posted December 14, 2006 08:04 PM         

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I can't change someone being envious or jealous of my person, my ability to love, and my spiritual position.

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posted December 15, 2006 03:15 PM         

And, i'd just like to gently add, you still didn't prove that its not envy, well at any rate, i'm not concerning myself with it, because as humans we have to learn productive ways to shed light on the dark sides of our nature and personalities and use that as a tool of spiritual growth and awareness.

posted December 15, 2006 07:48 PM         

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it wasn't honest, because obviously it proves that you aren't aware of the work I do

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Do I live with you Neptune? Because honesty and truth can only be based on *fact*. I said 'honest opinion' which means an opinion that I personaly believe to be true. I did not say 'true opinion'.. there is no such thing as a true or false opinion. If an opinion was true and accurate it would no longer be an opinion. It would be a fact.

For example..
If I lived with you and saw you have a pair of pink socks and then told a guest that you only had blue socks. That would be a *lie*.

On the other hand, if someone on here had asked me yesterday, “do you think Neptune is a humanitarian”. I’d say “Nope, based on the posts I have seen so far, I believe she is not”. This is called an *opinion*.

Therefore what I said was definitely not honest and it was also definitely not a lie. It was definitely not truth and it was definitely not fiction.

It was my opinion based on what I have seen from you on these forums.. and up until I see as many threads started by you regarding the lives of the people you are helping in the national care organisation, as I have seen about famous men you want to marry (rejoicing in the fact that you’ve managed to find some you have “good” astro compatibility with) it will continue to be my opinion.

I’m sorry but I find this extremely shallow, together with all of your fashion threads. A humanitarian does not sit around discussing what designer clothes and brands of perfumes she likes best, when there are people in Africa who don’t even HAVE food to eat and have probably never seen a perfume. If I were to be such a self-proclaimed humanitarian I’d honest to God feel guilty to concentrate to *that* extent on those things.

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I accept and promote honesty because it sets human life free from the lies that they subconciously tends to barricade themselves with.

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And then you insert these sentences that have absolutely no connection to the conversation, and for what purpose? Are you under the impression you are running for elections?

That would be like me saying above.. ‘it will continue to be my opinion….. AND…..
I both value and encourage the innate human ability to think and have personal opinions which they can express in a free and democratic world, because it is only through personal opinion and argument that great minds can come to a deeper version of truth, pure and untarnished by the polluted hands of the prodigal lie.
I stand for justice, truth and honesty. My name is Lauren, Vote for me!

I mean honestly, give me a break..

Just to reiterate my point, it doesn’t seem to have registered.

posted December 15, 2006 08:38 PM         

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Ego and pride will take you nowhere. There is this little thing called modesty, that seems to have eluded you completely, but I hope it is a trait you acquire with age.

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Lauren, I understand completely that it is your opinion, and i see that you've clarified that, but your mistaking my defensiveness for being egotistical.

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It was my opinion based on what I have seen from you on these forums.. and up until I see as many threads started by you regarding the lives of the people you are helping in the national care organisation, as I have seen about famous men you want to marry (rejoicing in the fact that you’ve managed to find some you have “good” astro compatibility with) it will continue to be my opinion.

I’m sorry but I find this extremely shallow, together with all of your fashion threads. A humanitarian does not sit around discussing what designer clothes and brands of perfumes she likes best, when there are people in Africa who don’t even HAVE food to eat and have probably never seen a perfume. If I were to be such a self-proclaimed humanitarian I’d honest to God feel guilty to concentrate to *that* extent on those things.

