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Mirandee
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posted September 15, 2006 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message

No judgment

Everything in life holds both a blessing and a curse. We deny this when we label the events of our lives as either good or bad. The following old Zen story illustrates this lesson most effectively.

A farmer had a horse but one day, the horse ran away and so the farmer and his son had to plow their fields themselves. Their neighbors said, "Oh, what bad luck that your horse ran away!" But the farmer replied, "Bad luck, good luck, who knows?"

The next week, the horse returned to the farm, bringing a herd of wild horses with him. "What wonderful luck!" cried the neighbors, but the farmer responded, "Good luck, bad luck, who knows?"

Then, the farmer's son was thrown as he tried to ride one of the wild horses, and he broke his leg. "Ah, such bad luck," sympathized the neighbors. Once again, the farmer responded, "Bad luck, good luck, who knows?"

A short time later, the ruler of the country recruited all young men to join his army for battle. The son, with his broken leg, was left at home. "What good luck that your son was not forced into battle!" celebrated the neighbors. And the farmer remarked, "Good luck, bad luck, who knows?"

"Do not judge, and you will never be mistaken."

-- Jean Jacques Rousseau



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Rainbow~
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posted September 15, 2006 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rainbow~     Edit/Delete Message
Tee hee.....

Mirandee.....I'm back at GU....

"Good luck - bad luck....who knows?"

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WaterNymph
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posted September 15, 2006 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WaterNymph     Edit/Delete Message
I like

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geminstone
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posted September 15, 2006 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
Nice.
Thanks Mirandee

~ geminstone

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Mirandee
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posted September 15, 2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I wish you good luck anyway, Rainbow.

Couldn't hurt

Your welcome, geminstone. Glad you liked it and you too, WN

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D for Defiant
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posted September 16, 2006 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
As ethnic-Chinese being brought up in a country colonized by Chinese, I have heard this story I don't even know how many times. The Chinese Taoists do not impress me. This story is just one of those cliches.

Refraining from making judgments, then right from here you can essentially stop thinking. The reality is you will always judge, and you will always have to make your own judgments, and you will always have to choose what you personally believe to be "right" or "wrong"- as long as you're alive. Unless you one day decides to practice abstinence from all earthly matters.

Then the world will lose the order totally- no one is there to be a politician, no one is there to be a scientist; no one is there to be a journalist...everybody goes oblivious, confused, and dead. Fortunately not everyone is going to be like that.

I am ethnic-Chinese, but I think Chinese Taoism is BS, so is Confuscious.

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Mirandee
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posted September 16, 2006 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I think that you are correct in what you say about making judgments, DFD. We could not survive without making judgments.

I think this is more regarding labeling the events of your life as good or bad. And I don't think it is human not to label things as good or bad. These types of sayings I feel are just food for thought, something to keep in mind and maybe even strive to attain if at all possible. Not really sure this one is possible though as you say.

There is a point in this story though and that is that very often in our lives what we feel at the time something bad happens to us is bad luck it often turns out to be down the road a sort of blessing in disguise. Or at least a lesson learned. I think that is the point of the story. Not so much that we shouldn't judge the events in our lives. We always will. Maybe the title of the message is misleading in that sense.

I have often found in my life that what I feel at the time is horrible I later discover that it taught me the greatest lesson that I could not have known otherwise. I think that is why there are paradoxes in our world. There could be no good without there also being bad. The bad things do help us to appreciate more the good things that happen in our lives.

Not that I believe that all things that happen to us either good or bad are to teach us a lesson. Sometimes things just happen.


Personally I know nothing of Taoism. It has not been one of my studies so I can't really judge rather or not it is BS myself. Not without knowing more about it.


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted September 16, 2006 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Well said, Mirandee.

I would suggest that
reserving judgment
is also a judgment call.

I think the moral of the story
is that the judgment to reserve judgment
is often, if not always,
the wisest judgment of all.

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Mirandee
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posted September 16, 2006 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I think you are very correct, HSC. To reserve from making a judgment call is also making a judgment.

And I think in many cases it is the wisest judgment of all.

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D for Defiant
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posted September 18, 2006 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Well-said, Mirandee and HSC-

Some of the things you two have said had been what I wanted to add.

Indeed, reserving making judgment is also a judgment. I'm glad you both agreed on that.

When you consider making no judgment is a better option, you're already making your own judgment as "making no judgment is better/good/right etc...". As for nothing is right or wrong- when you express your belief in that, you're already demonstrating what yourself consider to be "right", or the opposite to be "wrong".

Or stop thinking and stop making decisions.

Just my two cents.

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D for Defiant
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posted September 20, 2006 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Since reserving making judgment upon a certain thing is also a judgment, on which has been unanimously agreed, it is impossible not a judge; it is impossible not to make judgment. There is no such thing whatsoever as "no judgment". There are always judgment to make. When many of us talk about things like "No judgment", "Don't judge", "There's no such things as right and wrong", "God is everything", etc, etc, etc- we are already making our own judgment.

There is no such thing as "no judgment", unless you're dead, or you have stopped thinking altogether.

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geminstone
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posted September 20, 2006 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminstone     Edit/Delete Message
I think that it is really about only judging you and your own experiences. I believe this is possible, even as it appears that you would be passing judgement just in the comparison of any other's lives to your own. It is possible to judge only yours though. That's my own opinion though.
I do see judgements as only mine when reserved for me, soley by me. The rest are other's opinions and only by choice are they taken in or, left as just that.

~ geminstone

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D for Defiant
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posted November 26, 2006 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
I think I should apologize for devaluing Taoism. I apologize for calling Taoism something that does not deserve respect or further explorations. I don't think I should say that before I get to completely understand what Taoism is.

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