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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 17, 2007 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
AG,

I'm talking to the people who claim to be interested,
and to want to know what's going on here,
so they can help themselves and others evolve.


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AcousticGod
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posted March 17, 2007 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Self-knowledge is a stage in anyone's maturity, and I think that requires a knowledge of all your strengths, so that can't be a bad thing.

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AcousticGod
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posted March 17, 2007 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Doesn't mean they won't resent you for reading a chapter ahead. They may be stressed about a test on chapter 5, so telling them about chapter 6 may be premature.

(I'm just playing devil's advocate, you know. )

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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Waaaaaaah waaaahahhaaaaaaaa! They can go home and cry to their mommies, go back to Chutes and Ladders. hehe That's what SEPARATES THE MEN FROM THE BOYZ FOLKS! You gotta REALLY want it to sit there for hours just WATCHING Rubiks Cube Genius at work, trying to catch even a glimpse of his genius. Then you have to put up with his gruff and brutal disregard for your poor wittwle emotions. Hasn't anyone else seen a Kung Fu movie??? LOL

If you don't want it enough, go home.

Now... go wash my car.

hehehe

There was a freaking Rubiks Cube in THE MUSEUM when I went last month. Right next to the leg warmers... *sigh*

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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
BR, HSC, and AG, too bad you guys don't live down the street. We could get a fine game going. (RPG, not Chutes and Ladders) I wonder if anyone one else would play. Yeah, AG, I didn't even ask if you wanted to... hehe
Bring your guitar... hehe

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AcousticGod
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posted March 17, 2007 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
lol, I'd be happy to bring my guitar.

If I play I have to be able to be of a somewhat chaotic temperment, and I'd never play a brute.

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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Roamer, are you calling me stupid, ugly, socially err blunted, lazy, or WHAT?!?!? Just kidding. I know what you are saying... you gotta put those low rolls somewhere but! if you keep your character for many "lifetimes" you grow in power and abilities.

Necromancer MWAHAHAHA I know exactly what you mean about the club. How boring! Current games with more futuristic/apocalyptic themes offer cyborg enhancements. I am always surprised at men who would CHOOSE to chop off their hands/arms/legs etc to replace them with enhanced cybernetics. I talk to them about losing the sensation in even the tip of one finger and what a great loss that would be due to an accident, let alone choosing to remove an entire hand (or both!). Most of them just look at me like I'm talkin' that crazy wimin talk again. Bunch of Storm Troopers.

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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
That's it, I'm starting a thread!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 17, 2007 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
AG,

That's a clever analogy about the chapters,
but I really don't think it applies.

This is not a mystery novel,
this is a genuine mystery.
Believe me, you want to know "who done it".

I'm trying to save people a lot of unnecessary (and painful) mistakes.
We're talking false accusations and the condemning of innocent people.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 17, 2007 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I appreciate that, Mel. Thanks.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 17, 2007 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

"There must be some kind of way out of here,"
said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion,
I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine,
plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line
know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited,"
the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us
who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that,
and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now,
the hour is getting late."

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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Mercury in Aquarius

What did you appreciate more, Steve, my taunting or my shouting? You two are so mellow and I'm electrified. Weird

I've been on Spring Break and de-stressing on chick flicks so my brain is sparking again. It's been tired lately.

*edited to say: Nice tunes now I can be mellow too*

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thirteen
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posted March 17, 2007 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
To HSC, No, i saw the pics of you in another post. At first I thought Kobain was you too then i realized it was not.

Sometimes i think to have a lot of knowledge like that is karma, it challenges one to deal in world where a lot of others aren't going to have that insight and it can be damned frustrating.

And ag, some of those points were not considered by me before. You mean everone is not just exactly like me and wants to know and discuss every little thing just like me? ( my aqua ascendant) O c'mon yes they do. LOL

Another thing that interests me is the content of those christ letters. some of what i read seemed pretty darned good! Did anyone here think so too?
Im gonna print the material out today and read it over again.

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TINK
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posted March 17, 2007 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
You know, Steve (may I call you Steve?), there was a reason I found you an excellent choice for the new Yellow Wax moderator. I wonder if it might be better for you to haunt that forum rather than this or UC. Of course, it's only a suggestion. I'm no sage or prophet. I have no ability to see particularly clearly into the hearts and natures of men. I can only speak from my own experience and a small degree of outside observation that art can very often bypass a pesky intellect.

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Dulce Luna
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posted March 17, 2007 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Alright, you know what... I apologize for going on the defensive last night...not really a good weekend for me. Although i was sure I made it clear to whom I addressed my post, I will make myself clearer next time.

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jwarner
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posted March 17, 2007 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Heart-Shaped-Cross,

I see you enjoy sufi stories. Is this the one you alluded to?

There was a man sleeping under a tree. A giant snake crawled up to him and entered the man's open mouth.

A wise man was watching and ran up to the man. The Sage took a large stick and began to beat the man. The man woke in fright and began to run. The Sage chased him.

After further beating, running and torment the man collapsed in a heap and began to heave. After some time he threw up and out came the snake

Seeing himself free of this parasite, the man turned to the Sage and said "Thank you for helping me, but why did you beat me so severely?" Why didnt you just tell me there was a snake inside me and we could work together on the problem?"

The sage replied "if you had known that which existed inside you, you would have died of fright. nothing I could do would have saved you."

Are you familiar with the Seven Levels of the Nafs?

