posted June 10, 2007 11:15 AM         

Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad.

- Aldous Huxley

Much madness is divinest sense, to a discerning eye; much sense, the starkest madness. 'Tis the majority in this, as in all, prevails - assent and you are sane; demur, you're straightway dangerous and handled with a chain.

- Emily Dickenson

The way it is now, the asylums can hold the sane people but if we tried to shut up the insane we would run out of building materials.

- Mark Twain

They deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth.

- Plato

Be good and you will be lonely.

- Mark Twain

posted June 10, 2007 11:16 AM         

What good is a philosopher who offends no one?

- Diogenes of Sinope

posted June 10, 2007 11:43 AM         

quote:

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The majority of men do not think in order to know the truth, but, rather, to assure themselves that the life which they are living, and which is both habitual and agreeable to them, is the one that coincides with the truth.

- Leo Tolstoy

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I used to agree wholeheartedly with these arrogant geniuses, as you call them, until i realized that many many people I know think the same way as me. That each of us, reached these conclusions, and thought we were isolated in them. Perhaps these geniuses lived in another time, when indeed they might have felt very isolated in their search for truth. I simply don't know. What I do know is that more and more people now are waking up, or already awake. that the pressing need right now is for bridges to be built, and not for one man/woman to go about preaching the truth to the ignorant masses.

I don't know how you expect me to defend myself. What you thought I'd put forward in my defense. How I'd enunciate my beliefs of a lifetime. Probably you just wanted to provoke me to say something. The irony is that most of what you say I agree with - in theory. In practice, I differ from you in that I do not believe in arrogance. no matter how certain i am of my views. I know i have been proved wrong in the past, and for all i know one day i might shun all my present so called truth's. hence the disclaimer, the admission of the possibility that i could be wrong. that doesn't mean i am any less convinced of what i believe in.

I believe that love is the most important force in the universe. i find that part lacking in your posts HSC. I only see self love in your posts, for all your talk about higher love. where is the love? I only see pity....benevolence...and condescension. You don't treat others as your equals. in talking about your realizations, you tend to put others down. Come and relate to us on an equal footing. and you'd find others are much more receptive to what you have to say.

I apologize for expressing pity for you in a post or two. I couldn't help it. However, that's no excuse. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

One has to be forever vigilant to not let these things creep into one's thoughts and then words. I wonder if you ever do that? I wonder if you ever sit back and think about what you said....whether it was too presumptuous? if someone comes and tells me i sound arrogant, I'd not reply with 'i am convinced of my beliefs hence it is more justified than you'. I'd take notice. I'd probably go back and reread everything I had said to that person. and analyze whether i really meant it or there was some other subconscious motive operating, unknown to me.

About love again....I feel the opposite end of love is fear. These are the two most important dynamics acting in any individual. love results in positivity, and negativity can most of the times be traced to fears. One of me recent realizations is their connection to astrology. nothing earth shattering. just putting two and two together. take capricorn. capricorn's labors of love can result in them building an empire. but when they act out of fear, a fear of failure, a fear of being poor, a fear that they need material success to get love, they becomes the mercenaries...the cold, hard hearted businessman we hate. it is the same for each sun sign. when sag acts out of love for wisdom, s/he is appreciated. people look up to him/her, and heed his/her advice. when s/he acts out of a fear of inadequacy, a need to be wise all the time, a fear that s/he won't be loved unless s/he sounds all wise and philosophical, that's when you get the 'know it all's'. when sag acts out of a love for adventure, a love of exploring, and leaning the truth, we get the independent, confident, jovial sag we admire. the same sag, when s/he acts out of a fear to be tied down, a fear of being subordinated, we get the commitment phobics. btw when i talk about signs here, i talk about the sign energies.

What do you want me to say? how do u expect me to stand up to my beliefs? I don't believe in justifying myself. I am on my own path. I have a lot to do. And very little time left to do it. I am not going to argue about why i don't believe that living one's truth is speaking about one's truth.

I suggest you ask yourself what dynamic operates in you. why are you so bent upon proving yourself to us here? Is it love, or is it fear?

that's it for now, i really have to go
ILWL

posted June 10, 2007 12:15 PM         

I have nothing but posting problems here at LL lately. I guess the server wants me to have to speak in sound bites. Very frustrating. Maybe it's my computer. So once again will have to post in 2 parts. Sorry.

Thank you, GG, ILWL and DL.

