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Swerve
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posted October 03, 2007 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swerve     Edit/Delete Message
Hi HSC, long time no chat.

Hope all is well with you.

You just recognise the patterns here after a while don't you?

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miss_muffet
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posted October 03, 2007 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
If everyone STOP bringing up quotes from posts previous to the current topic, everything would be fine.

MM

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NAM
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posted October 03, 2007 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
ok Mirandee, I have to go to work, but I read that article and isn't that what I have been saying all along?

I said that the world starts with "me", in other words, the same thing your article says, you can't blame other people for your happiness and you must be responsible for your actions.You, each person at the time.But one thing you guys are not ralizing is that, yes you are responsible for your own truths, your own behaviour but you do live in a society and you are going to reflect that into the community.
No, I don't think anyone else is responsible for my own happiness, no I don't blame my other and my father for the things they didn't teach me...etc.(which a lot of people do) take my brother for example, he had a problem with drugs, I don't.Can I blame my parents for that? NO! no I can not, I am responsible for my actions

Now consider this:
LL is a reflection of the world.A small community.If everyone takes the words above as a guide and really are responsible for their actions and are careful of the consequences of those,then we end up with a more peaceful setting at LL.

You can take the same principal and apply it to the rest of the world, your result will be the same in a major scale.

So, let's go a little bit deeper, if I am a member of this society and I have a problem with a person or think someone has done me wrong, wouldn't and shouldn't I go to that person and fix that problem instead of bringing in more people and talking behind that person's back and making it a bigger issue that will explode one day, sooner or later because this is what we do, "we can't keep litte secrets to ourselves".

^BTW, that is just a random example, I am not saying that anyone is doing it or pointing fingers.All I know in my end is that there are many people here that don't get along with othes and it blows my mind away as of why, why can be so important?

I feel I am going in circles here
, it seems so easy to figure out from my end.
Is anybody out there understanding where I am coming from?
maybe I have truely lost it


But,I need to go.

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NAM
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posted October 03, 2007 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
Swerve...do you think I am fighting a lost battle?

in a way...

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Lialei
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posted October 03, 2007 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
well said, Swerve,
in the flowing cycles of the Tao.
Everything is always in movement to the next and has its place and purpose in time.
I always appreciate your still, wise voice.

And Stephen, rather than bump the other thread again with a disrespectful title I'd rather not, I need to tell you...you once again touch my heart.
In the midst of chaos, your eloquent noble heart and Utopian Grace is a balm to all troubled spirits in need (mine very much).
Gentle, Gifted Sage Poet, I love you and admire you so.

Mirandee and Zala,
the responsibility you take on here is a amazing....I watch as you summon a grace and control in one challenging situation after another.
Perhaps if any of us could place our Selves in yours for just a moment, we might realize with wonder and awe, all you overcome, learn and strive.

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Lialei
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posted October 03, 2007 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
If any of us could for even a moment, place ourselves in another's experience...wonder on the complications, the stress, the feelings...how many terrible outcomes might be avoided? Lack of empathy for another is the cause of all collapse. If you're going to only make effort to see one side, you are ultimately dismissing the other and destroying hope of betterment and understanding.
I'm always working on this as well.

I wish I had more time...
I'm without internet right now and just here for a moment.

I hear a lot of "laugh it off", "forgive",
"it's only the internet"...
I can't imagine such a life so devoid of feeling. And even if it hurts, I'd rather feel as deeply as I can while I can. Who is to say? Who is to know?
What gives us the right to judge another's journey or tell them how to react from experience? To condemn people for being human?
If this is just an illusion...it's deeply Real to us in this now.
If you're going to make great effort to understand why someone lashes out as they do...try to make equal effort to understand the place of the other who's left to take it in.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 03, 2007 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Knowflakes,


The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the Tao.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete,
everybody will respect you.

Fill your bowl to the brim
and it will spill.
Keep sharpening your knife
and it will blunt.
Chase after money and security
and your heart will never unclench.
Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner.

Do your work, then step back.
The only path to serenity.

...

Can you love people and lead them
without imposing your will?
Can you deal with the most vital matters
by letting events take their course?
Can you step back from your own mind
and thus understand all things?

...

Do you have the patience to wait
till your mud settles and the water is clear?
Can you remain unmoving
till the right action arises by itself?

...