Peace Friend

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Lialei
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posted March 17, 2007 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Boasting would imply imbalance to me.
Is there equal reception? Listening?Openness? Gratitude?

Are the future grueling climbs ahead, being foreseen from the Summit?

As always there will the next fall; more challenging climbs yet awaiting. Is their awareness of and patience of these cycles?
Is the recent wisdom discovered, patient with and allowing of time and experience to yet season it into a flowing Truth?

As a writer, I appreciate the value of the written word.
But evenso, I equally elate and glorify the unspoken realms that exist alongside. I like the freedom-- the gift of discovery there in those unspoken realms. So subtle they may be.
I witness, I watch. I wait.
Are words lived?

I agree with what BlueRoamer wrote about appreciating the gift a writer leaves hidden/awaiting in the tapestry of his writing for discovery. I often enjoy your writing for just such reasons,HSC.

I admire that BlueRoamer is a writer himself, so apparent in his every post, yet he has never proclaimed such. He allows me the freedom to recognize such treasure on my own. I admire that, for all the wisdom I'm so aware he contains, he quietly, modestly endures outshined. The squeakiest wheels get the oil in this world, as the saying goes and it's sadly most often true. My heart feels for the buried treasures that go unrecognized for not proclaiming. Even moreso am I compelled to search these treasures out and honor their quiet existance.

When all under Heaven know beauty as beauty,
already there is ugliness;
When everyone knows goodness,
this accounts for badness.

Being and nonbeing give birth to each other,
Difficult and easy complete each other,
Long and short form each other,
High and Low fulfill each other,
Tone and voice harmonize each other,
Front and back follow each other-
it is ever thus.

For these reasons,
The sage
dwells in affairs of nonaction,
carries out a doctrine without Words.
He lets the myriad creatures rise up,
but does not instigate them;
He acts
but does not presume;
He completes his work
but does not dwell on it.

Now,
Simply because he does not dwell on them,
his accomplishments never leave him.

Lao Tsu/The Tao Te Ching


Tao Te Ching Verse 81


True words aren't eloquent;
eloquent words aren't true.
Wise men don't need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren't wise.

The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others,
the happier he is.
The more he gives to others,
the wealthier he is.

The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads.



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MysticMelody
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posted March 17, 2007 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message

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AcousticGod
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posted March 17, 2007 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message

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Azalaksh
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posted March 18, 2007 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
..... Lia .....

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fayte.m
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posted March 18, 2007 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Lia

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solar_third
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posted March 18, 2007 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for solar_third     Edit/Delete Message
Spiritual bragging, or boasting, is like having come to orate at a solar elipse, where one assumes the apocalypse is about to occur.

I.e. there is nothing left to brag about.

S_T

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BlueRoamer
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posted March 18, 2007 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lia I don't know if you are aware of this, but I believe you are describing yourself much more than you are describing me. You paint dreams with words and manifest the subconsious in a very powerful way. Moreover, your posts emanate a love and forgiveness that I should only hope to achieve.

One who brags is surely not aware of the waxing and waning of the tao, you are right, all peaks must become valleys, all tidal waves must crash, and forests must burn.

I believe many people on this website have something of a messiah complex. I'll admit to the fact that I like to appear spiritual and forgiving, and often will refrain from posting if the post doesn't fit into that schema. It's easier to remain in control online, and so maybe its good practice for the real world? But the personaltiy I project here tends to mask the less desireable parts of me, such as despondency, envy, hate, rage, and bias. And I'm sure that goes for many people here, many of us are not as we appear. I often feel like there's an unspoken contest going on, who has the deepest most profound wisdom?

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MysticMelody
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posted March 18, 2007 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I OBVIOUSLY don't participate in THAT. hehe I'm far too geeky to only present my "best" side. I'm more careful with my words when I am trying to make a point that is important to me though. But I think, overall, I'm more casual here than most. I treat everyone as my "buddies" and the ones who respond "connect" and the rest just give me anywhere from a 'smiling, tolerant' eye roll to a 'if only they could strangle me' eye roll.
I'm also not above the occasional slang or profanity, which is viewed as highly unspiritual by many. But, I will get by...

Must be getting early
Clocks are running late
Paint by number morning sky
Looks so phony

Dawn is breaking everywhere
Light a candle, curse the glare
Draw the curtains
I don't care 'cause
It's all right

I will get by / I will get by
I will get by / I will survive

I see you've got your list out
Say your piece and get out
Yes I get the gist of it
but it's all right

Sorry that you feel that way
The only thing there is to say
Every silver lining's got a
Touch of grey

I will get by / I will get by
I will get by / I will survive

It's a lesson to me
The Ables and the Bakers and the C's
The ABC's we all must face
And try to keep a little grace

It's a lesson to me
The devils and the East and the free
The abc's we all must face, try to save a little grace.
The ABC's we all think of
Try to give a little love.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
but it's all right.

Cows giving kerosene
Kid can't read at seventeen
The words he knows are all obscene
but it's all right

I will get by / I will get by
I will get by / I will survive

The shoe is on the hand it fits
There's really nothing much to it
Whistle through your teeth and spit
causeit's all right.

Oh well a Touch Of Grey
Kind of suits you anyway.
That was all I had to say
It's all right.

I will get by / I will get by
I will get by / I will survive
We will get by / We will get by
We will get by / We will survive

~Grateful Dead-Touch of Grey

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BlueRoamer
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posted March 18, 2007 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Well MM you're a cool cat, you wouldn't need to repress parts of yourself cause you're all good cheese.

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