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I don't know if this part is just my opinion, but this seems to not really make sense. When I posted synastries and composites i stated that they were simply synastries, no strings attached, which means i would have never even conjured the term up "marry". And if you've read any of my other posts on Astrology forum, i stated many times that I will never marry, i'm married to promoting, ensuring, and improving the quality of humanity. my 6th(work) cusp Aquarius(humanity/humanitarian) with Uranus trine AC, clicks together for that purpose. And also, let me extend on what you've previously said. Oh, Lauren, I really do love your passion , and I wish that people day to day could speak and learn from intellectuals such as yourself. But, of what I know, no one is perfect, everything that is real and can be learned from and valued from heaven and below has imperfections, from that is where we (as humans) gain our most valuable experiences from, the imperfections of life itself. And in this world, no one can be perfect anything. And i'm sure people of all religions and fields of employment have various interests and beliefs that subsequently may not be related or may contradict their faith or their purpose in life. But its all apart of learning from your mistakes, growth, and being productive. Fashion is one of my interests, and you learn a lot from being involved and having knowledge of something that isn't associated with "humanitarian work". What you learn is essential for the innate passion of being an humanitarian. What you learn has to do with the exact reasons, facts and circumstances that keep the natives of such a spiritually and historically wealthy continent as Africa, in extreme poverty. When you are involved in contradicting or unrelated activities and interests you understand the sources of actual human exploitation for the wealth of oneself that keeps a native in extreme positions, usually low. I guess you can say in a way its like "imperialism". But besides that, your understanding and knowledge not just of their situation, but what keeps them their is of the utmost importance for genuine passionate work. And theres nothing like someone who is passionate about what they do, because when they are, their successful no matter what amount of money they make. Passion on the job is priceless. I just love people who are passionate about what they do and who they are, they're the best people in the world, and they make the best friends too! And another thing, doing humanitarian work, does not make you an humanitarian. Just like having a baby does not make you a real mother. And also I stand for justice, truth, honesty, & humanity, i guess its only natural due to the stellium in sagittarius in the IC(Cancer House). Wait, i don't understand this, if I stood for all those things and i'm writing here explaining it to you, how do you end up standing for the same thing if were bickering about it?? Well nevermind that, you get my point.

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I both value and encourage the innate human ability to think and have personal opinions which they can express in a free and democratic world, because it is only through personal opinion and argument that great minds can come to a deeper version of truth, pure and untarnished by the polluted hands of the prodigal lie.

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This is scary, it sounds like a different version of something i've said on Global Unity before. And I love what you've said Lauren, and you get my vote completely, but I notice that your trying to verbally hype it up like something I would naturally say. And also you may be trying to sound all "jazzed up" but, let me give you a hint, (just between you and me ) it only works if your stating something about humanity that doesn't pertain to your "in the moment" situation. Then you become really selfless. But no body can do it like me, no its not ego, its just my 3rdH Libra cusp with Pluto in 3rd conjunct Amor(unconditional love), Pluto is also my guiding planet, and I have Moon Trine Pluto, and Pluto Trine Chiron, so my words are especially healing. But I do want to continue speaking with you, what consists of your 3rd and 6th houses? (cusps, planets, aspects, etc)?

(your conversation is very exhilirating)

posted December 15, 2006 10:34 PM         

your post is an accusation, even if you think a disclaimer makes it not.

I made my post about Lauren simply because she made a cohesive, well thought response to your assorted emotional outbursts.

And, because your rants are funny.

I happen to agree with just about every word of Lauren's posts.

Your various posts lead me see you as a shallow, self obsessed vain child. Typical of teenagers, I guess- yet there are numerous posters on LL whom are younger than you but write with a depth of understanding that stuns me.
You have come across as cruel and belittling to numerous posters, especially when they don't agree with you or don't give you the answer you want (ie- please tell me my chart says I will be some rich guy's mistress!). How about that unprovoked attack on Salisa?

Sorry, yeah, I am not going to be all sweetness and butterflies to you.

You can spout all you want about how you so care for humanity, and your compassion knows no bounds... blah blah blah. Sure, and I could be a rocket scientist with a Nobel Peace Prize- doesn't make it so! Its the internet, and you look like a little girl playing dress up- because I see no consistency in anything you say.

Perhaps this is just a growing, learning stage for you. That's great. But a little humility may serve you well. And before you go off pouting that you are going to leave the forum (whhhaaaa nobody likes me!! everyone needs to tell me how great I am!) keep in mind I never said you should leave.
Every topic you post cracks me up- its like an interactive People magazine....

posted December 16, 2006 12:29 AM         

please forgive my absence regarding the doreen virtue section of this thread. i will post the relevant material here, and will ask Randall for your email lovely.

love 'n light 'n beauty,
naiad

posted December 16, 2006 08:52 AM         

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Every topic you post cracks me up- its like an interactive People magazine....

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LOL...

posted December 17, 2006 02:26 AM         

Please stop blaming your chart. Its lame.
Its also really lame to troll for people on other threads to come "defend" you.

posted December 17, 2006 05:05 AM         

So was I hundreds of years ago LOL....well 30 anyway.

I was a different person then....

Go easy on her hey.....she needs guidance like we all do, but come on guys she isnt an adult yet....

