posted June 14, 2007 10:22 AM         

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So now your trying to prove yourself to be more virgoan than I am...whatever... they're anger is understandable.

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You dont even know the difference between "their" and "they're" or "your" and "you're". Your credentials for determining who is more Virgoan leave something to be desired.

posted June 14, 2007 10:25 AM         

I appreciate your advice,
and I will think on it.

I know Lia means well. Lia always means well.

I have nothing more to add to this thread for now.

posted June 14, 2007 10:25 AM         

Aquarian you are not.
Virgo? seems more low level Scorpion right now.
I hate when people say that to me, but it makes me look at what I am doing. And makes me rise above the grey lizard state.

posted June 14, 2007 10:26 AM         

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good thing you're an understanding friend.

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When the chips are down, you can count on Lia,

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posted June 14, 2007 10:28 AM         

Who divulged a secret?

Lia or me?

posted June 14, 2007 10:31 AM         

Defending myself and speaking truth to the face of falsehood is not low level Scorpio bullsh!t.

posted June 14, 2007 10:33 AM         

I'm sure you will regret isolating such a woman.
because that is what you will do.

As I said; sometimes I talk to my husband (ie; someone I trust) about things I have kept secret. Not always, but sometimes.
If he ever told, that would be regrettable and say things more about his character than mine.

posted June 14, 2007 10:41 AM         

I am not throwing random stones.
I don't do that.
I did not bring this up.
Fayte brought it up,
and there was fiction in her words, -
fiction at my expense, -
which I felt compelled to address.

posted June 14, 2007 10:43 AM         

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fayte,

You made comments saying that you are glad you have trusted your personal information with Lia and not someone like me. I merely told the truth, than Lia has indeed disclosed your secret to me, and that I have disclosed it to no one. Do what you want with that information. I'm not trying to break you two up, or put a wedge of truth between you. And I'm not blackmailing you. I said I would never tell. And I won't, no matter how low you sink.

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no matter how low you sink.

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posted June 14, 2007 10:46 AM         

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Lia, I expected more from you. Thanks for sobering me up.

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Yes, I do see. Much more than anyone might believe.
I don't feel comfortable betraying privacies to stress points.
For everything I've seen the other too.
Much loving, giving, caring, listening, understanding, empathy. I did still hope, because I can never dismiss these things as if they never existed.

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That was about you.

I was here partly because I care about you, and hated to see you alienating yourself from others who have cared about you too. And with belief in your willingness to face things in life, no matter how painfully harsh or shocking or challenging have in striving to learn and grow. I've seen you do that. I believed you would. I have imagined your feelings, even if you believe I haven't.

I've expressed to you before about being upset about what I could see happening (the debates, etc. between you and Mirandee). You guys always made up in the end before and learned from each other. I hoped for that...but now there's been far too much. I can't blame her for detatching.
I can't see what was once possible happening now...with all the horrible things said and done.
I was trying to make things ok again...there was still a possibility, I felt.
I wasn't here to defend anyone, feeling that would only make things worse. But I do feel I held a lot of restraint, considering the things you've said about my Mom and my friends. All people I care a lot for and admire.
That's my Mom, for christ's sake. You expected more from me?
You expect too much. Only any frailty or humanness is pointed out by you...all the rest worthless.

I'm not going to question why you would say something like that about telling secrets to Fayte. (nor can I figure out what you're talking about)
To try to drive a wedge between her and I? I can't think of any other reason for it. You would really hope for that too?
why? isn't enough ever enough?

Someday you'll probably see the part you played as well, and the potential in this moment that was passed on by. The karmic lessons aren't done? Most often these lessons take time to absorbed in contemplation. Not by force. Please let it go now, we'll all learn what we need to off to ourselves; hopefully bring something good and beautiful still.

thank you, Fayte.

I'll butt out now,
as I should have from the start.

posted June 14, 2007 10:47 AM         

You have. Not the details, but the essence of it. Again and again, HSC.

Driving a point home in such a fashion against someone who isn't even here to defend themselves when you advocate defending yourself with such conviction, smacks of pain or anger directed at Lia.

It's the self-punishment I was alluding to earlier.

Perhaps after all this exchange of negative energies you are like a soldier shooting bullets at anything that moves rather than specifically targeting the enemy?

Is that relevant do you feel?

I hesitate to add much more because you are dealing with enough battles already.

Take a break and let it clear a bit, you'll be glad you did because I know you are capable of feeling immense guilt.

posted June 14, 2007 10:48 AM         

I have nothing more to add.

pixie,

I appreciate you saying that.
But I am still Heart-Shaped Steve.
Always have been.