Steve

Please just take this the way I intend it, as friendly advice. Not criticism just for the purpose of critcizing you to cut you down.

I think it would be wise to heed the words of ILWL, Pix, Zala, DL, Star and others here who have told you that they object, not so much in your thoughts and opinions but how you deliver them.

I worry about this because you do give us food for thought, you do have much to say, but unless you also learn to listen to what others say and learn to deliver that message you want to get across to us in a less forceful, condescending manner people are going to turn you off. They will stop listening to you ( rather stop reading your posts.)

I like that you have the ability to bring about spiraling on these forums which is what true discussion is all about, going from one thought to another is great. That is definitely how we learn. However, when we do begin to spiral with our thoughts, let us go with them. Listen to what we have to say and allow the spiraling to continue instead of repeatedly hammering your viewpoint at us if we have different thoughts. No one learns much if the "teacher" keeps telling us, " This is the way it is and are you that stupid that you can't grasp it?!!" Let the thoughts flow. Just throw it out there and let us decide if we accept it or not. If we don't agree with you on it then at least try to understand why we don't agree. Force only makes people balk. No one likes having others cram things down their throat. Just throw out your opinions and thoughts and let us do with them what we will. That is our choice to make.

We all have something to add to the big picture and we are all trying to figure it out, learn and grow together. In order to be a teacher you also have to be a learner too. Good teachers also learn from their students as they go along. I'm sorry but the way it comes off with you is that you seem to feel that you have absolutely nothing to learn from us but you have much to teach us and we are just too dumb to get it. You may not intend it to come off that way but if we keep telling that is how it comes off then maybe you might consider readjusting your delivery?

Even your compliments are worded to take something away from the other person, Steve. For example over the past two days on this thread you told me that " for once I agree with you," and on another thread at UC you told me that what I said was, " surprisingly logical." Then you proceeded to say that my "maturity of expression" was probably due to the way that you worded your post. LOL Come on, Steve!!! Cut me some slack. Give me at least a little credit without also taking something away from me. Others too.

I'm glad that "for once" you agree with everything I said but you know, I don't really expect you or anyone else to agree with everything I say. It's nice when others do, but I don't want to be like Bush and surround myself with "yes men." That is really just an ego padding thing that denotes a very weak ego. It's phony too because no one can totally agree all the time and progress would be stopped if they did. I could not learn and grow that way and neither could anyone else. Problems don't solved either if we only want people around us that agree with our every word and thought. Probably why Bush has remained to this day an idiot.

posted June 10, 2007 12:18 PM         

I agree with what you said regarding, God, Steve. We do tend to put God on the back burner in our lives. However, less important than talking about God is how we live our lives. Most people here at LL and in the world talk less about God than they show in their actions and the way they love others that he is a part of their lives. I for one do not think that any kind of love for another is ever really selfish. The only kind of love that is selfish is the self-centered narcisstic love. I think the really important thing is that we do love, however imperfect that love may be. If we are reaching out to others in love we are in the process of learning all the time how to love in a more perfect way. We are on the right track in attempting to reach that higher love.

Our love may be in many ways imperfect but that we love at all is all that God asks of us. He does not keep a slate of our mistakes. He is only concerned with our efforts however imperfect they may be in the eyes of the world. At least imperfect love is much better than hate. So we are in our inept ways sending out love ripples in the world.

Now if there is just one thing in all I have said here that you agree with then that is fine with me. You can disregard the rest of it.

One more thing, it might help if you not worry so much about the preciseness of your wording or how many big words you use in your posts, or how complex you can present things when you want to deliver your message. That only complicates things and comes off as cold. Just lay it out there in a less complex manner of speaking. When people do this it only tells others that the person is trying to impress us with his intellect. It confuses things that are otherwise quite simple to comprehend. In other words, just speak less like a philosopher and more like a human being. It comes off much warmer when people do that. Don't worry so much about punctuation, correct spelling, or proper grammer. We might do that if we were writing a book but just talking to other people, why worry about it? We will gather rather you are intelligent or not just from what you say.

posted June 10, 2007 12:36 PM         

quote:

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I believe that love is the most important force in the universe.

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Another genius once said:
Love is the answer
and you know that for sure
Love is a flower
you got to let it grow

It's true you know. We must love each other more. In addition I would add compassion, a sense of generosity for others welfare as much as our own. And throw in a dash of equity while I am at it

Love,
GG

posted June 10, 2007 12:48 PM         

I was admiring your post up until that "ps." that you could not help throwing in. All I'm saying with those quotes is, if you are going to call me arrogant, you had better call those men arrogant as well. Especially Albert Einstein. I was just about to post a few truly "arrogant" quotes from that great man. Maybe I'll wait on that.