Empty your mind of all thoughts.
Let your heart be at peace.
Watch the turmoil of beings,
but contemplate their return.

Each separate being in the universe
returns to the common source.
Returning to the source is serenity.

If you don't realize the source,
you stumble in confusion and sorrow.
When you realize where you come from,
you naturally become tolerant,
disinterested, amused,
kindhearted as a grandmother,
dignified as a king.
Immersed in the wonder of the Tao,
you can deal with whatever life brings you,
and when death comes, you are ready.

...

If you want to become whole,
let yourself be partial.
If you want to become straight,
let yourself be crooked.
If you want to become full,
let yourself be empty.
If you want to be reborn,
let yourself die.
If you want to be given everything,
give everything up.

The Master, by residing in the Tao,
sets an example for all beings.
Because she doesn't display herself,
people can see her light.
Because she has nothing to prove,
people can trust her words.
Because she doesn't know who she is,
people recognize themselves in her.
Because she has no goal in mind,
everything she does succeeds.

...

He who stands on tiptoe
doesn't stand firm.
He who rushes ahead
doesn't go far.
He who tries to shine
dims his own light.
He who defines himself
can't know who he really is.
He who has power over others
can't empower himself.
He who clings to his work
will create nothing that endures.

If you want to accord with the Tao,
just do your job, then let go.

...

The Master does his job
and then stops.
He understands that the universe
is forever out of control,
and that trying to dominate events
goes against the current of the Tao.
Because he believes in himself,
he doesn't try to convince others.
Because he is content with himself,
he doesn't need others' approval.
Because he accepts himself,
the whole world accepts him.

...

Weapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.

Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?

He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.

...

The Master doesn't try to be powerful;
thus he is truly powerful.
The ordinary man keeps reaching for power;
thus he never has enough.

The Master does nothing,
yet he leaves nothing undone.
The ordinary man is always doing things,
yet many more are left to be done.

...

Thus it is said:
The path into the light seems dark,
the path forward seems to go back,
the direct path seems long,
true power seems weak,
true purity seems tarnished,
true steadfastness seems changeable,
true clarity seems obscure,
the greatest art seems unsophisticated,
the greatest love seems indifferent,
the greatest wisdom seems childish.

The Tao is nowhere to be found.
Yet it nourishes and completes all things.

...

The Master allows things to happen.
She shapes events as they come.
She steps out of the way
and lets the Tao speak for itself.

...

In pursuit of knowledge,
every day something is added.
In the practice of the Tao,
every day something is dropped.
Less and less do you need to force things,
until finally you arrive at non-action.
When nothing is done,
nothing is left undone.

True mastery can be gained
by letting things go their own way.
It can't be gained by interfering.

...

If you want to be a great leader,
you must learn to follow the Tao.
Stop trying to control.
Let go of fixed plans and concepts,
and the world will govern itself.

The more prohibitions you have,
the less virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have,
the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have,
the less self-reliant people will be.

Therefore the Master says:
I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.

...

Thus the Master is content
to serve as an example
and not to impose her will.
She is pointed, but doesn't pierce.
Straightforward, but supple.
Radiant, but easy on the eyes.

...

Governing a large country
is like frying a small fish.
You spoil it with too much poking.

Center your country in the Tao
and evil will have no power.
Not that it isn't there,
but you'll be able to step out of its way.

Give evil nothing to oppose
and it will disappear by itself.

...

A great man considers those who point out his faults
as his most benevolent teachers.
He thinks of his enemy
as the shadow that he himself casts.

...

Act without doing;
work without effort.
Think of the small as large
and the few as many.
Confront the difficult
while it is still easy;
accomplish the great task
by a series of small acts.

The Master never reaches for the great;
thus she achieves greatness.
When she runs into a difficulty,
she stops and gives herself to it.
She doesn't cling to her own comfort;
thus problems are no problem for her.

...

Prevent trouble before it arises.
Put things in order before they exist.
The giant pine tree
grows from a tiny sprout.
The journey of a thousand miles
starts from beneath your feet.

Rushing into action, you fail.
Trying to grasp things, you lose them.
Forcing a project to completion,
you ruin what was almost ripe.

Therefore the Master takes action
by letting things take their course.
He remains as calm
at the end as at the beginning.
He has nothing,
thus has nothing to lose.
What he desires is non-desire;
what he learns is to unlearn.
He simply reminds people
of who they have always been.
He cares about nothing but the Tao.
Thus he can care for all things.

