posted March 04, 2007 02:11 AM         

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I'm not sure what kind of explanation you're looking for. The subject was Sue; I thought I could add context to the discussion in this way, I suppose.

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But you just told me that this was not about Sue in another post, Johnny. Now you are saying the subject is Sue. So which is it?

You are the one being unfair. You are attempting to turn this on me because I spoke out about the injustice of ALL of all this. Just as BUD stated doing the same thing to Lotus that you accuse her of doing does not do anyone any good.

posted March 04, 2007 02:18 AM         

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I knew you were insinuating that in the first place, Johnny and you are way out of line on those comments.

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There is no line here for me to walk, Mirandee. I'll say what I like, thankyouverymuch. I've already stated that there was no such insinuation in my words, but hey, whatever.

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I was just stating the obvious. SueG is not here so this does not seem to mean as much to her as it does all of you is what I was saying.

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Please refer back to my point about subtle barbs. I don't think that that was *all* of what you were saying, at all.

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You don't see me going around to SueG's threads harrassing her or bothering her at all do you? So to imply that there any kind of ulterior motive on my part here other than to just stop the attacks on Lotus that seem very harsh to me. It's the issue I am addressing here. Not the people.

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Maybe that's true. I have to ask myself, though - why is Mirandee standing up for Lotus while ignoring every point made about her constant harassment, etc.? Why the barbs in her words?

It's no wonder you're super-sensitive about people insinuating things, since you keep doing it yourself.

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What is this about if not SueG then Johnny? None of you called for Lotus to be banned before this.

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Untrue. There have been calls for Lotus to be banned for quite awhile, now.

posted March 04, 2007 02:24 AM         

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Precisely where have I attacked Sue on this thread, Johnny?

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But that's my point. Nowhere, explicity. But you use phrases like "Sue felt she was being victimized," and start questioning her motives for asking for threads to be closed, when we're not even discussing that.

Like I said, it's subtle. An insinuation. You know about those, right?

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But you just told me that this was not about Sue in another post, Johnny. Now you are saying the subject is Sue. So which is it?

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This roundabout way of arguing is making my head hurt. You know very well what I'm saying. The subject of this thread is obviously Sue - her name is in the title, as you can see. Yet, the issue with Lotus goes beyond just her attacks on Sue. As you know. You said yourself you've had issues with her.

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You are the one being unfair. You are attempting to turn this on me because I spoke out about the injustice of ALL of all this.

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No, I couldn't care less if you speak out against the supposed injustice of it, whether I agree or not - it's your right, and I welcome you to it.

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Just as BUD stated doing the same thing to Lotus that you accuse her of doing does not do anyone any good.

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Where did I state that? Please quote, if you can.

posted March 04, 2007 02:27 AM         

(I can take that as a compliment, right?)

posted March 04, 2007 02:35 AM         

Truth is that only God knows what our true motives and intentions are. No way can we seen into the conscious and soul of other people to know that. So really, you are only going on your perceptions based on the fact that SueG and I do not get along.

I am here because this is not right to do anyone. It is not right for SueG to be attacked and it is not right for Lotus to be attacked. Nor is it right for you to attack me and tell me what my motives and intentions are, Johnny. It is not right for anyone to be personally attacked.

However, it was only Lotus attacking SueG. She is being gang banged here by a group of people. All of you have issues with Lotus. So I could accuse you of doing the same thing to Lotus that you are accusing me of doing in regards to SueG. Could I not?

You are throwing up smoke and mirrors here, Johnny to divert people from my initial reason for even getting involved in this mess which I have avoided since the onset on of it. If I was going to "attack" SueG as you are accusing me of doing I could have done it long before now on any of the other threads regarding this matter. Yet i have not been involved in it at all.

It is just that this has gone beyond all human decency and I want to know why it continues on and on and on.

posted March 04, 2007 02:56 AM         

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isn't that the very thing that Lotus was accused of doing to SueG?

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Not even remotely, no. Harassment was the charge, not some vague "supposedly knowing the motives of someone else."

God, that did sound lawyerly!

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So really, you are only going on your perceptions based on the fact that SueG and I do not get along.

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I was basing my perceptions on your word choice, mannerisms, etc. Nothing esoteric about it.

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Nor is it right for you to attack me and tell me what my motives and intentions are, Johnny. It is not right for anyone to be personally attacked.

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I'm not attacking you, Mirandee. I'm not telling you what your motives are, either - I'm simply telling you what it looks to *me* like your motives are.

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All of you have issues with Lotus.

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Why do you think that is?

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So I could accuse you of doing the same thing to Lotus that you are accusing me of doing in regards to SueG. Could I not?

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What did I accuse you of doing? Making snide comments toward Sue?

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You are throwing up smoke and mirrors here, Johnny to divert people from my initial reason for even getting involved in this mess which I have avoided since the onset on of it.

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I actually sort of like arguing with you, Mirandee - you make me sound so dastardly. It's sort of fun.

If you like, I won't say another word about your reasons for being here. The way you were referring to Sue made me suspect that you were taking Lotus' side because you dislike Sue, or something like that, but what do I know? What do I care, really? I don't - do what you like, say what you like, it's all the same to me.

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It is just that this has gone beyond all human decency and I want to know why it continues on and on and on.

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I think that, if Lotus would like to be left alone, stopping the harassment of other members would bring it about pretty quick.

