posted May 07, 2006 06:56 PM         

......and I caught that too.....

Venusy love-vibes back atcha, my fellow Venusian -- and hey, loved that thing about Scorps and the pretty core -- my best friend of 40 years is an Eagle.....

Steve ~

Liking the new pic.....

Z

posted May 07, 2006 07:01 PM         

"Heart, I so love your signature quote. Like you I am very Leo and Scorpio influenced - and that love quote brought tears to my eyes. Aint it the truth. I just want to love and be loved. I crave so much love that I'll blow up into a million pieces! And even when I have it I want more! But I'll give treble back in return."

I know how you feel.
(And I know you know I know how you feel.)

I'm glad you got to read that quote,
which makes so much sense to you.
You (and others, somewhat like yourself)
are the reason, whenever I click that "show signature" box.

I do know how you feel,
about exploding, about wanting more.

Leos are the only ones I can't out-do in lovingness
(or should that be, "the only ones I can't out-love.")

posted May 07, 2006 07:18 PM         

Sorry, I was a little vague...

A planet is only intercepted
if the sign its in does NOT
fall on the cusp of a house.
So, if you had Cap on the 1st,
and Pisces on the 2nd,
and Moon in Aquarius,
the, both the Moon and Aquarius
would be intercepted in the 1st house.

But your Moon is Capricorn, right?
And Aqua is on the 2nd house?
So, no interception there.
but that's a good thing.
Intercepted signs compete for rulership
of the house, and have less
singlemindedness of purpose.

But, we all have contradictions.
Speaking of which,
that is a curious combo, -
Moon and Mars in the 1st.

All that cardinal...
You must be a force to reckon with.

I concur with what you wrote about Scorpios.
Glad you like (most of) us.
And that you like my posts.
Thank you for saying so, too.

"Thanks for the reply..."

You're welcome. It was fun.
Thank you, too.

posted May 07, 2006 07:24 PM         

Thank you.

Thank your Libra Sun and Pisces Moon
for me, too.

What IS your Ascendant?

be great,
HSC

posted May 07, 2006 07:32 PM         

And a very smooth face.

posted May 07, 2006 08:34 PM         

Hsc, AC goes right thru the middle of Cap and most of Aquarius is also in the first house.
About 3 degrees of Aquarius begin the second house, which contains all of Pisces. Does that mean that Aquarius is the ruler of the second house, since it is technically on "the cusp"? Mars and NN are smack in the middle of Aquarius and therefore still in the first house. The Cap moon is only 4 degrees away from the AC.
So, no interceptions? What "rules" what? What aspect carries the most weight? How do they influence each other?

If by "force to reckon with" you mean, "pain in the ***"... well... hehe
My interpretation, with Mars in Aquarius, shocking/disruptive things sometimes just fly out of my mouth like they are other directed. I have a lack of water/sensitivity too. It's taken me a long time to realize that what seems normal to me is often insensitive to others. My moon in first is about the only "water" and it usually only contributes to the problem, as I might comment on a sensitive issue to ME in an insensitive manner.
Welcoming astrological/spiritual/psychological dissection by all my favorite posters AND anyone else who would like to comment.

posted May 07, 2006 08:42 PM         

"Of COURSE I am GREAT!!!!" Leo Rising doth roar.....
Could you not tell by my mane in the pic-thread?!?!?

And I cannot resist your flattery, you silver-tongued -- you with your Moon sitting nearly on my 5h NN

And, interesting what you wrote:

quote:

---

Intercepted signs compete for rulership
of the house, and have less
singlemindedness of purpose.

---

posted May 07, 2006 08:48 PM         

quote:

---

take gentle care,

---

Much nicer/more intimate and implied than ones' standard parting, 'take good care'.

You can tell me to 'take juicy care'

posted May 07, 2006 09:21 PM         

I say,
let the eyes tell the stories.
I'm busy living them!

