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Topic: The Matrix triology... your take...
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TheEvolution Knowflake Posts: 715 From: Mumbai, India Registered: Aug 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 02:03 AM
what is your understanding about this complex movie on siomple lessons of life?IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph Knowflake Posts: 2216 From: Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 18, 2005 12:36 PM
I think it's a low-brow, pop-culture synthesis of various, selective, consumer-friendly philosophical and religious notions (not ideas or concepts...just the ideas of the ideas) thrown together in a way that make it appear there's something deep to it when there's not with very little indepth consideration of the consequences of using these notions in this way. Then it has been spun nicely by the producers/writers/directors, media and fans to make it sound like it's some kind of ingenious, probing philosophical meditation on the human condition. Very Hollywood. Spare me. Ethically speaking it even more troubling as there seems to be this presumption that violence is an acceptable moral choice, even a moral good, if acted on something that is precieved as not real. That is it say, that supposedly violent acts and violent thoughts in themselves are morally relative and do not have an inherent moral affect on the one acting and thinking violently. I think both MLK and Ghandhi (among others) would have objected to that. I do too. In theology, we refer to the "glamour of evil" - meaning that the *wrong* choice is often more enticing to us initially than the right choice, and although often that enticement is only superficial. it does seemto have a great influence over people's choices. We have to rely on our reason, knowledge and common sense to see through this "glamour" to the real essence of a thing, and make our choices based on that essence, and not the appearence. Furthermore, counched in more philosophical term, one could say instead of "evil" that one should avoid being enticed by superficial, cheap and hollow notions that lack logical thorughness and philosophical depth. Fuzzy logic (which riddles the whole Matrix plot) never leads a person to truth - it's like a scam artist that promises something that it never intends to deliver, and instead simply gives you the run-around. Likewise, cheap notions *sounds* like deep philosophical ideas, but unless you are very critical and test these notions befor eyou buy into them, you're also getting scammed. The sad thing is, I find that many people today let themselves get scammed into cheap philosophical and religious knock-offs. IMO, if people wish to engage in philosophical and religious thought, they need to go for the real thing, and not some cheap and flashy Hollwood imitation. However, that many people seem so engaged and contented with these cheap imitations, it only leaves room to specualte about about how intellectually and spiritually impoverished our culture and society really is. IP: Logged |
Svetlana Knowflake Posts: 254 From: USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 06:49 PM
I have hard time putting into a trilogy the original "Matrix" and the 2 sequels. "Matrix" was engaging, well paced and co-ol. The other two were so in love with themselves and they went from ultimate cool to freeze brain. Sometimes I'd just watch the scene from "Matrix" where Neo comes back to life and he's out of the matrix. Give whatever meaning to it you would, but to me it is a complete spiritual awakening, Spirit over matter and mind. It's a very powerful scene for me personally.------------------ We are the ones we've been waiting for. IP: Logged |
beebuddy Knowflake Posts: 1072 From: illinois Registered: Apr 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 09:49 PM
Love sci-fi so it was fun to watch but the Hindu/Christian philosophy was cheesy.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 11943 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 09:59 PM
Yeah, I think I'm pretty much in line with the opinions here.They were a few movies is my take. The first was the best. The second was ok, and the third tanked pretty good. Not a bad film overall for Keanu Reeves. IP: Logged |
TheEvolution Knowflake Posts: 715 From: Mumbai, India Registered: Aug 2005
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posted October 18, 2005 11:50 PM
welcome, to the real world...the matrix is a mind game. frankly fellows i have only seen the 1st part! but i understood what it is all about. when we began to understand out surrondings as children our minds are made to believe in certain this by individuals around us. a pshche develops over the years about who we are and where we live. we all begin to see the world from out tinted galsses. the mind's eye sees the world though a psyche which is based on how we were program since child hood. gradually we get deeper into this matrix (ie system) where we live by seemingly great values, ideas and even brand names! what we know as the 60s or 70s is just an embeded part of the matrix which we all like to belong to. all those great souls who achieved something in ther life that made a difference were those who lived in but thought different from the design, the pre-programmed system called matrix. the only difference between the real world matrix and the movie matrix is that the former doesnot have a villian. we are the creators and we have to live by it by designing it to work for us and not us working for the system). the later dramatises it by making a vilian out of the matrix controller...agent smith. in simple words matrix is a 'thought pattern' in which generations live. a web in which we all live and to break free u have to go in stealth mode, ie... meditate and set ur self free to think independantly. to evolve. abe lincoln, gandhi, ml king, wright brothers, albert enistein, that common man who is unindulgent are examples of souls evolved from the matrix and thinking independantly. nature is a physical matrix. a good matrix. cults (from harely davidson culture to osho to astrologly to ur local pop icons fan following) are examples of pshcyological matrices. some are good some are bad. all are bad when over indulgent. don't line IN IT, live ON IT. if u want to escape the web and fly away eventually u get caught in some other sipder's web (someother matrix). be a spider instead who can choose, design and libe ON his web. not even religion can help here. simply because it is itself a matrix. a thought pattern programmed in our minds to believe in certain theory. the evolution continues... IP: Logged |
beebuddy Knowflake Posts: 1072 From: illinois Registered: Apr 2005
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posted October 19, 2005 01:41 AM
"be a spider instead who can choose, design and libe ON his web."Sounds like satanism. IP: Logged |
TheEvolution Knowflake Posts: 715 From: Mumbai, India Registered: Aug 2005
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posted October 19, 2005 05:32 AM
what! how?IP: Logged |
beebuddy Knowflake Posts: 1072 From: illinois Registered: Apr 2005
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posted October 19, 2005 01:00 PM
Satanism is all about free-will and magic.IP: Logged |
angel_of_hope Moderator Posts: 1394 From: Palmer, AK Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 19, 2005 06:35 PM
Although i havent seen this movie i have to say i love your take on this GN & Evolution. The way i see it is, that One must break free from the everyday social norms, the way society as a whole tells us, subconsiously or the like, we need to be or should be. TO break free from the Matrix and be the spider who steps up and takes his own stand, to live independantly, to make your own choices, create your own reality. Which goes back to say that the physical and material world is only and illusion while dreams are reality; and what you make of them. interesting material to spiral on ... IP: Logged |
TheEvolution Knowflake Posts: 715 From: Mumbai, India Registered: Aug 2005
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posted October 20, 2005 01:05 PM
well said angel.IP: Logged | |