I will respond to the rest of your points later.

In the meantime, while we are on the topic of signs, let me post a little blurb about Aquarius, so you know where I'm coming from:

Aquarius is the sign of the water-bearer, the bringer of wisdom, and is one of the most evolved of the zodiac energies, second only to Pisces. He is eccentric, highly individualistic, erratic, impulsive, willful, rebellious, and progressive. Aquarius, a masculine sign, is the most objective of the signs, and will not allow his personal feelings to cloud his judgment. He may be a genius, and is sometimes centuries ahead of his time. Whatever level of evolution civilization reaches at any given point, you may be sure that Aquarius is years ahead. For this reason, his perceptions, which are both intuitive and rational, are often prophetic. Although he is not likely to pride himself on his talents, he will not shrink from admitting them. He is too devoted to the truth to abide false modesty, or false anything, for that matter.

Aquarius has an overwhelming motivation to speak unmitigated truth, and to spread his message throughout the world, whatever it may be. Aquarians always have a message or two, or three, or... (you get the idea). They may be happiest when expressing and discussing their understanding of profound truths, and are not usually inclined to be silent about such things, or to speak with ease of anything which is not directly related to the deeper truths of the universe and man's place therein. Aquarius' thinking is noble, impersonal, inspired, and far-reaching in its implications and effects.

Although he has an ability to socialize breezily with persons in any social class or category, he often feels like an outsider. Aquarius is prone to feelings of profound loneliness and isolation because he is so completely out-of-step with his contemporaries, who are generally unreceptive to his claims. This is all the more distressing to him, as he genuinely cares for the wellfare of all beings, and his provocative nature is designed to bring about their greatest good. The immediate effects of an encounter with a true Aquarian may include shock, dismay, upset, and indignation, but the eventual effects are likely to be much more enlightening. Because Aquarius grasps intuitively what others cannot, it often takes others a while to digest his perceptions. Aquarians are ruled by the planet Uranus.

posted June 10, 2007 12:55 PM         

Love, harnessed to wisdom, accomplishes all things.
On its own, it is as destructive as any other force.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

- Saint Bernard of Clairvaux

posted June 10, 2007 12:59 PM         

"[Being humble, Virgos will frequently quote other sources,
rather than use their own words to express their views.]"

posted June 10, 2007 01:12 PM         

i do consider some of these greats arrogant, if tht's wht u wanted to know. i take them with a pinch of salt. bcoz i don't know in what context they made these statements. I'd really like to know that before i form any definite opinion. But I do know in what context you say the things you say.

i understand your point about wanting to quote them. but, as i said, why?? why do u have to compare, for whatever reason?

many times when we quote someone else, the real objective of that is not clear.

posted June 10, 2007 01:12 PM         

Have you connected to God within?

The endless source of Knowledge and Truth, and of unconditional LOve for ALL. ...

Times are changing, the signs are all here, living in the past, will not change the present and future. ALL of Us are connected, all equal, no One is to be looked down upon, for we all together hold the keys, and the keys are within, and all together we can unlock the mysteries, the Truth.
You can not rely on the words of man, HISTORY=HIS STORY. ...

MOther gave Life to Us, just as she does here! MOther's know unconditional LOve, and as Linda Goodman wrote, the feminine essence is superior, when women are finally, truly acknowledged as equal to men, then shall we see truth, and miracles shall never cease!

posted June 10, 2007 01:25 PM         

And so what if you have a genius IQ! I don't care!
I have one! So what?
Enough!
Ok I am going now because franky Mr HSC you are an arrogant know it all and I am sick of your mouth!
Balderdash Extremis!

posted June 10, 2007 01:44 PM         

ask yourself whether it is the shadow side of these signs u have picked up.the same behavior can stem from love, or fear, like i said. intention is everything.

posted June 10, 2007 01:59 PM         

let me outline the shadow side of aqua for you, as one who is intimately aware of it. The fear of being 'common', and no different from the next person. everyone is created equal, and that means that i myself am not anything great or extraordinary. learning to live with that is the biggest challenge. its a delicate balance. being different yet being equal. the fallacy is in assuming that everyone is created same too. equality does not imply that i am not different from others. once i accept that i am who i am, i dont need to compare. i don't even have the obsessive need to be different. i don't have to determine whether i am inferior or superior. i am who i am. i have a little bit in common with everyone, but i am unique.

