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Topic: LADIES- WHY DO WE WEAR HEELS?
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D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 1325 From: Registered: May 2006
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posted August 10, 2006 01:07 PM
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Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 6485 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted August 10, 2006 01:18 PM
D for D ~Just a note about splitting your posts at the bottom of page 2 -- you had quite a few LL emoticons. Only 5 are allowed per post..... Z IP: Logged |
salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 10, 2006 05:23 PM
hi there DforDefiant ~expressing oneself well, in an articulate way, does not preclude grammatical, spelling and typing mistakes. this is just a forum where people communicate, in imperfect language, just as in real life; it's not an essay contest. and though i'm pleased that you were flattered, it wasn't my intention to be flattering. i was just stating an opinion; i'm pleased also that you feel the inclination to express your disagreement so articulately. as for the attitudes, or emotions, that you've projected onto me, such as bitterness, disgust and offendedness, well my, you're more than free to imagine to your heart's desire all the different types of emotions that you were able to elicit from me that you'd like. if you'd care to know, not that you mentioned it, so it appears that you do not, but i'll state for my own entertainment at any rate....my emotional state at your slapping my hand, and the threat of the webmaster deleting the "woman with naked breasts" image, was more amusing to me than anything else. that you felt the need to reprimand me about it made it appear that you were offended by the image...although i did not assume that you were offended, by framing my apology with an 'if'. you assumed also that my apology was insincere....sorry that you feel this way as well. perhaps you will find insincerity in this apology also, and given that, i apologize for that too. and thank you for supplying me with all the information regarding the hatred of your mother. i simply contended that if you were very concerned about the content of this site being family oriented, that you might wish to review the nature of your language and sentiments, which in my view, are not family oriented in the least. i certainly am not, nor was i, OFFENDED (the all caps are your emphasis), or disgusted, by the subject matter that you choose to discuss. had i been so, i most probably would have mentioned it to you in the appropriate thread. there is nothing in my statements to you about my being offended/disgusted/etc.-- you formed these opinions of my mental dispostion all on your own. it's unnecessary, i think, to concern yourself so excessively with the state of my emotions. we all have reactions to each other's words here...it's the nature of communication on a public message board. i hope, more than anything, that you will enjoy with greater ease the intricate dance that such communication engenders. love, salome
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D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 1325 From: Registered: May 2006
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posted August 11, 2006 11:20 AM
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salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 12:10 PM
dear DforDefiant ~you seem very angry about things that challenge your notions. this is just a public forum where people come to voice their thoughts and share and learn. please try not to let it get you so distraught. p.s. the way to italicize a word or phrase is to place "[i]" before the words to be italicized, and "[/i ]" after the words to be italicized -- i put a space after the "i" for the purpose of illustration, otherwise it would have italicized the words in between. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 6485 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted August 11, 2006 01:35 PM
quote: Z- Sorry, I don't understand what you meant. Please clarify, thanks.
Do you mean this? quote: D for D ~ Just a note about splitting your posts at the bottom of page 2 -- you had quite a few LL emoticons. Only 5 are allowed per post..... Z
I meant that you used the limit of smileys/emoticons – these things: – I believe you can only insert 5 in one post. Your post won’t post if you use too many – you’ll get the dreaded blank white screen (at least that’s what I get)….. Z IP: Logged |
hot_ice Knowflake Posts: 1012 From: Registered: Oct 2004
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posted August 11, 2006 02:10 PM
:P :x It's working..... IP: Logged |
salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 02:30 PM
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fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 02:47 PM
Quoting DfD and replying. QUOTE: I wanted to make sure that people would not misidentify me as anything but a woman. A woman who's sexually attracted to men (mainly- if speaking in strict, technical terms) and NOT a lesbian LOL >>>>I get misidentified often. If my boobs are hidden and my hair up...fat or thin, I get mistaken for a guy. Hair down, boobs showing I get mistaken for a lesbian(too muscular for most folks idea of a woman). Put on makeup and jazz myself up girly and I look more like a drag queen or a woman on the make, more than a real woman with a brain. Straight guys talk to my boobs and not me.. Being very broad shouldered confuses folks too. When thin, I have no hips. Only boys or young men's pants fit. Even thin, women's blouses do not fit across the back. So heels for me just look ridiculous! QUOTE: My appearence is by no means masculine. My body is not "strongly-built" and I have to tell you this- I am proud of my body, and my figure. It looks and feels just right- my bosom, my waist line, and my hips. I have the curves which are supposed to be there; >>>Lucky you! A defined gender role/identity, you do not have to work at. Some folks are not lucky enough to look like either a guy or girl for sure. MY life would be simpler if folks were not so damn hung up on what it means to look like and be a guy or girl. I do not fit perfectly into either gender niche. QUOTE: It would be very interesting to discuss the definition(s) of FEMININITY. >>>>And masculinity and androgyne too. QUOTE: Do you prefer a woman with a "bigger/cuter" butt, longer/sexier legs, "sexy" feet with heels on but mutilated feet with heels off, and probably nothing else, or not much else, or- a woman with a brain, a good mind, a loving soul? >>>>Thank God I get accepted no matter how I look by my RL friends. And since most of my guy friends are gay, proportionately big bottoms are not sexy to them. The only time being "male built" hip wise caused me trouble was during childbirth. One