posted September 30, 2007 10:03 AM         

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Holy crap.

Stalker alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's pretty spooky Lotus. Maybe someone received a reading they couldn't face the truth about and are now holding a grudge?

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posted September 30, 2007 10:32 AM         

United we stand , divided we fall????

posted September 30, 2007 10:36 AM         

On the same level, ask yourself a society without rules, regulations and laws?

posted September 30, 2007 10:47 AM         

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That's too bad.
I really don't think is right to banned people but this is not my board.
All of the sudden I feel sick of this place.

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We Mods are charged with upholding Randall's rules. If you think banning exceptionally offensive people is wrong, then please take it up with Randall. Also please note that the following is what we all agreed to when we registered:

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posted September 30, 2007 10:52 AM         

I am sorry I am not against anyone here but it seems very unilateral to me, remember I am a third party in here that has no business in the matter (the problem itself) but I am part of it now because I am a board member and I am only witnessing part of it, from my judgmental point of view it seems unfair.

And I don't like unfair, I wish to keep coming here but my views of the place will change greatly if I think there are favoritism's.
Do you understand where I am coming from?

People should be exonerated(all of them) yes, but they should have a choice to redeem themselves

posted September 30, 2007 11:00 AM         

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I understand a society without laws would not work but this is were we need to stay away from being tyrants with our authority and give the person (people) the choice of redeeming themselves and apologize to each other, not only this but the punishment should be the same for all parties.

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posted September 30, 2007 11:01 AM         

There are lot of things that goes behind the scenes, like as a moderator of a few other forums, there are instances where a member posts some inflamatory remarks, the moderators promptly removes it. Now some members might have seen that post, some maynot have, and the member who actually created the trouble, would go on a rampage saying their posts were deleted etc etc etc. Ironically, some members will sympathize with them - mostly because they have not seen the real post that was removed, and start asuming things. People gang up, and eventually the whole board collapse in no time. What is not a contribution to the main philosophy of a board should not stay...... that is my take on it, and that is how all the online forums work.

Relate it as an illness to our own body. The disease causing organism should be removed to regain health, else it all collapse.

(this is merely an analogy, in our case, it could be a post, or a thread, or a member who is not in the right frame of mind for various reasons)

posted September 30, 2007 11:04 AM         

I am not about to start a fight about who is wrong and who is right, I understand Lotus was out of line and I also understand authority was used for the priviledge of one side, this is what bothers me the most.
I guess I just have an issue with authority used in poor ways.

This is why I say, all must pay, and if they are smart they would just stop the non-sense and forgive each other.
I mean seriously, what can be more important that friendship? but as I said before I might just be a dreamer and I live in a world perhaps I just don't belong.
This whole thing seems useless and a waste of energy to me.

Just so you know too I have e-mailed Lotus and gave her my opnion about this fiasco,in other words I told her I didn't think insulting was right, so I am not just coming down on you guys, I have done the same with all parties.So, no I am not taking sides.
In the other hand I have been closest to otus lately so as I said I do understand her point of view.

Tough in deed.

posted September 30, 2007 11:06 AM         

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I am ony one person.
I don't really count.

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posted September 30, 2007 11:08 AM         

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PS: How's the studying going??

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You just made me laugh! ...
sh*t! not so good, you guys are keeping me from studying, my dead line is tonight at midnight, it is done on line so I have flexibility but is the same flexibility that is keeping me pre-occupied with other things.
I will finish though don't worry, I got and A on one of my tests last night , made me feel good

posted September 30, 2007 11:14 AM         

Nelly, I think there is something you should be aware of you if already aren't. That is that lotusheartone has, I believe, been banned before. She has also been warned many times, been given much benefit of the doubt, and many chances to change her behavior. In fact, I don't know of another case here (and it may just be my ignorance) where a member was given so many opportunities to modify their behavior to acceptable standards according to the policies of this site.

