posted March 20, 2007 02:47 PM         

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Fayte, I am eager to see things from your perspective

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posted March 20, 2007 02:52 PM         

everything is very simple, we humans complicate things...

are we judging, Heart-Shaped Cross?

are we poking him with a stick?

we learn from everyone. ...

even the begger on the street...

all equal, all family, all children of GOD...

posted March 20, 2007 02:59 PM         

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When I am speak about Algebra, they seek to refute my testimony by telling me about Addition. When I slow down and try to explain Multiplication, again, they speak to me about Addition. If you have not understood my logic, how can you claim to have transcended it? But I have understood your logic. I can make your case at least as well as you can. And, only after having done that, can I spot its flaws. Does anyone get this?

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I do.
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"The terrible thing about the quest for truth is that you find it."
- Remy de Gourmont

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I see you're getting truth from all sides Stephen. Are you finding it?

I hear people saying that they don't want you to presume it's your place to force enlightenment as you see fit. I hear people telling you that you're not interested enough in them or where they're at in life for them to extend the same courtesy to you. I hear people explaining to you that coming to knowledge is a process that is seldom complete (which means that as much as their knowledge isn't complete, neither is yours).

Determinism isn't your own original thought, though you do tend to present it as your own and tie much of your intellectual pride up in it. It is possible that in your reading and contemplation that the idea came to you, which makes it feel original, but after looking into it you've found that others have already had these ideas, right?

You also found this idea because you were looking for this idea. One specializes in what one is interested in. It is misguided to believe that everyone is interested in the same things. It's also very likely misguided to believe that people must be lead to the same conclusion as you. If you are going to keep trying to teach, though, it may help to take into account what isn't working, and develop a new strategy.

In your Determinism philosophy you acknowledge that people essentially can't help themselves, because they are merely acting out of their mindset, which they have no control over (no free will). How do you reconcile stubbornly trying to teach Determinism to people who don't have a choice in listening to your input, especially some of the people who've repeatedly not been able to accept your teaching? Perhaps Determinism dictates that you keep trying, but you've also got to be aware that Determinism may keep these people resisting.

posted March 20, 2007 03:14 PM         

You may have that backwards Lotus.

posted March 20, 2007 03:25 PM         

We are all (and all things are) made of "energy" because that is what All Is. Some people are just closer to tables.

..Not that I have anything against tables... all tables really are equal ya know... I would never claim to be better than a table...

If you haven't been around people who have SOLD THEIR SOUL, I can see how you might be able to convince yourself that all people share an equal amount of "soul", which is the pure energy people talk of when they say there is "good" and the capacity to "know" God in everyone. But when your light is stolen from birth... when you sit in rooms fogged with pot smoke, daily being ripped "open" by things and beings from this and OTHER dimensions, you become so weak that any offer of "power" becomes attractive.

See: Columbine

There is a price to pay for the power, and it is too steep for a child to pay.

When you are "open" your subconscious mind picks up even more than usual. You might begin to think have certain views that you have been exposed to over and over and just assume they are your "views" and come from that special place "within".

Intelligence without Wisdom is a dangerous thing. Not everyone is balanced, like "God" who is All Intelligence and All Wisdom.

There are many people who don't want to join with the All. I have talked to many people, with a greater degree of understanding than the average person, who believe we should be going in the opposite direction. People who "believe" that they (I/God) would be better off if enough void and separation entered into "God", then God could finally rest and his "Failed Experiment" that is painful Existance would just END.

If you haven't studied this, you have NO idea.

They slit our throats
Like we were flowers
And our milk has been devoured

When you want it
It goes away too fast
When you hate it
It always seems to last
But just remember when you think you're free
The crack inside you fu@#ing heart is me

(thought, not spoken):
I wanna outrace the speed of pain for another day

I wish I could sleep
But I can't lay on my back
Because there's a knife
For everyday that I've known you

When you want it
it goes away yoo fast
When you hate it
It always seems to last
But just remember when you think you're free
The crack inside your fu@#ing heart is me

(thought, not spoken):
I wanna outrace the speed of pain for another day

Lie to me, cry to me, give to me
I would
Lie with me, die with me, give to me
I would
Keep all your secrets wrapped in dead hair
I hope at least We die holding hands for always

The men I have known in my life... and the many children they have created... and if you question that the lyrics in this song don't mean what I say they mean, you have only to read the rest of the lyrics on the albums, hidden not in the popular songs, but only in the songs that will be listened to over
and over
and over
and over
by the stoned, wide-open to the Astral realm and all it's energies
little boys
and girls
of the world.

