 2005 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leoelf     Edit/Delete Message
Planet Soul, you remind me of Thorshammer, he too, is Saggie

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