The ancient Masters
didn't try to educate the people,
but kindly taught them to not-know.

When they think that they know the answers,
people are difficult to guide.
When they know that they don't know,
people can find their own way.

...

All streams flow to the sea
because it is lower than they are.
Humility gives it its power.

If you want to govern the people,
you must place yourself below them.
If you want to lead the people,
you must learn how to follow them.

The Master is above the people,
and no one feels oppressed.
She goes ahead of the people,
and no one feels manipulated.
The whole world is grateful to her.
Because she competes with no one,
no one can compete with her.

...

The best athlete
wants his opponent at his best.
The best general
enters the mind of his enemy.
The best businessman
serves the communal good.
The best leader
follows the will of the people.

All of them embody
the virtue of non-competition.
Not that they don't love to compete,
but they do it in the spirit of play.
In this they are like children
and in harmony with the Tao.

...

When two great forces oppose each other,
the victory will go
to the one that knows how to yield.

...

My teachings are easy to understand
and easy to put into practice.
Yet your intellect will never grasp them,
and if you try to practice them, you'll fail.

...

Men are born soft and supple;
dead, they are stiff and hard.
Plants are born tender and pliant;
dead, they are brittle and dry.

Thus whoever is stiff and inflexible
is a disciple of death.
Whoever is soft and yielding
is a disciple of life.

The hard and stiff will be broken.
The soft and supple will prevail.

...

Nothing in the world
is as soft and yielding as water.
Yet for dissolving the hard and inflexible,
nothing can surpass it.

The soft overcomes the hard;
the gentle overcomes the rigid.
Everyone knows this is true,
but few can put it into practice.

Therefore the Master remains
serene in the midst of sorrow.
Evil cannot enter his heart.
Because he has given up helping,
he is people's greatest help.

True words seem paradoxical.


~ Lao Tzu
The Tao Te Ching
http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html

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Mirandee
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posted October 03, 2007 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Some very good thoughts here.

I agree, Swerve. If you are at LL long enough you see the patterns. However, it's far more important that we see our own patterns of behavior rather than the behavior patterns of others. It's more important that we come to know those patterns that we all have and work on changing ourselves.

There is no place like LL to have other people point out our behavior patterns to us in conflicts. LOL But instead of cursing that and them for doing so we should bless them for pointing it out to us. Because it is easier to see the faults of others and their behavior patterns to realize our own and admit our own. God works in mysterious ways and he works often through the words of others.

Though we should all practice on saying what we mean without saying it mean.

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Solane Star
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posted October 03, 2007 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
"The well of Providence is deep. It’s the buckets we bring to it that are small."

-- Mary Webb

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 03, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Lia.
I like what you wrote, too.

Mirandee,
Thank you for your comments on that other thread.


Swerve,


I'm well, thank you.

You sound well yourself.

quote:
You just recognise the patterns here after a while don't you?

What else is there? The egos? HA!

Just the patterns,
the same lessons,
eternally recurring.

Same shite, different knowflake.
Same knowflake, different shite.
Same shite, same knowflake.
Different shite, different knowflake...
how many ways can we mix it up? LOL

We have to laugh at ourselves, I guess.
And have patience with ourselves,
and have patience with one another.
But never laugh at your friend's nose!
Or something.

peace out!!!

hsc

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Mirandee
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posted October 03, 2007 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
If everyone STOP bringing up quotes from posts previous to the current topic, everything would be fine.
MM

That's very true, MM. But it's something that some people do in offline life too. We drag up every mistake, every past word that others say and use it to label them and say, " See, that's the kind of person you really are!!" No, what I may have thought or said in the past I no longer think that way. No, it's how I was in that moment of weakness or a year or so ago. Not how I am now.

When we all may appear to contradict ourselves at times. In both our words and our actions. In our actions because we are all weak, imperfect human beings who may know that right things to do but often in any given situation don't do the things we know to be right.

In our words because that just reflects our thinking process. It reflects outwardly what we may be rethinking inwardly.

It's restrictive of others to hold them to one moment or moments in time and to label their character based on any given moment of weakness when they failed to meet up to our expectations of them. It does not allow others the same space, time and room to grow and change as we give ourselves.

