posted December 17, 2006 11:40 PM         

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Moon/alch ~
Is this about the right color??

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posted December 18, 2006 12:05 AM         

I burst out laughing when I saw the pic above!!

How are you doll?? Happy Holidays to you, my friend!!

posted December 18, 2006 12:09 AM         

Been doing pretty well, Thanks!!!!

Happy Holidays to you too!!!!

posted December 18, 2006 09:34 AM         

I just wanted to say that I ( and I think I can speak for my daughter here too on this one ) sincerely and joyfully appreciate the nice things that most of you have said here. It was a pleasant surprise to see this. It is a huge lift to the spirit after this week.

Thanks for the big laugh, Pix. hee hee Oh, and all you have to do is just check out DFD's posts on EVERY board at LL and you will get the picture.

Silverstone Your words, and coming from someone like you, ah, well, what absolute joy you gave me is beyond description. Bless you.

I do fully agree with my daughter's words and here is an old ( but goody) song from Simon and Garfunkel that aptly addresses what you are attempting to convey to the people here, my darling. I hope that some of the people at LL will soak in these words then maybe we can at least pretend that we actually are all one in God:

The Sound of Silence
Simon & Garfunkel

Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of
a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools" said I,"You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
In the words that it was forming.
And the signs said, The words of the prophets
are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls.
And whisper'd in the sounds of silence.

My note: silence in the face of any injustice and evil in the world does not stop it. Instead it not only condones it but encourages it. Silence in the face of any injustice or evil only serves to perpetuate it and will never change anything.

Did Lia's and my silence in the face of this out and out character smear campaign all week long stop it? Did everyone else's silence stop it? Zala was the one exception, bless her, she courageously did speak out against the injustice.

posted December 18, 2006 10:30 AM         

Nothing can help GU!!!!LOL!!!!

Thanks Mirandee!!!!

posted December 18, 2006 11:54 AM         

GU is a “I’m about to commit suicide, but before that let me post here” kind of place

posted December 18, 2006 05:19 PM         

People have mentioned before, and I think its worth repeating, that the element of water, often thought of as "loving, sympathetic, compassionate, etc.", is primarily characterized as "responsive"....

Watery, emotional people, are not all kisses and hugs. They FEEL, the good and the bad. They react and respond. Which is why they are so often misunderstood. I think, more than any other element, watery people must face accussations of "hypocrite!", because, they are, after all, usually the first and most emphatic in expressing their love, and, at the same time, they are often the first and most emphatic in expressing their outrage. We could see this as contradictory behavior (and call them "hypocrites"), or, we could see it as behavior entirely consistent with their responsive, watery natures.

As Lia pointed out, even Linda said, "the opposite of love is not hate, its indifference." Watery people care. Sometimes, it may seem like they care too much. But, let us reflect that, if we are so quick to praise their expressions of compassion, let us not be so quick to deride their expressions of indignation, since, in the end, both are forms of the same expressiveness, which is due to an abundance of watery (and often firey) planets, aspects, points, or placements in the chart.

Maybe its because I am a Scorpio w/ Pluto in dynamic aspect to my ascendant, and my chart ruler in the 8th house, but, I am not surprised by hypocracy. On the contrary, I expect people who are the most expressive of positive feelings to be equally expressive of negative ones. Watery, and especially plutonian, people, are capable of feeling and sharing the heights and depths of human emotion. What pains them is as noteworthy, to them, as what they praise. What they run to is no more significant than what they run from. Both ends of the spectrum must be seen in relation to each other, in order to round-out a picture of their personal truth.

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And they express that truth in a way that, although it is subjective, is very personal and direct. For instance, where an earth or air sign might say, "I am feeling a lot of love for you right now," a water or fire sign might say, "I f---ing love you, you know that?!?! You are so wonderful and amazing! You are just the best! You are so loved, goddammit!!," etc. (this may go on for many minutes). Again, where an air or earth sign might say, "I am very upset and feeling very disrespected by you right now," a water or fire sign might say, "URGH!!! You f---ing b!tch!!! What the **** ? How could you?!!" You say tomato... Of course, we all contain a unique mix of the elements and few of us express ourselves in so black or white a fashion, but, you get the idea.

Misunderstandings are par for the course when it comes to water signs (and fire signs, to some extent), but even more so when it comes to on-line forums. What happens in ANY forum (where the conditions for real communication are haphazard, intermittent, and far from ideal), is that the usual propensity for miscommunication is multiplied many times. You cannot see a person's face. You cannot see the tears welling up, which would otherwise incline you to cease, or, at least, relax your offensive. You cannot see how the person becomes restless to respond to some point or other, which, if they had a minute to address, might resolve itself, but, instead, snowballs into something that excites a less sympathetic response than it otherwise would have aroused. Now, take a forum like LL, which, one imagines, would be all "Love and Light", and what you really get is a recipe for disaster (along with other, more appetizing things as well). A forum like this attracts watery and firey types of people. These are the elements most strongly drawn toward occult subjects, and, at the same time, least inclined to reflect upon the delicacies of communication (as air signs), or the practical considerations of on-line posting (as Earth signs).