All that said, Randall is very tolerant, forgiving and understanding regarding our outbursts and general diplomatic failings at times. Perhaps that is why you see "favortism" in that not everyone is banned for what may be the same kind of offense. It may be because people are generally given warnings/opportunities to change ... and perhaps you are not realizing the sheer number/percentage of offenses made by one person as compared to others here.

As mods, (and certainly Randall as the admin) a lot of us have stuck our necks out to try to be fair towards individuals who slip up now and again, including lotusheartone. If someone behaving nastily isn't banned, one handful of people may cry injustice. If that person is banned after repeated opportunities to change, another handful of people may cry injustice. I don't see a way to please everybody while trying to retain reasonable standards of behavior at this site.

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In fact, I don't know of another case here (and it may just be my ignorance) where a member was given so many opportunities to modify their behavior to acceptable standards according to the policies of this site.

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posted September 30, 2007 11:20 AM         

In the end though we all loose a bit.

posted September 30, 2007 11:35 AM         

I do think you are quite eloquent and have a wonderful gift for communicating with people. Thankfully, you're not as long-winded as I tend to be, either... and you're also an exceptionally clear and pleasant read even in difficult times. I may Rock but you Mountain.

I have my suspicions about that person, also. We'll see how it plays out. But if it is the same person, yet again, she hasn't actually been allowed to return but is merely exploiting the system. I don't know why it may be hard to understand that if you are banned then you, as a person, are banned ... not just your "username". And it takes a lot to get there.

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posted September 30, 2007 12:50 PM         

she was genuinely apologetic the last time she returned and apologized to people in the forums, after she asked Randall to let her return.

if she is sorry again, i'm sure that she can do the same. banning is only taken as a measure to prohibit a person's unacceptable behavior while it continues unabted.

i do fervently wish that Lotus will take some breathing time, and try to resolve these issues through private email. and then return soon.

posted September 30, 2007 01:16 PM         

If you notice, the people here who get insulted, violated, or harrassed, are the first ones to forgive. Many people here are very spiritual, but it doesn't give liberty to those that are a little behind on their respective spiritual paths, to freely attack and insult others.

It seems that the manners, customs and respect we give one another in real life, face to face, in live conversations, seem to get neglected here.

Thanks for listening.

posted September 30, 2007 01:52 PM         

Here's a cutie. Now everyone get to a fussin' and a feudin'.

posted September 30, 2007 02:34 PM         

NAM,

I would also add that, although people on all "sides" have cast stones, there is no double standard here, - not just for the reasons mentioned by zala, eleanore, and naiad, but - because the degree of lotus' offense was significantly greater. She called people the "b" word and the "c" word, and posted private emails. She cast insults in all directions, at anyone who even politely disagreed with her. She began entire threads with the intention to tar and feather other board members. She made paranoid, utterly unfounded accusations concerning the off-line behavior of anyone who contradicted her; saying that people were involved in secret societies, or emotionally abused their children. These offenses are, as far as I know, all unique to her.

This is a public forum, and, like any public establishment, a person is not free to waltz in and abuse the people present. The kind of permissiveness you seem to advocate would very quickly result in an atmosphere of intimidation and ego-tripping, in which only people of a low vibration would want to spend time. We are not here to cater to anyone's fantastic delusions of grandeur, or to suffer their abuse as some kind of ascetic mission or penance. That just sets a low standard and enables people to give their lowest impulses free reign. It does an injustice to everyone involved.

posted September 30, 2007 06:39 PM         

Posting someone else's personal/private e-mails to you is wrong,
She had this done to her and maybe figured whats fair is fair.
I don't know. I can't speak for lotus

This incident should serve as a reminder to those who talk about others in e-mails that sooner or later this stuff always comes to light.
Then there are hurt feelings.

From now on,
If you can't say something nice
have some class and don't say anything at all.

posted September 30, 2007 08:11 PM         

They were freakin threatening her and sending e-mails to her!

If anything they were wrong!

You people are weirdos. When your friends kill someone........it's okay dear.