I am special. and so is everybody.

you define your causes. your causes don't define you. find what you believe in, don't find yourself in your beliefs. if you really believe in something, you will live it in every action of yours. you don't need to put it on display. aqua doesn't need to/have to stand out. they stand out just because they are who they are. you will truly shine if you live your beliefs. else you will be stuck in this quagmire. anyways tht what i feel/believe in. that's what i follow.

posted June 10, 2007 02:31 PM         

I can only imagine what that must be like. I have never had problems conceiving at all. From my experiences with adoption it is a heartwrenching thing to go through. Love to you dear Faye. I am sorry for your losses.

posted June 10, 2007 03:27 PM         

I know exactly what you mean.
I love you just the way you are.
And for anyone else I have expressed caring or love for here at LindaLand, know that as I grow to a deeper caring and then feelings of love, it is because I have seen your negatives, as well as your positives, and although I could start a whole thread regarding all the ways I see you demonstrate your negatives, I choose instead to focus on your positives. They are still as plain and clear to me as any of Steve's or my negatives are to you, or to him, or to me... I just choose to love you anyway (actually it isn't even a choice, I just do). And for those of you I don't love up on constantly, I don't know you and I don't have the time to know you as you deserve to be known, but that doesn't mean I don't think you have value. It doesn't mean a friendly word or a "well done!" won't burst out of me when something you say strikes me as inspired or excellent.
And for those who attack me, I don't bother with you because I have spent my life under attack, and have taken greater, more painful, and more inspired blows than you will ever be able to deliver to me. The only danger I am in from your attacks is of temporarily losing my light and being "tempted to give you a piece of the darkest part of my mind" (if I may use one of my favorite quotes from a wise philosopher ) and although I may resent your strengthening of my will as you help me to keep reminding myself to align my will to God's will... I see the value in it, and I do know there is value in you as well.

And for anyone who doesn't like MY big words or way of expressing myself, this is Capricorn AC and this energy is used when I feel defensive (but I also have Cap moon so I use those energies at other times as well), HSC has the same AC, which is another reason I can see when his hurt is equal to any of yours even if you cannot. When he is eerily observant and accurate, it is Scorpio (Pluto) speaking to you. When his post is long and zinged in from "out-there" and you have to read it a few times to fully understand it, Aqua (Uranus) is speaking to you. When he speaks curtly with solid wording and controlled passion, Capricorn (Saturn) is assisting him in controlling his passionate Pluto energies and volatile Uranus energies.

If this is difficult for anyone to understand, or if you are one of the people who can't be bothered to read the entire thread or even the entire post before freaking out on someone, I will translate in Common:

If you don't like us, TFB, get over it. If you don't love us, then you haven't tried to get to know us enough or you don't have enough love in you to do it. Don't be p!ssed at us for that.

(sorry Dee, had to throw that in there... not directed toward you, but humorously related to your post, yeah, us Cap AC's are human too even if we don't come off that way. I also have Merc in Virgo, so I can relate to the Virgo energies and quotes)

"I love quotes... concise, beautiful, 'mental writing' that conveys more in a few lines than some authors are cabable of conveying in an entire book."
~MysticMelody

"Each perfect quote is like a brief, bright channel of pure insight and pure God/Force."
~MysticMelody

"Most great men and women are not perfectly rounded in their personalities, but are instead people whose one driving enthusiasm is so great it makes their faults seem insignificant."

~ Charles A. Cerami

posted June 10, 2007 03:34 PM         

i remember once on my grandfather's death anniversary, we wanted to donate food and clothing to an orphanage. we were told that we'd have to wait for 3 months just to give a lunch to them. In India, many people living on the streets die of the severe cold during the winters. The government distributes blankets to these homeless people. guess what they do. they sell it off to buy some alcohol. the solutions to problems like poverty and overpopulation are not as easy as they look on paper.

i have taught in a charity school. it is one of my most cherished experiences. i learnt how to relate to those kids on a totally different level. how to get their attention and make them listen to my math lessons. how to make them feel those equations on paper. I would love to do that again, given a chance. i probably learnt as much or more from them as they did from me. to be frank, their pure honest love and admiration scared me to the bone. i have never seen such pure love in my life. it was a very humbling experience. i choke when i think about it.