posted September 29, 2007 10:16 AM         

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I am not aware of all that goes on. If it has been happening recently, fair enough, but things were posted that took place last year....

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posted September 29, 2007 10:26 AM         

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This is why telepathy would be nice, or actually whihc one is the one we were taking about were you can tell when one is lying to you?

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posted September 29, 2007 10:30 AM         

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Yeah...telepathy would be very welcomed by me!

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posted September 29, 2007 11:15 AM         

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A clear conscience fears not the idea of a telepathic world.

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posted September 29, 2007 12:22 PM         

First, I apologize to lotus for whatever I did that was hurtful and prompted the exposure of private emails.
I stand by my PRIVATE thoughts, and even though I would rather not have them publicly displayed, so be it. I've learned my lesson about supporting people behind the scenes -- guess I just won't do it anymore.

Second, I tender a general apology to anyone else who might have been upset by any of my actions. Perhaps, if everyone learned something about their fellow human spirits by this rampage thru FFA, there will be a positive outcome for everyone.

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posted September 29, 2007 12:31 PM         

In these private emails to Lotus actually Zala and myself were supporting her at the time when she was under attack and people were asking that she banned for life from LL. At that same time I also went into a thread where SueG's friends, people that I genuinely liked, were ganging up on her and I supported her there as well because I never liked to see any one person ganged up on by a group. Lotus knows these things. God knows these things. I risked having people that I considered friends and who I liked very much turn against me in supporting Lotus. You can see how being kind to Lotus is appreciated.

That is all that Zala and I were doing. SueG is not here to defend herself so it's very wrong to continue bringing her up on the boards of LL.

That's all these emails were about. Supporting Lotus. But we are guilty for misunderstanding SueG and saying the things we did about her in these emails.

This is an invasion of the privacy of Zala and myself by posting private emails and dragging up things from the past when people made mistakes in an attempt to say, "There that is the type of person these people really are."

I am not going to close or delete any more posts of Lotus. The matter has been turned over to Randall, the site administrator, for him to deal with as he sees fit.

Lotus also posted these private emails on the Support The Troops thread at GU where Randall is the sole moderator.

If you are reading here at LL, I am truly sorry, Sue for misjudging the situation and you. I am truly sorry for my words regarding you in this email. In defending Lotus I was following my value system as I felt things were at that time.

I have emailed Lotus only a very few times, maybe 3 but Lotus certainly isn't going to post the nice emails I sent her. That would not serve her manipulative purposes.

posted September 29, 2007 01:07 PM         

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Actually I now see that I was wrong about SueG. It was not entirely her all that time and I would like to publically, on the forums of LL here, apologize to SueG for misunderstanding her. I feel bad that I sat back and let her be victimized to the point that she left LL and has not returned. I feel bad that I misjudged her and that she was being harassed and manipulated into arguments at LL.
In these private emails to Lotus actually Zala and myself were supporting her at the time when she was under attack and people were asking that she banned for life from LL. At that same time I also went into a thread where SueG's friends, people that I genuinely liked, were ganging up on her and I supported her there as well because I never liked to see any one person ganged up on by a group. Lotus knows these things. God knows these things. I risked having people that I considered friends and who I liked very much turn against me in supporting Lotus. You can see how being kind to Lotus is appreciated.

That is all that Zala and I were doing. SueG is not here to defend herself so it's very wrong to continue bringing her up on the boards of LL.

That's all these emails were about. Supporting Lotus. But we are guilty for misunderstanding SueG and saying the things we did about her in these emails.

This is an invasion of the privacy of Zala and myself by posting private emails and dragging up things from the past when people made mistakes in an attempt to say, "There that is the type of person these people really are."

I am not going to close or delete any more posts of Lotus. The matter has been turned over to Randall, the site administrator, for him to deal with as he sees fit.

Lotus also posted these private emails on the Support The Troops thread at GU where Randall is the sole moderator.

If you are reading here at LL, I am truly sorry, Sue for misjudging the situation and you. I am truly sorry for my words regarding you in this email. In defending Lotus I was following my value system as I felt things were at that time.

I have emailed Lotus only a very few times, maybe 3 but Lotus certainly isn't going to post the nice emails I sent her. That would not serve her manipulative purposes.

This is the last I intend to say on the matter. It's in Randall's hands now. I have nothing to defend to anyone. But I do feel that SueG deserves an apology.

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It's truly amazing Mirandee how much you like to start trouble yourself. Did you really think twice before writing that?
I had a lot respect for you but I don't know if I do anymore. You seem to turn your back on those who truly cared for you. I stand for what I said, just like you say Lotus had no right to post private e-mails you had no right to attack Fayte in a public forum telling her how you really felt about her when it could've been in private, and this is even knowing Fayte hasn't been feeling well (and you were her friend).

