posted September 10, 2007 07:01 PM         

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I will not assume but at this moment I am not comfortable hearing this phrase now at least said twice, too much like joking about death to someone you know who just lost someone. I am assuming nothing but stating my discomfort at seeing that phrase brought up twice with you knowing what I have had happen to my eye. It may be an innocent social fax pas or a subconscious dig. Or totally to only illustrate a point. And please folks no age drivel that I deserved it, or it was a sign.

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I will not assume but at this moment I am not comfortable hearing this phrase now at least said twice, too much like joking about death to someone you know who just lost someone.

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I am assuming nothing but stating my discomfort at seeing that phrase brought up twice with you knowing what I have had happen to my eye. It may be an innocent social fax pas or a subconscious dig. Or totally to only illustrate a point.

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It's always much easier to see the shortcomings and faults of others than it is to see our own. Ask God, whatever you conceive God to be, to help you know your faults.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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posted September 10, 2007 08:00 PM         

Thanks for what you said to me, Mirandee. I'm considering your advice and all you had to say. I do think Fayte has a point about not sweeping things under the rug. When my feelings are hurt, I listen to them, and, if I think I am being warned of danger, I don't discount that message. If I have extended my hand on repeated occassions in the past, only to see it fiercely bitten, its common sense that I will be reluctant to offer it again. I took a chance with you, because you apologized and showed me kindness. When the others do likewise, I will extend myself to them. Until then, I acknowledge that the grudges I bear are between me and my God, and no one else. Forgiving, making peace, and letting go are all things I must do for myself. And I can offer my forgiveness, when I have it to give, to Pidaua and Star, but if they cannot admit wrongdoing, and if they believe themselves justified in their actions, then, what use have they for my forgiveness? When they ask for it, I'll give it. To give it when it is not asked would only be pressumptuous and a little self-righteous, I think; just another way of reminding them that I believe they wronged me, and making myself look like the bigger man by publicly forgiving someone who won't apologize. These are, at least, my present thoughts and feelings on this matter.

posted September 10, 2007 09:55 PM         

Big Picture!!!

posted September 10, 2007 10:56 PM         

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Solane Star
Knowflake
Posts: 3584
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
posted September 10, 2007 09:55 PM
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Fayte what's your point????????
Big Picture!!!

Yawn................................................................................................................................................................................ .................................................

Solane Star
Knowflake
Posts: 3584
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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Go ahead and say I'm attacking you and Judging you also with my comments!! Call it what you want????
But what is your point???????

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posted September 10, 2007 11:54 PM         

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Fayte what's your point????????

Big Picture!!!

Yawn................................................................................................................................................................................ .................................................

Go ahead and say I'm attacking you and Judging you also with my comments!! Call it what you want????

But what is your point???????

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Maybe you should let Mirandee and Fayte deal with this..

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Silverstone Wise words my friend!{{{HUGS}}}

Thank you Silverstone.

posted September 12, 2007 12:32 AM         

~KNOWFLAKES~

NO KNOWFLAKE WALKS ALONE
A LONE WOLF AWOKE
SAW A SAFE FEN
WOE, ALSO SAW A FEW FAKES,
A FEW FALSE ONES,
A FEW FOES,
A FEW LOW ONES ASKEW.
SO WE ASK NOW OF
A FEW SANE ELF FOLK
OF LAWS, OF KOANS, OF FLOW
NEW ONES KNOW AWE,
AS NEW ONES WAKE SELF ELF
AS A NEW SELF FLEW AS AN OWL, A SWAN.
WE SANE ELF ONES OWE NEW KNOWFLAKES A SAFE SEA
A SAFE WALK,
A SAFE LANE.
WAKE SELF FLOW NOW
AWOKEN WE AS ELF FOLK SANE.
AS ELF FOLK WE WAKE!
LOSE WEAK FLOW, ELAN WON.
AS WE ELF FOLK KNOW SELF FLOW LAWS,
SO A NEW SAFE SEA NEW KNOWFLAKES,
NEW "ELF SELF" FOLK NOW KNOW.

posted September 12, 2007 12:41 AM           

It has been such a beautiful and spiritual thread with everyone sharing their thoughts and wonderful, uplifting articles.

Let's not turn it into another argument PLEASE.

Goatgirl and Star I loved the inspirational articles you both posted here. Wonderful!!!!
And the songs, Star. Peace train made me cry.

MM thank you so much. You're a sweetheart. Liked the lyrics you posted very much.

Also wanted to say that your words mean more to me than you can know, MM

edited for typos and to add the comments to MM and Star

posted September 12, 2007 06:56 AM         

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Sorry to add fuel to fire, but some people needs trouble to survive! Looking back on various posts - just my opinion - not an assumption but a fact!