Mystic Melody,

I'll get back to you soon,
when I have more time.

'Zala,

I'm not surprised about that Moon/NN thing.
You do look familiar to me.
Maybe I knew you in the future.

What's your Ascendant degree?
Where are your other planet's degrees?

Should I have posted on the "pics" thread?
ME?
Don't I deserve a thread of my own?

Don't we all?

Fortune favors the bold.

take care,
Etienne de La Boetie

posted May 07, 2006 09:36 PM         

planet sign degree house motion
Sun Libra 26°42'26 03 direct
Moon Pisces 26°21'41 08 direct
Mercury Scorpio 20°37'54 03 direct
Venus Libra 02°10'32 02 direct
Mars Virgo 22°24'14 01/2 direct
Jupiter Gemini 26°25'51 10 retrograde
Saturn Libra 29°43'41 03 direct
Uranus Cancer 23°04'01 11 direct
Neptune Libra 23°44'18 03 direct
Pluto Leo 24°40'50 12 direct
True Node Capricorn 28°59'44 05 retrograde

Ascendant Leo 29°54'02
2nd House Virgo 23°48'47
3rd House Libra 22°31'00
Imum Coeli Scorpio 25°24'43
5th House Sagittarius 29°32'35
6th House Aquarius 01°28'01
Descendant Aquarius 29°54'02
8th House Pisces 23°48'47
9th House Aries 22°31'00
Medium Coeli Taurus 25°24'43
11th House Gemini 29°32'35
12th House Leo 01°28'01

posted May 08, 2006 12:38 AM         

I forgot to tell you,
that waving smilie is my new best friend!!

"votre"?

Etienne de La Boetie (b. Nov. 1st, 1530)
was the best friend of 16th century
philosopher/essayist, Michel de Montaigne.
The latter wrote an incredible essay
about the former, after his death.
He said he was a man the likes of which
had not been seen since the Golden Age of antiquity.
Boetie wrote one surviving work,
"The Politics of Obedience:
A Discourse on Voluntary Servitude"

Jupiter's been conjuncting my Sun
the past few days, hence, the good moods,
the strong ego energies, and the,
perhaps over-exapansive, queries.
There's been other things going on,
and, if not for this influence,
I would definitely be in the dumps.

Still,
it's been harder to listen to people,
and to stop myself from "holding forth".

Saturn is starting to look alright.

take care, 'Zala,

posted May 08, 2006 01:32 AM         

He did not specify.
He only said "love".

He did refer to Christ,
who said:

"Love God,
AND Love thy neighbor as thyself.
These two are the sum of the law
and all the prophets."

I think,
Love is love is love is love.

Divine Love must descend from Perfect Spirit,
into Form, before it can ascend back to Perfect Spirit.

All that is great begins in the small.
A flower stems only from a seed.
A flame is nothing without a spark.

If we do not know of earthy things,
how are we going to understand the heavenly?
If we cannot love a person,
or be warmed by the love of a person,
how are we going to love the invisible,
and be warmed by what is far from us?

We are Christ for each other.

"What you do for the least of me,
you do it for me."

posted May 08, 2006 02:02 AM         

"Do you think your (fixed) Aqua/Leo interceptions don't express as strongly as they could??"

It's difficult to say.
This is the worst metaphor you've ever heard,
but,
I think astrology is like a cross between
advanced physics and astral projection.
A TRULY competent astrologer is one who would combine
the respective talents of Neils Bohr and Rudolph Steiner.

I'm being evasive.
But, to attempt to answer your question,
the signs are strengthed by house placement,
by the planets tenanted therein,
and by the strong position of their planetary rulers (Sun and Uranus).
So, its hard to say.

"I think the fact that you have planets (Moon, Jupiter), asteroids (Lilith, Pandora) and points (Vertex) in those intercepted signs mitigates your lack of "singlemindedness of purpose" (or perhaps that's just me practicing my Libran debate-skills)"

My East Point is also in Aquarius.
And Moon is closely conjunct Juno there.
Sombody told me once about an asteroid that
ruled eccentricity,
and it turned out to be conjunct my moon in Aquarius.