These signs are responsive, reactive, and easily excitable. A word which might be interpreted negatively probably will be, and it will be remembered and responded to in kind. Things will escalate, and nobody will be sure who started what, and everybody will feel justified for perpetuating the conflict, since everyone believes that he or she is "seeking-justice" for the last unsympathetic word directed at themselves or one of their sympathizers. Naturally, when we believe that we are calling attention to an injustice, we will not hesitate to use words with an accussing or condemning tone when referring to the person whom we regard as the perpetrator of that injustice. "Enough is enough", we will say, now imagining ourselves finally justified in the use of those methods which, for our "opponent", we regarded as cruel and unusual, just moments ago.

Or, we offer half-hearted apologies, more as a means of goading our "opponent", and showing how "selfless" we are, than as a true admission of our own part in exacerbating matters. We all do it. We apologize very sweetly, and, in the same breath, we let slip some comment which may be taken to imply some new insult. Of course, we deny ever having intended the latter. No, we insist, or imply, that we have been "the bigger person" by apologizing in the first place. But it is only another way of putting ourselves first, and making the other person look like the true antagonist. Whatever.

I cannot take sides. Not because I am indifferent, but, because I see us all crusading for justice (albeit our own versions of what constitutes that justice). If we are all seeking justice, we are all motivated by the same (dare I say, misdirected) indignation. My feelings are invested, but they are invested on both "sides", for, ultimately, there are no sides, and, when you imagine yourself on a side, you have already lost. When you act without the other person's best interests in mind, you act against your own, for you will only further inspire their wrath against you.

I may have my own thoughts in favor of one side of the story, but, at the moment, I do not think it would be helping matters to come out for anyone's story, since, that would be interpretted as coming out against someone else. We identify ourselves so strongly with our version of the facts, that, if I were to question one version, the person would think I was personally against them. If I insisted I was not against them, they would interpret it as an attempt to play holier-than-thou. I dont mind being misunderstood, but, I am not going to waste my breath only to be misunderstood. There seems to be enough of that going on.

So, I will say no more than the few things I have already tried to say, and hope that I am not taken as the enemy of all, instead of the friend to all that I truly long to be. What I think is worth repeating is the fact that we are sensitive people, and we all tend to say regrettable things from time to time (in addition to the many wonderful things we say). I dont think any of us wants to be written off for the things we have said, so, I think we ought to do others the courtesy of not boycotting their posts or threads, on account of what has been said in the course of this highly emotional situation. We are all hypocrites. And, anyone who strives for an ideal, and breathes life into that ideal by working towards it, and giving voice to it whenever possible, is going to be a "hypocrite", because, sooner or later, they are going to show that they are also human. Evidently, to be a hypocrite means to be only human, while yet striving to be something more.

When, shaming each other for what is only human in us, we DOUBLY shame those of us who have (in the past) exhibited the more angelic aspects of our natures, calling them "hypocrites", we only discourage each other from exhibiting those higher aspects. And that IS a shame.

posted December 18, 2006 07:19 PM         

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You should put this in GU, where everyone’s constantly pmsing...

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heh heh....

it's also a testosterone flooded spaghetti western....

posted December 19, 2006 01:31 AM         

Soooooo... I fogot to tell everyone that my horoscope Friday said I would "find beauty in unexpected places" and then I went to the horrorcore thrash metal show... hehe Anyway, one of the bands had AMAZING melodies and gave me a 4 track demo c.d. at the end of the set. The "chorus" to one of the songs is:
I'VE NEVER FELT SO F-ING LONELYYYYYYYYY
I'VE NEVER FELT SO F-ING BLIIIIIIND
I'VE NEVER FELT SO F-ING LONELYYYYYYYYY

and then something about his mind, still trying to figure that part out... but at the end of the song he says:

It's all in my mind

then another voice says:

It's all in your mind

then the two alternate and the song ends with a whisper, I put those words in parenthesis:

It's all in my mind
It's all in your mind
It's all in my mind
It's all in your mind
It's all in my mind
*{whispered}*
(move on)

posted December 19, 2006 01:33 AM         

Wherever there is women there will be drama.

Face it. Us women are b*tches.

That's why why my old boss use to say women are to hormonal.

posted December 19, 2006 01:39 AM         

We just fight about Politics

It can get pretty nasty sometimes but hey, its politics

posted December 19, 2006 04:23 AM         

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posted December 19, 2006 11:27 AM         

Moon666Child,

I disagree. I do not believe in free will. I believe there are perfectly evident reasons (called "motives") to explain people's various choices, without resorting to some specious "free will", which would have to somehow exist in a vacuum, outside of these motives, so as to act as an impartial arbitter of them; being moved to choose this or that way by no motivating force whatsoever, aside from the elusive "I"; which is, after all, insubstantial, and virtually non-existent, when viewed independently of the specific characteristics (those things that, by nature, engender specific motives) and behaviors attributed to it. I think a person is the battlefield upon which his or her strengths and weaknesses collide. The awareness of one's weaknesses and strengths is not chosen, but develops over time, and the choice to act responsibly based on our present level of awareness is not free and independent of those strengths and weaknesses. It is NOT a choice anyone could make, but, rather, it is a perfect example of the operation of a particular strength, which only some people possess.