We are forgetting this is an open board and washing laundry is like spitting on the onlookers face too, so cant blame if people join in the "down ride".......

posted September 12, 2007 08:00 AM         

Ami chant

Thats not the beginning of the end
Thats the return to yourself
The return to innocence.
Love - devotion
Feeling - emotion
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Love - devotion
Feeling - emotion
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Dont be afraid to be weak
Dont be too proud to be strong
Just look into your heart my friend
That will be the return to yourself
The return to innocence
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If you want, then start to laugh
If you must, then start to cry
Be yourself dont hide
Just believe in destiny
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Dont care what people say
Just follow your own way
Dont give up and use the chance
To return to innocence
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Thats not the beginning of the end
Thats the return to yourself
The return to innocence
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Dont care what people say
Follow just your own way
Follow just your own way
Dont give up, dont give up
To return, to return to innocence.
If you want then laugh
If you must then cry
Be yourself dont hide
Just believe in destiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SowFKX3ek

posted September 12, 2007 11:34 AM           

It's as you said, part of the dynamics of the internet.

I think it happens on all public forums. It even happens in the chat area of a game site where I have membership. The good thing about that site though is that we have the options to either mute certain people and not see what they write or we can turn the chat off. I personally think all public forums such as LL need those options. In fairness to Randall, I imagine that option costs more and he has a hard enough time paying the bills at LL. I don't know that for sure but it is my guess.

We can mentally do that on forums like LL that don't provide the option of mute. We can choose not to read certain posts which are hostile and negative.

I used to get pulled into arguments at LL but one day at GU I just told myself, " I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to argue with people anymore. I want to get along with people as best I can." It was all dragging me down and effecting my well being and beyond that in my heart I knew it to be wrong. So while I am working on learning to control my ego, which always needs to defend itself when personally attacked, I have stopped posting as much at GU.

Change is a day by day effort. Complete change in ourselves does not come overnight or even in a week, month or year. It's a gradual process that we have to work on everyday. The tools we use to help us do that are different for all of us. Meditation, prayer, or reading spiritual and inspirational things. All those are tools that help to keep us focused, centered and balanced.

It's like people who want to change their lives and get off of drugs and alcohol. It's a step at a time process that needs constant reinforcement. Those who are trying to get off of alcohol can't do that if they are going to places where they know there is alcohol. Same with other drugs. So it is with me and GU.

When personally attacked verbally by someone we can either take it in and own it or we can detach ourselves from it inwardly. We can detach inwardly by going to our center - our core. We can stay focused on the spiritual and remind ourselves that it is only the ego that feels the needs to defend.

"Hurt people hurt people." That's a very true saying and when others lash out at us I think we should keep that saying in mind and with compassion realize that the other person is doing this because they are inwardly hurting. Just because we are hurting though does not give us the right to infringe on the personal boundaries of others and abuse them. So it's okay to remind others that they are infringing on our set personal boundaries. They are invading our space. Then let it go. Don't own it.

When people lash out at others and attempt to define them, it's really theirselves that they are defining. No one else defines us. We define ourselves. More importantly, God defines all of us.

Those are just my thoughts on it. Don't let it get you down, Sattvic. Stay focused on what is truly important to you.

Note: This post is not directed at any individual on this thread. It is just my thoughts on the whole generalized dynamics.

posted September 12, 2007 02:11 PM         

Rude Awakenings, Helen Keller
The example of the newly blinded man is so concrete, I wish I could use it as a type for all life-training. When he first loses his sight he thinks there is nothing left for him but heartache and despair. He feels shut out from all that is human. Life to him is like the ashes on a cold hearth. The fire of ambition is quenched. The light of hope is gone out. The objects in which he once took delight seem to thrust out sharp objects at him as he gropes his way about. [...] Then comes some wise teacher and friend and assures him that he can work with his hands and to a considerable degree train his hearing to take the place of sight. Often the stricken man does not believe it, and in his despair interprets it as mockery. Like a drowning person he strikes blindly at anyone who tries to save him. Nevertheless the sufferer must be urged onward in spite of himself, and when he once realizes that he can put himself in connection with the world, [...] a being he did not dream of before unfolds itself within him. If he is wise, he discovers at last that happiness has very little to do with outward circumstances, and he treads his dark way with a firmer will than he ever felt in the light.
Likewise those who have been mentally blinded "in the gradual furnace of the world" can, and must, be pressed to look for new capabilities within themselves and work out new ways to happiness. They may even resent faith that expects nobler things from them [...] How little we know ourselves! We need limitations and temptations to open our inner selves, dispel our ignorance, tear off disguises, throw down old idols, and destroy false standards. Only by such rude awakenings can we be led to dwell in a place where we are less cramped, less hindered by the ever-insistent External. Only then do we discover a new capacity and appreciation of goodness and beauty and truth.
-- Helen Keller

posted September 12, 2007 02:26 PM           

I have no time to spiral off of those wise words from Helen Keller but it ivoked so many thoughts just reading that.