Zala had the honesty to admit what she wrote, instead you twist and turn to fit your own agenda, and this is coming from a person who is older and wiser

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posted September 29, 2007 12:22 PM
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Just signed on.....
Wow, what on Earth happened here last night??
First, I apologize to lotus for whatever I did that was hurtful and prompted the exposure of private emails.
I stand by my PRIVATE thoughts, and even though I would rather not have them publicly displayed, so be it. I've learned my lesson about supporting people behind the scenes -- guess I just won't do it anymore.

Second, I tender a general apology to anyone else who might have been upset by any of my actions. Perhaps, if everyone learned something about their fellow human spirits by this rampage thru FFA, there will be a positive outcome for everyone.

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I've been curious for quite a while why you call it "telethapy" instead of "telepathy"?? Figured you must have a creative reason for doing so

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posted September 29, 2007 01:13 PM         

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Actually I now see that I was wrong about SueG. ...Mirandee

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posted September 29, 2007 01:13 PM         

Admin - is the person people need to talk to. If anyone have issues with the moderating ability of a person, contact admin, posting on open boards in-effect disrupts. I know for sure that there are lot of members, who despise the mmud slinging in here (I am a part of the slinging team too), but I believe it is high time Randall steps in.

posted September 29, 2007 01:18 PM         

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She left because she was caught lying to and about silverstone and started a few attack threads to attack them and paint silverstone out as a monster, just because he gave her a tarot card reading she did not like.
And she lied to Lotus about her sex threads being deleted. She pulled that on me too.
I do not see why this needs aired again and I can only guess at Mirandee's ulterior motives for trying to stir up old troubles.

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Mirandee did not bring up the subject of SueG....it was Lotus who rehashed the shiite when posting those private emails. I don't even want to get into that subject but Mirandee has had a change of heart...so what?

posted September 29, 2007 01:18 PM         

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I do not see why this needs aired again and I can only guess at Mirandee's ulterior motives for trying to stir up old troubles

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This is up to the people involved but my own opinion is : "if I have a problem with someone then bring it on, let's face it and let's stop the insanity, so it will finally reach it's peak and stop."

If you have a clean concious then you shouldn't have a problem, let's practice for when the end of the world happens and we become telepathicly free (sorry i am not sure how to spell telephacticly????) LOL
When I say "you" I mean in a general way, everyone and all.

ok, guys sh*t can you pick a better day to do this? I am suppose to be studying for my icense and it is due by tomorrow! I have 30 hours of reading ahead of me, so come on bring it all out, someone else act as a referee , someone outside of the problem and let's have some peace.... there is a lot of work to do with the rest of the world and we need to start here (obvioulsy)

posted September 29, 2007 01:31 PM         

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But what is really bugging me is that people who used to be GREAT friends on here are now at eachother's throats. Did I miss something while on vacay/hiatus coz its not making sense to me here.

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NAM...
Yes it is private but Mirandee as with Solane and Sue in the past could not be bothered to
keep it that way.
I do know why those three did and are doing what they did. And they are not innocent.
But that is no one heres business including yours.
And Mirandee should know better. And I wish Lotus had not fell for her baiting to fight.

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There is an awful lot of things on this thread that shouldn't have been brought up and said, Fayte. You brought up and said many of them.

I am not going to address anything here but to say that there is far more going on here than just a misunderstanding. You and I in our friendship have had misunderstandings in the past but not like this. Not with the snide remarks and presenting things on the threads regarding me that you know, or at least should know by now, not to be true.

We always worked out any misunderstandings we have had in the past in private in emails off the boards. You chose not to do that this time. Instead you chose to dissect and disagree with everything I say in my posts and make snide and untrue remarks, twisting and distorting things I have said in discussions in the past on other threads to make them out to be something they were not. Am I annoyed by this? You bet! I have too much self-respect to allow anyone to do that to me. I am not really that thinned skinned that I am overly sensitive but I am also hurt by it coming from someone I thought to be a friend.

That Star has perceived that to be a pattern that she has seen repeatedly in the past with another knowflake here at LL is not just her imagination. I have felt and thought the same thing and it has caused me to wonder and also come to understand and realize how that other knowflake must have felt being on the receiving end of that. Not that she didn't do it to you as well. In all fairness you both made each other out to be the monster. It has caused me to question a lot of things, Fayte. Knowing your mistrust of others I will empatically state and would swear on a stack of bibles up to the heavens that I have not talked to Star about any of this or brought up the correlation of this other knowflake and your behavior towards her. I am telling you this because I know it is what you will immediately think and once you think it to be that way no matter what anyone says that is the way it will be. But I did not say anything to Star about it and yet we perceived the same thing. The same pattern. You might give it some thought as to why we both perceived it that way.

There is more behind your behavior lately on and off the boards of LL, Fayte than just a misunderstanding over a thread and what each other is saying. With me it is not so much what you are saying but how you word it. Frankly your wording has been rather cold, Fayte. More like I was a stranger you are talking to rather than a friend. Which is why you got the same reponse in return.

