posted December 20, 2006 04:50 PM         

No one told Steve he couldn't post. WE all told Steve to be prepared that when one butts into a thread, posts something derogatory to another person, they will end up getting a post right back at them. He said he didn't like that and therefore would not go back to GU.

posted December 20, 2006 04:57 PM         

Well alchemist.. maybe we can put all of this to rest. These threads do nothing positive ever.

posted December 20, 2006 05:21 PM         

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It's nice for you to apologize. Talk is cheap when it isn't backed up by action to accompany it. Eventually the apology ceases to mean anything when you continually exhibit the same behaviours. It would be better if you would work on not verbally abusing those whom you disagree with for whatever reason.

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posted December 20, 2006 05:36 PM         

I have business in every thread on this forum, and so do you, if you feel compelled to interject. It is, after all, a PUBLIC forum, or did that change? I did not pressume to tell everyone how they should act. That is a distortion. I may have stated my opinion, that we should be understanding and patient with one another, but that is not the same as telling people in a condescending tone how they ought to behave. And as for the several other people who tried to explain things to me... I dont see how my continued disagreement with them constitues some impudent disrespect for their views. Some people are always going to feel condescended to, when they are spoken to about things like understanding, empathy, compassion, and love. I dont mean to make you feel that way. I am just voicing the concerns that are most often on my mind, and which seem to be a priority, worth speaking about, perhaps, as often as possible. Not everyone who speaks for conscience is trying to shame you or muscle in on your territory.

In any case, I believe we are in this together, and we all get opportunities to see things objectively, from the outside (of GU, or whatever), and to make helpful comments to try to keep things on a higher course. Naturally, we all have slightly different ideas as to what course is highest, but, it is hardly self-righteousness to state our point of view, even if we do possess the ability to do so in a terse, vivid manner (which you have termed "blood and guts"). I dont mince words (blame it on Aries on the 3rd, and mars conjunct mercury in Sag), but I dont threaten to thrash people either. Talk about "blood and guts". God, Pid, you should hear all the bloody clever things, all the puns and double-entendres, I think to say, and then dont, for delicacies sake. They are at least as clever as the vicious things you obviously cannot help blurting out in your self-satisfaction.

You say that I "blasted" you and went away.
Here is, word for word, the only response i made before leaving:

"I am strong enough to stay and fight,
but I am not yet strong enough to stay and not fight.
Peace, hsc"

"Blasting" you, indeed. On the contrary, I dont recall ever having shown such restraint in my life. If you felt a blast, perhaps it was your own conscience, wondering whether or not you have followed the highest path, by fighting so much, and trying to turn so many intellectual and political debates into enotional and personal thrashings(?).

You are free to come into "my" threads and voice whatever opinion you might have. Thats why i post my views publicly. I can take it, especially if you can manage to do it without threatening a beating. If you think I am abusing drugs, by all means, I would encourage you to say so, and put your case forward as convincingly as possible. Perhaps I am abusing drugs. Perhaps I could use a few lucid words to stop me from abusing drugs, just as you could perhaps use some lucid words to stop you from abusing other people. Who knows? That's why we are here; to challenge each other, and get eachother to listen to something which comes from outside of the sacred ground of our own echo chambers.

I am not "pushing" my views on others. If my views happen to be radically different, and inspire controversy, that is not my fault. I will continue to voice them, however many times they disagree with the views of others, and however many times I am accused of "pushing".

You say I make "cutting" remarks, but what I do is cut through bullsh!t with one stroke of my pen. I cut to the heart of the matter, and, yes, I appreciate the fact that people who identify the matter at hand with their own egos will naturally feel that it is their own heart which has been cut. As you say, that is "on you". I provoke my conversant to spirited debate. I want a good fight (I know you can relate to that). But, I want it clean as well.

Of course, if you can humble yourself enough to apologize to God, in secret, when you have wounded his children, that is a good thing. And, I agree, that is your business. But, humbling yourself before a mere human being, out in the open, is not so easy, is it?

No, you do not have to apologize to me or accept my forgiveness. I ask only that you do not expect to say the things you do say, and have no one (like myself) show up at your door with a list of grievances, asking for amends.

I dont see how yours and Mirandee's and Rainbow's views on nature and childbirth relate to this matter of ours. So, no comment there.

Again, I dont see how having power to heal and kill (which, incidentally, are not at all the same thing) relates to our discussion. No comment.

"Am I sorry for saying you crawled out from under a rock- yes."

Thank you.
I accept your apology,
and, in my humble opinion,
I dare say, God would be proud!

"Am I sorry for speaking out to you for your unfair assumption about how things were- no."

I dont believe I requested an apology for that one, but, now that you mention unfair assumptions... I did not make an assumption. I did not even make a statement, lol. I asked a question. I asked if it was necessary to call someone "stupid", and to (apparently bloodlustfully) elaborate upon that "stupidity", the way you did with TheEvolution. So, where was my assumption? Did you not call him "stupid"? Did you not make use of several synonyms and metaphors to that effect, with the intention of driving that less-than-brilliant point home? If so, I apologize.

hsc

posted December 20, 2006 05:58 PM         

You can go on with your long, heartfelt condescending posts all you want- it doesn't change the fact that you are b1tching about someone facing off to you when jumped into a conversation yet you were IGNORANT to the situation. Basically what you are saying it this 'I, the superior HSC, am allowed to interrupt any thread, post or forum and say whatever I want because "I" am HSC. BUT... if someone dares to put me in my place for being ignorant to the facts - I should desire to censor them because how dare they tell me what to do".