Some people around LL seem to forgive the frequent offenders easier than they do others who make mistakes or show anger at any given time. Why is that? I think it's because we tend to expect more out some people than we do others. That is restrictive to the person you expect more out of when we all make mistakes.

It's true what Pid said in so many words. Give us your thoughts and opinions on different subjects but we aren't really interested in your thoughts and opinions about us. Not if we are being real anyway. Not if we don't have some false image we have created and are protecting. The reason we are not interested in your opinion of us as a person is because your expectations and images of what sort of person we are does not define us. We don't have to live up to anyone's expectations of us.

People who do that to others is because they have their own inner judge who judges and criticizes everything they say and do so they do that to other people. Don't place any expectations on yourself and judge yourself or your actions as good or bad and you won't be doing that to others.

Just be what you are in the moment and let others be what they are. That gives not only ourselves room to grow and change it does the same for others.

One of our biggest problems in life is that we take ourselves, other people and the world in general waaaaaay too seriously. Laugh at your own follies, laugh at the follies of others and laugh at the follies of the world. It's all quite ironic you know.

Try to change ourselves. That is all we can do. But in the process don't take it all so damn seriously. It takes the fun out of life. Everything has a purpose.

I throw my thoughts and opinions out there but they are just what they are, at this time in my life. If we are growing and learning we are constantly changing. So are our thoughts and opinions. You know, "opinions are like anuses. We all have them." We should share them but if we do - expect that someone else is going to disagree with them. Someone else is not going to see things the way we do. Which is good and it is how we learn. But if you want everyone to agree with you all the time don't give your thoughts and opinions because it isn't going to happen.

Look at the obvious here. Through this recent conflict we are all contributing our thoughts and opinions on it and we are all learning in the process. That's why conflict is the best teacher. Another thing, in doing this we are drawing closer together as an online community of very divergent people with very divergent thoughts and opinions and beliefs.

It doesn't get any better than that and that is the good that can come from conflict. It's up to us. We can use conflict as a means to divide or we can use it as a means to unite. We can use conflict as a means to hold grudges against others or we can use that conflict to grow closer and see where we may have placed our own unfounded images and expectations on each other.

Live, Love and Laugh. Life is too short to take everything and ourselves so damn seriously. The most spiritual men and women I have ever met laugh and laugh often. It's not that they deny the realities of life or that their spiritual growth is not a very meaningful thing to them it's just that it makes them very happy just being alive and on the journey. Accepting all things for just what they are and knowing that everything has a purpose in the whole scheme of the universe and life itself.

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miss_muffet
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posted October 03, 2007 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
No, what I may have thought or said in the past I no longer think that way. No, it's how I was in that moment of weakness or a year or so ago. Not how I am now.

This is exactly what I am trying to say. Sometimes, I look back at my previous posts and think to myself... OMG, did I really say that? That's not how I feel NOW. But I didn't lie then, which means, I CHANGED. My outlook in life changed. My opinions on the subject at hand changed.

This is especially true for some of us who's been here at LL for a while. I know I am not constant. I am always changing. Heck... I have been through - Budhism, Catholicism, Christianity, and now am Agnostic. All in 9 years. I am not the same person I was last week, let alone last year.

Thank you for putting what I am thinking in writing.


MM


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posted October 03, 2007 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

"And they did not know how to love their god except by crucifying man."

~ Nietzsche

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posted October 03, 2007 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Verily, I do not like them,
the merciful who feel blessed in their pity:
they are lacking too much in shame.
If I must pity, at least I do not want it known;
and if I do pity, it is preferably from a distance.

...Verily, I may have done this or that for sufferers;
but always I seemed to have done better when I learned to feel better joys.
As long as there have been men, man has felt too little joy;
that alone, my brothers, is our original sin.
And learning better to feel joy,
we learn best not to hurt others
or to plan hurts for them.

...Having seen the sufferer suffer,
I was ashamed for the sake of his shame;
and when I helped him,
I transgressed grievously against his pride.

Great indebtedness does not make men grateful, but vengeful;
and if a little charity is not forgotten, it turns into a gnawing worm.

... But I am a giver of gifts: I like to give, as a friend to friends.
Strangers, however, and the poor may themselves pluck the fruit from my tree:
that will cause them less shame.

But beggars should be abolished entirely!
Verily, it is annoying to give to them,
and it is annoying not to give to them.