Will be back later. Maybe even more insights will strike me during the day as I meditate on this. I do my best thinking as I do my chores.

posted September 12, 2007 03:03 PM         

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So it's okay to remind others that they are infringing on our set personal boundaries. They are invading our space. Then let it go. Don't own it.

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"Re-gaining Unconsciousness" by punk band NOFX also appears to have been influenced by the poem;

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First they put away the dealers,
keep our kids safe and off the streets.
Then they put away the prostitutes,
keep married men cloistered at home.

Then they shooed away the bums,
then they beat and bashed the queers,
turned away asylum-seekers,
fed us suspicions and fears.
We didn't raise our voice,
we didn't make a fuss.
It's funny there was no one left to notice
when they came for us.

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The poem also influenced the closing lines of the Corrosion of Conformity song 'White Noise':

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When They Cracked The Whip, Nothing Was Said
When The Flames Burned, Nothing Was Said
When They Notched The Barrels, Nothing Was Said
When The Bays Opened, Nothing Was Said
When The Dogs Were Set Loose, Nothing Was Said
When The Colors Run Red, Nothing Was Said
When Innocents Cried In The Face Of The Guilty
No One Said Anything

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Both of the above were inspired by the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller.
Niemöller said he was not quite sure when he had said the famous words but, if people insist upon citing them, he preferred this version:

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In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

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There may be a few who see this as me being disagreeable or trying to start a fight.
There are some who may become affronted and take it personal.
That is not my intention here at all.

posted September 12, 2007 03:07 PM         

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goatgirl - WOW!

posted September 12, 2007 04:21 PM         

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

posted September 12, 2007 04:47 PM         

March 8, 2006
EVERY PROBLEM HAS A SOLUTION. STAY CALM, AND THE ANSWER WILL COME.

Today as I was running out the door to meet a SUCCESSFUL new day,
I felt a strange BULGE in my trousers.

At first I thought that in my ENTHUSIASTIC ENTHUSIASM I might have hurt my PENIS or my BOTTOM HOLE.

But I came to find out that THERE WAS ANOTHER PAIR OF UNDERWEAR IN MY SLACKS FROM THE PREVIOUS DAY!

FOLKS, WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS:

THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM.

YOU MIGHT THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR PENIS/VAGINA or your TOOTER , AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT IT'S ONLY AN EXTRA PAIR OF UNDEROOS FROM THE DAY BEFORE.

LIFE IS FUNNY LIKE THAT.

DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

STOP, BREATHE,AND THINK BEFORE YOU REACT.

WHEN THE "WORST CASE SCENARIO" THOUGHTS COME FLYING IN , STOP !PAUSE.
AND SAY:
" IS THIS ABSOLUTELY . ABSO-TOOTY , TRUE ? "

HOW EMBARRASSED WOULD I HAVE BEEN IF I HAD TAKEN THE BUS ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN TO THE FREE CLINIC AND WAITED ALL DAY TO SEE THE DOCTOR—
ONLY TO HAVE THEM REMOVE A DIRTY PAIR OF BATMAN UNDERWEAR FROM MY PANTS?

THANK GOD I STOPPED, THINK'D, and TOOK A BREATH—
Then STUCK MY HAND DOWN MY PANTS AND SOLVED THE PROBLEM.

STAY CALM.

LOVE CLAM.

Posted by clamlynch at 9:38 PM http://www.clamlynch.com/blog/2006/03/every_problem_has_a_solution_s_1.html

Yeah that guy is warped.
But I had a similar thing happen not once, but eek! twice!!!!!!!!!!
I was in a hurry one morning.
I was keeping track of my BMTs each morning to determine my fertility days.
Well....I tend to mouth breathe due to a deviated septum, and so my oral temperatures can be inaccurate. However being extremely over endowed in the bosum department I would tape the BMT thermometer under one firmly where the temperature was more stable. Well the phone rang and one thing led to another.
I forgot the thermometer and went about my day.
As the day wore on I felt a slowly growing pain, but was in public and could not discretely check out the painful area.
A finally went to a restroom to discover the
thermometer where I had completely forgotten it.
I am not going to tell the other time something like this happened. eek!