Song reference is Manson, but there are more.
Do you really WANT TO KNOW?
You have to be strong to overcome the Fear.
Are ya READY?

posted March 20, 2007 03:30 PM         

That just got etched on my heart.

posted March 20, 2007 03:30 PM         

by our Fear?

posted March 20, 2007 03:31 PM         

Nope, not this time. I can see you are trying to be fair Lotus, but go through the thread again.

Only one person is condemning others as "blind".

When in fact it may be that we are ALL just partially-sighted......

posted March 20, 2007 03:35 PM         

but, I also see alot of growing happening..for all of Us, and when all attack One, well, it hurts my heart...

I want Us to have LOve and Compasssion for one another, Understanding...

posted March 20, 2007 03:37 PM         

i think i understand what you are talking about when u talk of the dark and people who have sold their souls

posted March 20, 2007 03:38 PM         

The problem with these threads is they can appear that way when it is something very different.

Even those who are disagreeing with HSC are professing love and admiration at the same time.

Is there any better way to learn (or grow, better word )than that?

posted March 20, 2007 03:53 PM         

[1st Verse]
Sittin in my class with my head on my desk
Teacher's trying to talk but I could give a **** less
I'm staring at this freak that I know I'm in love with
But she don't even know my name it's always been the same
I just lay my head down and drown in my spit
Nobody even notices I'm here 'cuz I ain't ****
I'm hearing voices but I don't know what they're saying
Sweat is on my forehead 'cuz my brain's inside decaying
And this ***** that I love prob'ly don't have no Idea
She's talking to her friends I'm in the corner and I see her
Something happening but it isn't very clear
Sounds like a bell sounds like an electric chair
Next thing you know I'm walking in a crowded hall
So many different faces that I throw up on the wall
Some are yelling sick and the others stop and stare but I don't care
I'm in a hurry going nowhere
See my head is spinning 'cuz I'm lonley and I'm twisted
but I have a secret everybody missed it
Just a nobody and I think It's a drag
But I got Mr. Johnson's head...In my bookbag

[Chorus x2]
I couldn't stand the pressure, not another day
I didn't like the ****** Mr. Johnson anyway
I sat up in his class, he hung a rebel flag
I cut the bigot's head off and I stuffed it in my bag

[2nd Verse]
I wish somebody knew me 'cuz then they could say I'm wrong
But since nobody knows me I got it going on
I'm staring at the clock, a tick and a tock
I got a couple food stamps folded in my sock
I must be a ghost, everybody walks through me
If I died in class they would prob'ly say they knew me
Or they wouldn't care, they wouldn't even move
My dead body rotting in the back of the room
For weeks and months stinking up the class
Until somebody notice, then they throw me in the trash
I can hear the teacher man talking about Columbus
He's nothing but an old dead **** with a compass
ran up on a beach and threw everybody off
and then we claim discovery and now we all applaud
I don't give a **** to learn you're all going to hell
I'm trapped in my mind and my brain is my cell
But I have the key it's called insanity
I stick it in my brain to unlock eternity
I'm just a nobody and I think it's a drag
But I got Mr. Johnsons head...In my bookbag

[Chorus x2]

[Mr. Felcher:] "Ok class, America is the land of the free. A land of
democracy. A land without prejudice, and above all a land of freedom.
That's the beautiful thing about our country; we are all treated equal. All
races live together in harmony. What is it, Scott?"
[Scott:] "Mr. Johnson already taught us this.
Ain't he ever coming back?
[Mr. Felcher:] "Well, uh..."