Yeah, the signs on the cusps are strong, too, though.
No planets in them, but their rulers are strong.
I think Saturn is technically the closest aspect to my Sun;
a sextile, from the eighth house,
which is ruled by my Sun Sign.
The Moon is obviously strong in the 1st.

They say that Intercepted Signs express
more of themselves over time.
It takes longer to integrate them
into the personality, or something.
This would prove accurate in my own experience.

"I have Capricorn/Cancer intercepted in V/XI, and I have planets/asteroids/points located therein, so I'm wondering about the "competing for rulership" thang....."

I wouldnt worry too much.
With firey Sag on the cusp of the 5th,
the Saturn would probably be overwhelmed,
and act more positively, as a stabilizing influence.
Cancer in the XI suggests more nurturing friendships later in life,
and not as eratic or short-lived
as the mutable gem relationships.
The planets in those signs have yet to
express their full potential.
This could be said of any planet, yes,
but these more than most.

{{ hugs }} Z

{{hugs}} S

posted May 08, 2006 04:19 AM         

"About 3 degrees of Aquarius begin the second house, which contains all of Pisces. Does that mean that Aquarius is the ruler of the second house, since it is technically on "the cusp"?"

Yes.

"Mars and NN are smack in the middle of Aquarius and therefore still in the first house."

Good to have Mars there, with the NN.
The North Node wants you to develop the ego (1st house).
And, with Mars there, you are well on your way.

>The Cap moon is only 4 degrees away from the AC.

That's a very sensitive and emotional aspect.

>So, no interceptions?

Nope.

>What "rules" what?
http://www.djay.com/astrol/ztable1.html

In order to understand the affairs of a house,
you would look first for the sign on the cusp,
then for any planets in the house,
and then for the sign and house placement
of the planets
that have natural rulership of the sign on the cusp.
Their condition will determine the affairs of the house.

>What aspect carries the most weight?

Conjunctions

Or, Squares and Oppositions, if they are closer.

>How do they influence each other?

According to their respective natures and positions in the chart.

>If by "force to reckon with" you mean, "pain in the ***"... well... hehe

No, I didn't mean that.
I suppose, it could go either way, though.
I hope you are a force for good.
And, anyway, some people need a good "pain" in the ***
from time to time, whether or not they admit it.

>My interpretation, with Mars in Aquarius, shocking/disruptive things sometimes just fly out of my mouth like they are other directed.

Interesting.

>I have a lack of water/sensitivity too. It's taken me a long time to realize that what seems normal to me is often insensitive to others. My moon in first is about the only "water" and it usually only contributes to the problem, as I might comment on a sensitive issue to ME in an insensitive manner.

Oh, that's not good.
You dont want to be insensitive to yourself.

On the other hand,
Your awareness of these things is excellent.
Life will teach you how to balance them.

Some people act insensitively, and they do not care.
The fact that you care so much
just goes to show that you are not truly insensitive,
although you may tend to give that impression at times.

posted May 08, 2006 12:23 PM         

Love is love in the sense that all forms of love are of God. God is love. If that were not true we would not have the capacity for love. However there are many forms of love. I.E. I love my children but not in the same way that I love my husband.

I do feel that due to his mention of Christ in the quote and because I have read many of his writings that Chief Dan George was speaking of the highest form of love, agape.

posted May 08, 2006 01:15 PM         

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

You said:

"Love cannot be a transforming experience in a marriage relationship however if we can't be faithful to one partner. It IS totally possible to love more than one person at the same time, but not in the same way. Not if that love is going to be allowed to become a transforming love."