And also sinners and bad consciences!
Believe me, my friends:
the bite of conscience teaches men to bite.

... My brothers,
one knows a little too much about everybody.
And we can even see through some men
and yet we can by no means pass through them.

It is difficult to live with people
because it is so difficult to be silent.
And not against him who is repugnant to us are we most unfair,
but against him who is no concern of ours.

But if you have a suffering friend,
be a resting place for his suffering,
but a hard bed as it were, a field cot;
thus will you profit him best.

And if a friend does you evil, then say:
"I forgive you what you did to me;
but that you have done it to yourself-
how could I forgive that?"
Thus speaks all great love:
it overcomes even forgiveness and pity.


- Nietzsche
"On the Pitying"
(Thus Spoke Zarathustra)

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posted October 03, 2007 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for posting that, HSC. I really like what it said. Especially liked this part:

quote:
...Verily, I may have done this or that for sufferers;
but always I seemed to have done better when I learned to feel better joys.
As long as there have been men, man has felt too little joy;
that alone, my brothers, is our original sin.
And learning better to feel joy,
we learn best not to hurt others
or to plan hurts for them.


I like Nietzsche's quote too:

"And they did not know how to love their god except by crucifying man."
~ Nietzsche

So true. And in many ways they are still doing that.


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posted October 03, 2007 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message
Question: do some of you all hang out and know each other off line? Like run into each other out in the world and converse face to face or attend certain gatherings? are some of you all neighbors or students together? while I think that would be very nice of course, the idea sorta gets me feeling like very much an out-side-her.
Also bringing up an off the wall memory of one thing i found bothersome-in a thread about past lives and remembering who wer were in them I was taking a serious look at the memories i had and being glad to share others memories about theirs because even at my age I do not know all I know- anyway that thread ended up being a bit of a ruckus with folks claiming they had been Cleopatra, the Pope, Queen Mab of the fairies, john Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, isis, Aphrodite, (not really but so it seemed) and on and on-for some reason i remember feeling a bit steamed. Maybe it was my Leo Asc realizing I just kept remembering being these folks that drowned instead of someone with grandeur and herstory! or maybe i was feeling the fool for sharing at all or for not claiming a more vaulted status (who would know after all?) Soon I felt like someone in a looney bin with several Cleopatras and other prominent folks to make pot holders with during arts and crafts even tho noone would ever let us use them on a real pot! i am not sure now where my rant is heading. Oh yeah, anyone not Cleo? and do you know each other socially (off LindLand?)
i guess what brought this on was in part Lotus' banning and getting some photos back from the lab where there was a photo of me looking just how i look- a middle aged woman thats been through the wringer-instead of the beautiful smart alec sweetie i once was.
It is nice to be accepted as i am. it is nice to be accepted for what i know and believe and nice to be accepted for some of the little gifts you all allow me to share. it is nice to accept your gifts of self in sharing. Also want to say to those able to stand up to things that stink here that i thank you even if you were Cleopatra once! LOL! I am going to walk to my supper now, take a break, feel the earth move under my skin and all-Love, tuxedo the word Rambler or my Indian name-"Huh? What in the world is she driving at now?"

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Azalaksh
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posted October 03, 2007 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
tuxie ~

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Mirandee
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posted October 03, 2007 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Tux, LOL

Well, Lialei and I hang out offline. She's my daughter.

I have met some very nice and wonderful people here at LL and do email them and sometimes talk on the phone. Would love to meet all of them in person. But haven't as yet.

If I had any past lives I am unaware of them but I doubt I would have been Cleopatra. Maybe one of her handmaids.

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angel_of_hope
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posted October 04, 2007 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know what transpired here, nor do i really care.

I just wanted to say to Lotus (if she's watching) that I will miss you dearly. You've been wonderful toward me in the past and i will never forget you. Thanks for everything friend.

ang-

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 04, 2007 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"In Hinduism,
Creator and Creation are no different.
The Creator is Creation.
It's divine power that we see in different forms.
The sea and the waves are not different.
Waves originate from the sea.
When a sculptor sees a stone,
he sees a statue in his mind, not a stone.
A bee sees honey, not the flower.
Thus I see God in everyone,
and love and help them."

~ Sri Mata Amritanandamayi (Amma)

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Mirandee
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