[3rd Verse]
NO! They can sit and front about it all day
But I left his ******* body in the hallway
And in the morning when they opened up the door
And seen his motherfucking carcass laying on the floor
But they would never suspect me I'm just a nerd
I try to speak my word, it always goes unheard
I could chop my arms off and run around the class
I doubt they'd even notice and if they did they'd laugh
Instead they'd rather learn about a redneck *******
Who owned a couple slaves but I guess it don't matter
**** Washington, Benjamin, **** 'em all now
They can suck my nuts 'till they wooden teeth fall out
And the class wanna know who could it be?
But I'm like Dewie-Booda you never heard of me
I'm just a nobody and I think It's a drag
But I got his motherfucking head hehehe! In my bookbag

[Chorus x2]

(Stop, stop, you gotta think straight! stop...)

[Chorus x3]
my bag....in my bag....in my bag....

ICP
"hahaha These guys are GREAT, just HILARIOUS"

yah, let's All just get together and Create This Reality! YAY! *flowers and sunshine and bunnies*

It's all fun and games until somebody strangles your child in the back seat of a car at Taco Bell and then burns her body and cuts it up with a (f#@king hand) saw and throws in the trunk for easier burial.

They went to McDonalds when they were done.

What?

posted March 20, 2007 03:56 PM         

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But why hide behind quotes?
What do you have to say?

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This is ridiculous.
How can anyone accuse me of hiding?
I put my ass out here more than anyone.
You want to know what I have to say?
Who has said more than me this week?
Read any number of my posts,
full of what I have to say.

Lisa,

How can you even wonder if being admired is my motive?
All I have said has only angered people against me.
If my motives are impure,
they are far more likely to be masochistic.
But they are not.
My intention is to experiment with truth.
Try try try to understand, if you can.

And just because I see things differently that you do
does not mean that I do not love and respect you.
That is what nobody here seems to understand,
despite all their talk of tolerance and egolessness.
I am complex.
I am entirely capable of loving you
and telling you the bitter truth at the same time -
entirely capable of respecting you
and not respecting the ideas you identify so strongly with.
Don't take it personally.
Prove your egolessness.

Swerve,

And you've really got to be kidding.
I have been challenging people like crazy all week,
and my frustration is not at being challenged,
it is at being so consistently misunderstood
and so consistently NOT challenged.
I challenged you to articulate your point,
and you made some excuse.
Now you accuse me of tucking tail?
"Sulking?"
Because I posted a couple quotes expressing the isolation I feel?
And a blue heart.

None of you pose the slightest challenge.
I'm bored.
The only challenge is to stand up to all the disapproval.
Believe it or not, I'm HIGHLY sensitive.
This has been, among other things,
a test to see if I can deal with being judged and seen as the bad guy.
Who has the balls to take such an unpopular stand as this?
Any of you?

I'm so sick of being misunderstood.
But I'm not saying "poor me".
I'm frustrated by everyone's blindness.

Can't any of you see that I can provoke you,
and speak my unflattering truth to you,
and still have love for you?

I dare you to love me in spite of it all.
I do it for you.
I do it for all of you.
I spend my life understanding and accepting those who offend me.
I spend my life seeing through egos.
See through mine, if it offends you so much.

See my love for you.
See my love for truth.
See them co-exist.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I tell you the truth.
Deal with it.
I do.

posted March 20, 2007 04:03 PM         

I have been through, what you are going through

this is what I learned...

I must make sure my Truth is Truth,
I must get affirmations, many, before
sticking my neck out...
and even then, most will not see

just as you are not willing to SEE, Us...

MysticMelody,
Do you think posting negative things, feeds the negative forces?

posted March 20, 2007 04:12 PM         

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Who has the balls to take such an unpopular stand as this?
Any of you?

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posted March 20, 2007 04:15 PM         

I know what I know.
I know what I am saying.
I know when I am being misunderstood.
I put it before you in a million ways,
and you don't see it.
You are not blind, but you are blind to this.
Just as you think I am blind to you
(but you only admit it out of anger, lol).
I am sure of my convictions.
You are sure of yours.
You think Love is everything.
You don't believe in tough love,
or hearing the truth when it disturbs your vanity.
You are just as convinced of your positions,
as I am of mine.
Look at yourselves before you point your fingers.

You are all accusing me of blindness,
just as I am accusing you.
The difference is, I do not hold it against you.
I welcome the opportunity to get real.
I f*cking love you guys, lol.
I f*cking challenge you guys.

Embrace it!!!!!!!!