You have a burr up your butt over something regarding me and you have no desire to work it out in private with me which just tells me that you don't value my friendship very much to want to take the time to do that. Which to me means you never were a true friend anyway so I have lost nothing. I was a true friend to you. I have never been dishonest or deceptive with you in any way. I have never done anything that would cause you to mistrust me. I have listened to your problems, been there for you through all your hurts and anger and ALWAYS been honest with you in every way.

I have not contacted you in private either because of your behavior towards me on the boards here at LL. The message I got was that you had no desire to work out any misunderstandings in private and if you don't care enough to make the effort why should I? Especially since without trust there can be no friendship. Trust is the basis of true friendship and any other type of relationship. Once that is destroyed in any way the friendship can never be the same. That you have treated me this way on the boards of LL has destroyed the trust I placed in you, Fayte. I can no longer trust your actions or what you say to me as a friend. I can no longer feel that it is real and honest and not just empty words. I can no longer just be myself with you and let things flow naturally. Trust is necessary to continue on a friendship. Maybe that is what your problem is, Fayte. Your inability to truly trust others no matter what they say or how loyal to you they are or how much they have cared about and always been there for you. Maybe that lack of trust and faith in others is what sabotages your friendships.

I haven't got a clue what put the burr up your butt but I have my thoughts on what it is. I am not going to bring that up on the boards of LL. I wouldn't do that to you on the boards of LL, Fayte because it is only my perception since you have ceased to be honest and forthright in private with me preferring instead to do these things on the boards of LL.

I choose my friends. I choose who I think is trustworthy and honest. Those are the only people that I care to have in my life. Those are the only people who will remain in my life and to whom I will forever be a loyal friend. I have one friend who I have known from Jr. High school, who was maid of honor at my wedding and she and I are still friends to this day. She and I have had our disagreements off and on through our friendship and we always worked them out because we both valued the friendship. It takes both friends who value the friendship enough to do that. She is a Taurus too so maybe it is just that taurean loyalty at work in our friendship.

At any rate, sad to say, I don't see that loyalty and devotion to the friendship on your part, Fayte. From what I have seen lately our friendship for over a year has been basically meaningless to you. You could not be this cold to someone you actually cared about. It certainly does not appear worth enough to you to make any effort at reconciliation of differences and not worth enough to respect and care for the feelings of that friend enough to not do these things on public forums. I apologized on this thread. You said you accepted then preceeded to coldly and systematically dissect my post and continue on to twist and distort the meaning of things I said. I would have gladly been willing to work things out with you in private, Fayte and come to an understanding. But your actions on the boards here on not just this thread but others told me you had no desire to do that. It certainly would have been the adult way of doing things. Unlike this. Even in your last post here you continued on with the snide remarks. It is the second reference you have made to my being a mod here at FFA. In the first one you told me I could delete your post if I wanted to. Like I would do that as a moderator or as a human being just because I did not like what you said to me. The last snide remark you threw in here was to state " what I am allowed to say." Have no clue what that meant except to to think it referred to censorship which I also would not do as a moderator or a human being. If I'm misunderstanding what you say perhaps you should make yourself more clear.

I have lived long enough to be able to sum up life in three words...it goes on. I wish you only the best things in life, Fayte. But there would always be tension in our friendship after this and I feel it is time to cut ties because what kind of friendship would it be without mutual trust?

It was your choice not to want to work things out in private and do it this way on the forums of LL instead so it is now my choice to end it this way on the public forums. All the best to you.

I do have a request for you, Star. Could you please edit out the name of the other knowflake to protect her privacy since she is not here to speak for herself? I just don't feel that is fair to her and that if someone is not here to speak for themselves it is only right not to bring up their name on the boards. Thanks in advance.

Now for the sake of others on the forums here at FFA who don't deserve to be subjected to the drama it is time to end that too.

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Yes it is private but Mirandee as with Solane and Sue in the past could not be bothered to
keep it that way.
I do know why those three did and are doing what they did. And they are not innocent.
But that is no one heres business including yours.
And Mirandee should know better. And I wish Lotus had not fell for her baiting to fight

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Of course is not of my business and I don't want it to be but obvioulsy the problem has escalated so much that the people in power are using it to delete posts and threads that should not be deleted just to make themselves look better, and I am not having none of that, if you are such a big girl/boy to get involved in some type of gossiping that is hurting others then be big enough to face the consequences and face the rest of the population, in this case the board population.

Do you think I like to come to a place where I think I am talking to adults and want to share my ideas as how the world should be or is when the same people can not have the dignity of standing by their words, what good does it do if people write something in here as their truth and then they go behind doors to show a different face?

The issue in itself is not my business you are right but the consequences of it will sure be my business because I share a board with of all you and I would not want at some point in life to be talked behind my back and disrespected.

You see my point now?
And this is besides the fact that I get sick of the pollution of negativity in the boards.As I said there are more productive issues we can be using our energy at this point.Like my course right now....but instead I am stil coming in here trying to make some sense of something you guys should be making sense of it on your own.