To me, what distinguishes Agape from other forms of love,
is that it is absolutely boundless, and INclusive.
To the extent that our love excludes anyone,
it loses the power to heal us,
for we are healed only when love
dissolves and overflows the walls which we have erected
for the purposes of directing and containing it.

But, you seem to be saying that,
a healing romantic love is one which
excludes all but the two people "in love".
I think, if that relationship does not act
as a nucleus,
transcending the bounds of personality,
and generating and radiating love
to all who are beyond its limited circumference,
then something is rotten in the state of marital bliss.

Loving an individual,
we are allowed to glimpse God,
and God's love,
in the individual.
It trains us to look for,
and to see God in other individuals, as well.
If it does not do this,
it is not real love,
but some comfortable form of
mutual emotional dependency,
entirely effected by selfish motives.

If it needs to be "protected" by exclusivity,
it is not love, but something else.
Love seeks not its own.
Love always seeks the lowest point, -
the root, whereby ALL things are nurished.
It is not greedy for the life of the leaf,
or for the dew that gathers upon the leaf,
and, so, it is not squandered,
and the life-blood it has received is not spilt,
when the leaf drops away;
as leaves always do.

posted May 08, 2006 04:55 PM         

Ah ha! Saturn in Gemini Retrograde. There's the Gemini. I often wondered, but didn't understand. How does the retrograde affect that?

>"I have a lack of water/sensitivity too. It's taken me a long time to realize that what seems normal to me is often insensitive to others. My moon in first is about the only "water" and it usually only contributes to the problem, as I might comment on a sensitive issue to ME in an insensitive manner." <---I said

You said:
"Oh, that's not good.
You dont want to be insensitive to yourself."

Hehehe, that's not what I meant. hehhehe So, not only do I have Mars in Aquarius "tourettes" but I also talk to myself, and rudely at that... hehehhehhe Nooooooo, what I meant was, for example, in the thread about breastfeeding mother who was ordered to stop by court etc, I might feel very strongly about the subject and become briefly insensitive to others because my passionate feelings for the subject override my usual awareness of how to delicately and sensitively phrase myself to not offend others.
I don't think that this is unusual, and I'm sure many people experience the same thing, but I seem to have more problems with people misunderstanding my motives from the beginning, because of my airy detachment and the closed off tower of strength Capricorn emotions thing I have going on.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain things so thoroughly and concisely, it was easy to understand and well written as usual.
Yeah, my sensitivity is a little mystery wrapped in an enigma. I joke that I'm tough as nails but cry with happiness when someone wins a car on the Price Is Right.

I'm enjoying the HSC/Mirandee debate and I would like to point out that you both seem to be on the same page. Nothing should ever be forced; and at some point two people who know each other very well, (who have a strong basis of friendship and a great understanding of each other) might choose to do the work of attempting to unite their love to create a stronger force for healing those around them. This needs to be with the understanding that they are both still humans, who feel jealousy etc from time to time, and in a conscious agreement to protect their union from as much toxicity as possible, would make an agreement to focus on each other. This doesn't mean cutting each other off from blending and sharing with others, but when you "unite" with someone, what you "add" to yourself is also added to them, which means that who and how each of you "blend" with others should be discussed and agreed upon before you jump into the union.
Ideally, people grow in love as individuals, then when over-flowing, grow in love with a mate, and when this love is strong and overflowing, expand their love to a child. The love is also expanded to the extended family and slowly extended to the spheres of influence around their family unit. This subject is touched on in psychology, human growth and development, sociology, marriage and family councelling etc. Some nice theories that have metaphysical undertones. I was surprised.
My point on this subject is that I don't think many people are ready for this which is why marriage/family etc is in the state it is in now. And our society doesn't support this model.
But we make do and keep trying.
Mirandee, if you found someone who understands and strives toward such a union, you are very blessed and I wish you both the strength to endure.

posted May 08, 2006 05:08 PM         

Y'all have a glorious way with words -- thanks for giving the gift of your thoughts to all of us.....