In short - you feel you have the right to free speech, but when someone tells you that you are off base, you want their free speech squashed. That tolerance at its best isn't it HSC.

As for you DayDreamer- you really don't have much of a soap-box to stand on considering your racist, bigoted and repeated hate speech towards Americans. I'm glad you decided to jump in on this thread and show your true colors. Once again, you're a person that doesn't care about the situation at hand (and why all this got started) you are on my a$$ for putting you in your racist place.

Again, some people are so damn transparent it is sickening.

edited to add

"Of course, if you can humble yourself enough to apologize to God, in secret, when you have wounded his children, that is a good thing. And, I agree, that is your business. But, humbling yourself before a mere human being, out in the open, is not so easy, is it? "

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My God you are full of yourself aren't you? As though you have never wounded one of God's children? I didn't see you make a public apology in an event where you almost destroyed a young womans heart. Don't start throwing stones and acting self-righteous when you have not even a leg to stand on.

posted December 20, 2006 06:05 PM         

Although I am not sure what you are getting at...

I am no better or higher than you, even though you hinted at that....that is your perception. I never said or even inferred those things....that is your judgement, your opinion.

As for not apologising for using abuse or harsh words to me....I can live with that....no problem but it certainly says a lot about a person that wont or cant...! I never expected you to say sorry Lia. My eight year old son is just learning the power of apology, it take some longer, I know!

I too have natural human passions, but name calling or saying eff you doesnt come under the same umbrella for me...that steps down to another category. That isnt passion, that is puerile and abusive behaviour.

There is no argument to be had.....this has become old, worn out and tiresome and I suggest that we just leave it off now hey girl?

It is becoming a tad boring.....

posted December 20, 2006 06:16 PM         

"It is becoming a tad boring....."

AMEN!!!!! You've got that right!!! Well, I for one am tired of posting on this thread. There is too much fun to be had and I need to concentrate on finishing up work before I take my 2 week vacation with Bear and our families. YAY for Christmas and New Years

Sue... I am still trying to catch my breath

posted December 20, 2006 06:16 PM         

There speaks a woman of humility and compassion......a woman of God

posted December 20, 2006 06:18 PM         

Blue and I want to hear ALL about your re-union.....well some of it anway..

posted December 20, 2006 06:54 PM         

I hate to see all of my favorite, intelligent, good posters fighting. Are you all going to keep having at each other till all your arms and legs are off?

Those of us who have been here a while are all upset about Rainbow. We are having a collective crisis of faith. It's hard to keep believing when bad things happen. I don't know about everyone else, but I could really use some support and peace right now.

Steve, you can bleed on me anytime.

posted December 20, 2006 10:50 PM         

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You can go on with your long, heartfelt condescending posts all you want- it doesn't change the fact that you are b1tching about someone facing off to you when jumped into a conversation yet you were IGNORANT to the situation. Basically what you are saying it this 'I, the superior HSC, am allowed to interrupt any thread, post or forum and say whatever I want because "I" am HSC. BUT... if someone dares to put me in my place for being ignorant to the facts - I should desire to censor them because how dare they tell me what to do".

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Once again, you're a person that doesn't care about the situation at hand (and why all this got started) you are on my a$$ for putting you in your racist place.

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posted December 21, 2006 12:25 AM         

People are just hurt.
We all obviously like each other's company for the most part or we would just leave.

Everything is ok now.

posted December 21, 2006 12:31 AM         

Don't accuse anyone of being racist just because they talk bad about YOUR government.

It's not even the same thing!

Unlike you who says send the Mexicans back! Or someone who denies her Native American heritage!

posted December 21, 2006 03:34 AM         

This is what I read.

"Lotus, Maybe it was Pidaua's negativity and her constant remarks about Ginny having brain damage that caused her cancer. Did you ever think of that? I mean with all your talk on the power of negativity and karma and all that one would think the thought might occur to you.

Evil wishes and hate directed at others can be a powerful thing.

Though I don't really believe that but as long you are directing just the negativity at me it is something for you think about????

However, can verbal abuse and personal attacks on a daily basis have an affect on people's health and well being? According to another article that I posted at GU on defending against verbal abuse, it can. And I think we all know that and we all know the effect that stress has on the body and certain illnesses."

Come on guys, there's really no reason to pursue this.

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to everyone!!!

posted December 21, 2006 04:16 AM         

Cassy

posted December 21, 2006 05:33 AM         

Sue, you are really not letting this go. You obviously have your reasons but this cannot be healthy for you or anyone else. Why the obsession??? (let's blame it on all your Scorpio planets) And I mean no malice by that. Still you have know what it looks like for someone looking in from the outside.

Still, I did not see or read that Mirandee actually said that to Pid.

posted December 21, 2006 06:09 AM         

Thankyou Cassy.....you are right girl.....

We read things differently....I dont agree with your perception of the matter....but.....evenso....

I will let go gracefully....

posted December 21, 2006 06:14 AM         

My father said the same thing to me just last week about something I was hanging onto he said "just let it go now"

And you said the same thing....

I will take it as a boot up the backside from the Universe....

Thanks for reminding me....learning all the time, for sure!