I will walk away now.
Thank you for being mature with me.
Maybe you can teach me something.

posted June 14, 2007 10:49 AM         

Faye, thanks so much for your praise. I don't know if I deserve it, but would want to deserve it. I thought I had been my worst on this thread. But keeping quiet when I see 'injustice' or 'inequity' is impossible for me. I am glad you understand that.

Dulce, your support matters a lot to me. I know you get me. and I am so thankful that amidst all this mud slinging there is someone who can see what's really going on. You have a clarity of mind that I so admire. I love the way u word your replies, how concise and to the point they are. Yesterday I was musing about it, and then I remembered the virgo moon ! Like Faye said, you rock !!

*edit* on second thoughts I think I'll wrap it up in this post itself

Thanks BR for bringing in some perspective. I am sorry for what you went through.

posted June 14, 2007 10:57 AM         

You gave some sound advice and this should stop.

Lisa was just trying to be fair and mediate here and it was misunderstood. My only objection was that I knew it would start things up again. Which it did. But not her fault. She was only trying to show compassion and understanding for everyone here and hopefully get it to stop.

I have both emailed Randall and put in a post here at FFA asking for him to moderate this thread since he is the only moderator here at FFA. I asked that it be closed. Told him it is escalating. Yet no word from him at all yet. Now HSC is harassing me on that Attention Randall thread with fale accusations.

So I am asking others here to please stop replying to him or anything he says and let this thread die.

You have that power to let it die or continue it on.

Things are just going to get uglier and uglier unless someone decides to walk away and stop this insanity. Or until Randall steps in.

Fayte, Zala, Lia ( especially you Lia :love) I love you all with all my heart and there is nothing that HSC does to manipulate and nothing he says that is going to drive a wedge in our relationship so don't let it bother you guys.

posted June 14, 2007 11:02 AM         

I have tremendous respect for you, Sir.

And I know you believe you are seeing this clearly.

I must respectfully disagree.

But you have raised a shadow of doubt in me,
which is not difficult to do.

I will take a break now to reflect.

But, for the record, Swerve,

I did allude to the nature of the secret once, vaguely.

I deleted that comment about fifteen minutes ago.

love to you,
Stephen

posted June 14, 2007 11:05 AM         

I think everyone has been feeling it is far beyond anything decent anymore and needs to stop.

thank you.

{{hugs}}pix.

BlueRoamer, You're mom's ok? I hope everything is alright. Yes, surely sobering moments indeed.
I wondered where you were.
I was thinking how a flaming fart picture would have been nice.

posted June 14, 2007 11:07 AM         

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That was about you.

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Lia, if you want to bring up our personal stuff, you have my total blessing. I have nothing to hide. I stand by everything I wrote to you, and can defend it with ease. Ask yourself if you want to go there.

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nor can i figure out what you are talking about

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Have you forgotten what you told me?

Fayte will see it for herself in her inbox.

I really have to get away from this thread now.

posted June 14, 2007 11:08 AM         

why cant we resolve issues gently with good faith... all I can see is that HSC is being cornered and outnumbered...

how abt one to one ... ONE person who can without the support of others has a personal account to settle with him, instead of this group attack...

just take a step back and look at it from the view of a third person, it looks disgusting.

posted June 14, 2007 11:16 AM         

okey PEACE seriously, stop it ALL.

posted June 14, 2007 11:16 AM         

I'm sorry, everyone.

Stephen,please.
leave me be.

I am walking away now, truly.

posted June 14, 2007 11:27 AM         

Perhaps I'm mistaken, and if so that's a good thing.

posted June 14, 2007 11:28 AM         

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You dont know the difference between "their" and "they're" or "your" and "you're". Somehow I think your credentials for determining who is more Virgoan leave something to be desired.

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Actually, I do know the difference btween the "their" and they're", but its called I was in a hurry as I was about to head out the door so I made a typo, so sue me.

Thanks for reminding me though, I will edit those mistakes.

And I never said whether or not I'm more virgoan (although I already know the answer to that), it was you who decided compare astrological placements just for a pat on the head.

You're bringing up something as stupid as a typo because you know I proved you wrong and you want to divert attention from that, because I know how your narcisistic need to always be right.

ILWL,

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Dulce, your support matters a lot to me. I know you get me. and I am so thankful that amidst all this mud slinging there is someone who can see what's really going on. You have a clarity of mind that I so admire. I love the way u word your replies, how concise and to the point they are. Yesterday I was musing about it, and then I remembered the virgo moon ! Like Faye said, you rock !!

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