She doesn't want to be left alone, though, which is why she perpetually fuels the fire. Like Sunchild mentioned earlier - she gets off on this. We're both feeding it, really. I think it's necessary to the health of this forum that she be banned, though, so I present arguments in that direction.

posted March 04, 2007 02:58 AM         

Nor am I insinuating anything about SueG. I was just questioning why did all you continue on talking about Lotus where she could read it and not expect her to be angered by that? If you guys all hadn't been talking about her on BR's thread to Sue then she might not have been angered to the point of posting this thread.

I would defend anyone who I felt was being attacked like this by a group of people. It doesn't make any difference who they are. On that tarot thread it was only Lotus saying things to SueG. But here you guys are gang banging Lotus. That is not right.

Lotus and I have had our differences in the past and you know that. So does Lotus. But I don't hold grudges and I don't seek revenge. Perhaps that is why you can't understand my motives and intentions here in speaking out at what is being done here on this thread to Lotus by a whole group of people, Johnny. You guys seem to hold Lotus to every mistake she has made in the past. Sorry, but I don't. I let go of that and give Lotus the room she needs to grow and change and she can't do that if I keep holding her to what she said to me in the past. And whether or not you choose to believe it or not I do the same thing to SueG. I once told SueG on a thread that I was willing to break the arrow with her. She ignored me so I took that as her answer. So be it. But no, I do not seek any kind of revenge against SueG or anyone else.

Give me a week and I will forget your judgment of me on this thread too, Johnny.

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posted March 04, 2007 02:58 AM         

Dio and GemLove, I used to think exactly like you and I don't form opinions about others by what people say, I go by personal experience. Just give it time and you will see for yourself.

Pixie, I would crawl on my knees and beg you to forgive me for not standing by you on this issue from the very beginning. The Evil One is a master at inciting anger in others and it plays out like a cartoon... she incites and incites and whacks away no matter how you try to resolve things peacefully and then when you finally turn to swat her away she cowers in the corner shreaking and moaning about your brutality. Her crocodile tears (that she stops wiping away to smile that evil grin when no one is looking) work on every newcomer who she knows will come to her rescue in the good name of Linda and of Peace.
She is nothing but a bully and she is constantly allowed to barge onto perfectly peaceful threads simply to cause chaos and derail them from their initial fine purpose. As SunChild explained (and so many agreed) most are afraid to speak up about it because of the "consequences" of being trolled and followed around the forums.

Just recently she started with me again, and then when I left that thread, followed me to a thread she hadn't been participating in to start with me again. Halfway down on Page 6.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/007612-6.html

Telling people they can't talk about what is happening here is like barging into a support group and telling them to stop complaining about their problems. What did she expect to happen when she posted this topic? It's a Topic Title that won't be ignored and people are saying what they really think. Isn't that what she wanted? Actually no, that's not what Trolls want. She got what she wanted.

posted March 04, 2007 03:28 AM         

you know how this all started?

Sue broke the rules in the astrology forum
and then lied about not knowing the rules...
Silverstone posted it all...it was edited...

anyway..you can all keep bashing me, it makes you feel good..just me...all of you jackals...
funny..it's been that way since I got here...
I follow the rules

when others don't, I show up...

it's that simple, that's how it started...

posted March 04, 2007 03:56 AM         

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I didn't say that you said it, Johnny. I said that BUD, Born Under Discouri said that though not in those exact words.

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Oh. My mistake. Sorry.

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I was just questioning why did all you continue on talking about Lotus where she could read it and not expect her to be angered by that?

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I think most of us were trying to show support for Sue. Who had been being harassed by Lotus to the point that she felt like leaving. We can't do that privately; it's not possible on this forum, and there is no longer any other place to go. If she was angry, she had no right to be, as she

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would defend anyone who I felt was being attacked like this by a group of people. It doesn't make any difference who they are

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I know you would - that's one of the reasons I like you so much. I remember that KS thing, and how you stood up to everyone for what you felt was right.

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But here you guys are gang banging Lotus. That is not right.

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Well, for what it's worth, I'll stop now. You win.

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Lotus and I have had our differences in the past and you know that. So does Lotus. But I don't hold grudges and I don't seek revenge.

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I don't want revenge, but I think that Lotus does this sort of thing to get attention, and I don't think she's going to stop, and I think it is making LindaLand an unpleasant place.

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once told SueG on a thread that I was willing to break the arrow with her. She ignored me so I took that as her answer. So be it. But no, I do not seek any kind of revenge against SueG or anyone else.

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Of course I believe you. And I've never heard Sue say anything about you at all, except that you two don't get along. That's you guy's business; not mine, anyway. I like both of you.

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Give me a week and I will forget your judgment of me on this thread too, Johnny.

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Well, I don't think I was judging. Possibly I misread your words, who knows. Even if not, goodness knows I'm a jerk on occasion, so I wouldn't judge someone for a barb or two.

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Well, you made me look kind of dastardly too, Johnny so we will call it even

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posted March 04, 2007 03:59 AM         

I think you are very knightly, also.

posted March 04, 2007 04:42 AM         

I also like Pix, Dulce Luna, Star and others here on this thread and I hope that they will understand too.

I just wish we could all get along and the personal attacks on the threads of LL would stop. I wish we could discuss things and disagree without being disagreeable. You know? Say what you mean but don't say it mean.

I wish we could all just forgive each other and forget the things that happened in the past.

I've been a jerk myself on occasion, Johnny so it is very easy for me to forgive it in other people.

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