posted March 25, 2006 06:27 PM         

I should have said I do not think there is a such thing as sexual love.

There is love augmented and enhanced by the sexual union.

posted March 25, 2006 06:31 PM         

We all have our persepctives on love, and I think they're all equally valid, whether they agree with mine or not.

posted March 25, 2006 06:33 PM         

And if you read my posts in Sex Magick and elsewhere you would see that I think sex is fantastic!

posted March 25, 2006 08:30 PM         

What we are talking about is sex as a transcendant experience, in which lust and desire and transcended. The love experienced in that state is absent of lust and desire...it's almost as if you're communing with the divine.

posted March 25, 2006 10:46 PM         

that was Plato....not me..who said...

physical desire and lust are held to be "in common with the animal kingdom and hence of a lower order......~PLATO~

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........of reaction and stimulus than a rationally induced love... http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm

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And I see we are both talking about Tantric and Sacred Sexual Union.
I have talked about this elsewhere.

Maybe Sue is talkng about the same thing. However based on past conversations on this matter...sorry, but I do not believe that is so here.

You seem to be.
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sex as a transcendant experience, in which lust and desire and transcended. The love experienced in that state is absent of lust and desire...it's almost as if you're communing with the divine.

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EXACTLY!!!!!! In that state even one's lover and one's self(at least this is how it is for me!) seem to merge and the physical disappears and the orgasmic ecstasies go well beyond the physical into an altered soul/mind state, and nothing exists then but pure .....
WOW! I have no words to describe this! It is beyond description!

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posted March 26, 2006 12:41 AM         

I couldn't possibly choose my favourite 'love', because it is impossible.
But I do need to merge fully with the one I love, and feel I can only truly express it physically.
Just as when you see a beautiful piece of fabric, you have to touch it to fully experience it....... I need to share my feelings physically.
That transfer of soul love, sharing movement and being one in the moment....
I don't think that is only a Scorpio trait in the least, but it is attributed to the eighth house, and scorpio.. sex as a means of transporting beyond ......... a method of expression that is primal and sacred. A way to fully express and share.

But I also love meeting with friends, and loving them in that pure joyful bursting, glad to be alive way... or experiencing moments of utter bliss with those you love platonically...
Impersonal in the sense that love of your fellow wo/man and care for humankind, treating all with respect and care, choosing to live this way, and loving yourself as well.... I love that too.

posted March 31, 2006 02:33 AM         

I agree with everybody. At this very moment I would say that I choose platonic love, only because that is the most exalted form of love I have yet to experience...but it has been a truely divine love, and when I am with the person(s) that I feel this way with I feel truely fufilled. But I have quite a desire and yearning to experience the transcendent experience of sexual union, and I am not quite sure that I could experience this with the aforementioned people. But this might be because I am still very young and time can blossom into many things...

But to conclude my thought, love truely is a splendored thing, as Fayte said, and when one can tap into that it can bring you to heights of extacy without physical stimulation. I beleive that love is the purest and most healing energy form on the planet...and cannot be otherwise. But often negative or shifting energies can be used to bring pain/confusion/obsession/despair/etc. in the name of love...but I think that love in it's purest form is not capable of bringing harm or danger...and it is always a good place to start with oneself.

Sorry, I am spiraling a bit again. I have a lot of Gemini in my chart...but I also have my moon, mars, and venus in the eighth house..and all the gemini in the seventh (mercury and jupiter and cusp) Very little scorpio here..but a lot of leo, cancer, and gemini

And if somebody happens to find fault or disagreement with my words, then just take it with a grain of salt I just wanted to participate.

posted March 31, 2006 09:07 AM         

sex is great, but only if you have the right mentality to enjoy it, if for example you are a more sensitive person like me, and casual sex with just anyone repulses you to the point of nearly vomitting then obviously it's not for you
having said that i also would like to point out that not only do i
LOVE
sex, but also sex of the higher degree, when you know you're partner and trust them so much that there are no walls between you, and having sex mixing the two of you in a perfectly harmonised dance of love and lust

of course, sex of that degree doesn't come along everyday now does it?
but it's what i wait for
also i think plutonic love and relationship love are simular it's more of a thing that with some people you can start off being plutonic friends and then move into a relationship when it's all magic and everything works, then again there's some plutonic relationships where it's more like a brother sister or sister brother (let's not be sexist here
that's my small opinion

posted March 31, 2006 09:10 AM         

"love is like friendship caught on fire, in the beginning a flame, very pretty, often hot and fierce but still only light and flickering. As love grows older our hearts mature and our love becomes as coals, deep burning and unquenchable"

posted March 31, 2006 09:20 AM         

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Wow! Yeah...in my wild youth while I was a stoner....I did alot of that "free love" stuff so popular in the 1960s and 1970s.
Once I got past all that. I discovered that while some of it was certainly fun and harmless....
It was/is not my cup of tea when in an unstoned state. That made me decades ago take a hard look at what I thought was love.
I want more that that.
When I became a "prude" as my first ex insinuated because the "free love" and swapping scenes he was into was not my thing...I divorced him.
I love sexual union. But there has to be a real connection...not just bodies going through the motions.
I have no problem if others are where I was..or a variation thereof...it's just not MY own personal "thing" anymore.
So if that makes me a prude..tough!
I love your entire post!

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posted March 31, 2006 09:07 AM
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hmmm
i'm not the most experienced with love and such matters but there are a few simple noble truths i've discovered thanks to mostly foolish adventures in my youth
sex is great, but only if you have the right mentality to enjoy it, if for example you are a more sensitive person like me, and casual sex with just anyone repulses you to the point of nearly vomitting then obviously it's not for you
having said that i also would like to point out that not only do i
LOVE
sex, but also sex of the higher degree, when you know you're partner and trust them so much that there are no walls between you, and having sex mixing the two of you in a perfectly harmonised dance of love and lust

of course, sex of that degree doesn't come along everyday now does it?
but it's what i wait for
also i think plutonic love and relationship love are simular it's more of a thing that with some people you can start off being plutonic friends and then move into a relationship when it's all magic and everything works, then again there's some plutonic relationships where it's more like a brother sister or sister brother (let's not be sexist here
that's my small opinion

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