Maybe not so harsh hey? I found it a very challenging age...and yes I can remember

posted December 17, 2006 05:41 AM         

I wonder what this would make me? Minister of online misguided teenage affairs or something lol

Neptune, you contradict yourself quite a bit in the last paragraph. In one sentence, you are saying that through fashion you come to “understand the sources of human exploitation for the wealth of oneself that keeps a native in extreme positions, usually low”.. so firstly you are admitting that for our personal wealth (western people) other underprivileged people are exploited. Then you go on to say that one of the very things we gain from their exploitation is a hobby of yours and that by being a hobby it somehow helps you be a better humanitarian.

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What you learn (-- through fashion, I assume --) is essential for the innate passion of being an humanitarian. What you learn (-- through fashion again, I assume --) has to do with the exact reasons, facts and circumstances that keep the natives of such a spiritually and historically wealthy continent as Africa, in extreme poverty. When you are involved in contradicting or unrelated activities and interests (-- such as humanitarianism and fashion --) you understand the sources of actual human exploitation for the wealth of oneself (-- such as western you --) that keeps a native in extreme positions, usually low (-- such as poverty --).[quote]

[quote] Your understanding and knowledge not just of their situation (-- poverty again --), but what keeps them their (-- fashion? --) is of the utmost importance for genuine passionate work [b](-- humanitarianism --)

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What you just said would be like stating “I know that buying an apple and eating it in front of a starving beggar is wrong, but I will go ahead and buy the apple so that I gain a better understanding of why I should help beggars”.. which is pretty nonsensical.

Anyways, apart from this I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you and be worried about you. There’s something not quite right there. This whole act you’re putting on and the language is a bit too much.

You said this a while ago..

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This is one big reason of several humanity can't achieve, because they haven't learned to accept themselves. And this is what astrology gives us, its a tool of "Self-Acceptance"

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But no body can do it like me, no its not ego, its just my 3rdH Libra cusp with Pluto in 3rd conjunct Amor(unconditional love), Pluto is also my guiding planet, and I have Moon Trine Pluto, and Pluto Trine Chiron, so my words are especially healing.

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Neptune, if you believe your words are healing. If that is something you’ve always known and something others have told you that’s great. But if you opened up an astrology book in search of something to like about yourself and read that.. and then decided this is a trait you have, it won’t help.
So maybe you don’t.. Maybe you don’t have healing words at all.. what if you didn’t? Maybe you actually have healing hands.. or a great singing voice.. who knows? The point is, don’t rely on your chart to tell you who you are. That is extremely limiting. It limits all of your possibilities for emotional/spiritual and psychological growth as a human being to only that which you have in your chart.. to all the traits/qualities but also shortcomings present in those aspects. Remember those aspects are interpreted by people/ humans just like you and I.. There are so many different ways an aspect can play out and if you choose to, it doesn’t even have to play out at all.

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I seriously wish I was not born with 6 squares to my Moon, then maybe I would be normal *sighs* and not have outbursts, huh?

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Do you see what I mean? You are limiting yourself. Nothing in this world can make or brake you. It is up to you to be the person you want to be. The chart you were born with isn’t a frigging jail that you can’t escape. You are perfectly normal. The only abnormal thing about you is your desire to be abnormal.

posted December 17, 2006 05:47 AM         

SueG, I know what you mean. I just ended up saying a lot more than I intended.

posted December 17, 2006 06:05 AM         

Our son is very "verbal".... he cant WAIT for anythng. I said to him this morning "the world doesnt revolve around you or you alone. You are a very special person, but you have to consider others"... I think when he is a teen, he will be quite cocky LOL....

Reading all yer posts is such good learning for me...thanks....but I do tend to cringle a little at times...

Maybe I am wrong, but I find things here, at times, a little "harsh"

Thanks Lauren.....

posted December 17, 2006 07:22 AM         

While your son may show certain teenage arrogance at times (as well as my daughter) I can not EVER imagine him getting even close to such angry and desperate need to prove his importance. Of course, I don't know him but he is YOUR son

posted December 17, 2006 08:01 AM         

Kamilla,

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I have a feeling that there is a very lonely, frightened, perhaps, even mistreated girl behind preoccupation with astrology, ostentatious interior and fantasies of fame. Such an effort to escape reality.... If she had courage to put her defenses down, may be we could help.