of the greatest compliments I can get is "I love your mind". This my beloved and friends have said to me many times. I would not trade having perfect looks for that ever! QUOTE: I look forward to your answers. I wonder what in a woman is more important to you. >>>Not her looks or body. Same for a guy. Honesty, true caring, openness, acceptance, tolerance, and being able to think for themselves. Wisdom and intelligence. And that does not mean they have to be a genius. Folks are way to hung up on what it means to be a real man or a real woman. Society reinforces these gender differences. The ONLY time it matters in my opinion is for procreation. At one time men could wear lace and makeup. Now women are permitted to dress in mannish garb, but guys cannot dress lavishly anymore. One more thing. Shaving! That is one of fashion's and society's biggest oddity to me! Women are looked as freakish or lesbian if they do not pluck eyebrows and shave their legs and armpits. And this crazness extends into the gay community too! Gay guys often want shaved chests and backs, not hairy dudes. Often beards and mustaches are frowned on. Of course there are exceptions, but more and more the trend is towards smooth hairless bodies, just like the ladies. Is it a practice to differintiate ourselves farther from the ape? What is it with shaving to extremes? Not having facial hair I can understand, but the rest, for men or women. Why? Of course one exception is the body building world. Hairlessness allows for better viewing of the muscle definition during competitions. What a crazy world.
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salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 03:00 PM
hi Fayte ~ nice perspective. gay people seem to get shortchanged on gender/sexual preference as well. for example, not all gay men have an effiminate appearance, and not all gay women have a masculine appearance. having a culturally accepted feminine or masculine appearance does not define a person's sexual oriention. i daresay that lots of gay men are attracted to masculine looking men, and lots of gay women are attracted to feminine looking women. and that the number of feminine looking women and masculine looking men who are gay is abundant indeed. either way, i think, these days esp, that one's appearance is not an accurate guage of sexual preference. IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 04:01 PM
salome Bless you! So many confused folks out there taking drastic measures to be a total man or woman as society dictates. Then the extremes too, when the only way some folks can try to fit in is to have sexual reasignment surgery. Why can't folks just be accepted as they are? Why the labels with all the foo fa rah attached? Children are not concerned with these things until taught or exposed to what society thinks they should act like. Many a girl has played with so called boy toys. Many a boy with so called girl toys. If society did not tell them that was wrong, then perhaps there would be less screwed up folks around. Same goes for sports and the workplace. There are big strong women and little petite men. Being not sterotypically representative of their genders they often, even these days, get ridiculed, or labled as less than a real man or woman. ------------------ Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind! ~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 1325 From: Registered: May 2006
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posted August 11, 2006 11:03 PM
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D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 1325 From: Registered: May 2006
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posted August 11, 2006 11:09 PM
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fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 11:24 PM
D for Defiant! Thank you! Heels are pretty and sexy, but not practical So are corsets on folks,(I say folks, ladies or some men, because of Tim Curry in Rocky Horror and some historical male wear) and super tight pants on guys are sexy to me...like Flatley in Riverdance! Or David Bowie in makeup and tight pants in "Labyrinth". But that which looks really sexy or pretty is rarely practical.
There is a time and place for "show" and a time and place for "practical". When it comes to fashion use your head! See through blouses are sexy! But not proper in the office workplace. Lumberjack wear is comfortable but not proper for a formal event. And so forth! If one feels they "need" to sacrifice their health for fashion, I feel they need to look at why they are giving into fashion too much, despite ongoing pain or discomfort. ------------------ Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind! ~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 11, 2006 11:54 PM
quote: Why can't folks just be accepted as they are? Why the labels with all the foo fa rah attached? Children are not concerned with these things until taught or exposed to what society thinks they should act like. Many a girl has played with so called boy toys. Many a boy with so called girl toys. If society did not tell them that was wrong, then perhaps there would be less screwed up folks around.
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salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 12, 2006 12:19 AM
dear DforDefiant ~this is an interesting thread! you have presented a lot of ideas for thought, and i have enjoyed considering them. please don't allow yourself to be so provoked...i think that's under your area of control, not mine. i wish you well with your studies; you seem very studious and ambitious. quote: I think here at LL we share and learn from one another, but I disagree with the notion that one is superior then another...
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fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 12, 2006 12:37 AM
------------------ Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind! ~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
salome Knowflake Posts: 1521 From: Registered: Nov 2005
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posted August 12, 2006 01:30 AM
------------------ How many years can a mountain exist Before it's washed to the sea? Yes, 'n how many years can some people exist Before theyre allowed to be free? Yes, 'n how many times can a man turn his head, Pretending he just doesnt see? The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind, The answer is blowin in the wind. Bob Dylan IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 12, 2006 01:39 AM
------------------ Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind! ~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
D for Defiant Knowflake Posts: 1325 From: Registered: May 2006
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posted September 05, 2006 04:51 AM
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