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posted December 17, 2006 08:26 AM         

Just my 7th house bursting forth....and my innate sensitivity showing her face....

Hope all will be well...

posted December 17, 2006 10:57 AM         

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Neptune, you contradict yourself quite a bit in the last paragraph. In one sentence, you are saying that through fashion you come to “understand the sources of human exploitation for the wealth of oneself that keeps a native in extreme positions, usually low”.. so firstly you are admitting that for our personal wealth (western people) other underprivileged people are exploited. Then you go on to say that one of the very things we gain from their exploitation is a hobby of yours and that by being a hobby it somehow helps you be a better humanitarian.

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I guess it happens on the internet more than often, because in the real world I tend to word my words really difficult, like on astrology board, i would post a thread and a few people would say i was speaking another langauge, so let me say this. Fashion is a hobby of mine, but I didn't say that it is what helps being a humanitarian, i said that understanding the reason why people are in need (fashion and exploitation was related to that), helps you become a better aider, because without that understanding, of "why", you really don't have a purpose.

MK, this, is extremely, extremely, extremely, i just can't go on how crazily difficult this is for me to say to you, my whole person, my being, is sincerety, for you to keep on and KEEP ON and KEEP ONNNNN, saying that i'm not, i feel like jerking off, like really taking myself out of this world, because it upsets me that your perception of me is exactly the opposite from who I, really, am.

There was this one incident I would like to tell you about, okay, This past Summer of 2006, well i'm in high school, and i'm on a scholarship, and its called Crossroads, and we wen't on a summer college trip for about a week, and most of it was SAT prep and we played games, and we went to the pool on their campus. The group was full of girls and boys my age, and there were college supervisers on the trip. Well we went to the pool, i can't swim, so i let my feet dangle in the water at the 5' side. Well there was this boy, and everyone guessed on accident, he jumped in the deep side of the pool and he was there for a while, well the life guard got him, and he lay on the floor unconcious, foaming at the mouth, etc. Well girls started crying, everyone jumped out of the pool, and everyone was out of the pool room, but I was the last one to get out, well when I got out, everyone was just standing around, crying, cursing, and etc. and I gathered everyone together, and I lead 2 hail mary's and an our father's prayer. He survived, but just simple and meaningful things like that just make my day. Like helping my grandmother put her Christmas tree up last sunday, very sentimental.

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think you are running away from something big time. What it is I don’t know.. but there is something very strange about this. Having a conversation with you online is almost like talking to a pre-programmed robot.. as though every word you say is acted out for a reason (almost like you think there is constantly an audience). You seriously need to unwind and realise you really don’t need to throw all these things at people to be loved and accepted. When you try very hard to be accepted by acting out a part which you think will earn you admiration, you will almost certainly get the opposite result.. because like MK said, people feel the difference between genuine and false. So be yourself..

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In the reality around me, the world in which I live in, Pittsburgh, PA, allegheny county, going to school at www.oaklandcatholic.com , its funny that you say i'm running away from something, because at school I don't have friends, they admire me, look to me for consolation, but they don't adopt my friendship, and when i'm at LL, i escape those lonely realities of my world, and most of what I do when I'm not online, is reading, i have an obsession with literature, fine books yea, and I love 80's music, Hall & Oates my favourite group, i like BonJovi too, stay up to date on current events by watching "Today in Washington", "Meet the press", MSNBC Investigates, Imus in the Mourning oh and I love Court TV, cops, Hot Pursuit, Dominick Dunne's Power Priviledge & Justice, Forensic Files, Body Of Evidence, Masterminds, & Psychic Detectives, nothings more intriguing to me. And it hurts me, too much actually, that I meet misunderstandings everywhere, its like some curse. Okay, um, i have more to say but i can't stay because my moms needs help cleaning to put up the Christmas tree, and I forgot to mousse my hair, but I will say that when you finally discover that i've only been genuine with you and you know my love is real, don't please don't elate it, meaning don't acknowledge it, because if you do it would only make me feel like killing myself.

posted December 17, 2006 02:31 PM         

Okay i'm back, it seems like whats unconciously going on in this thread is that, everyone is insisting verbally that they want to say something more but hasn't said it,
so i insist, say what you want that you feel will help me,

posted December 17, 2006 02:41 PM         

how stupid of me.

posted December 19, 2006 12:55 AM         

I remember watching her on Kids Incorporated on The Disney Channel when I was younger along with Jennifer Love Hewitt.