posted October 04, 2007 10:58 PM         

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Mannu wrote:
I don't want to call names because everyone here is a friend of mine in some ways. Well I can't say they are one of my best friends because I have never attached myself to those people. Call it cold or call it whatever, the loss of a friend is not my loss. Perhaps its not ur loss either. So why bear grudge. Let go!!!

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Mirandee wrote:
Mannu is talking about spiritual detachment

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posted October 04, 2007 11:13 PM         

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Count the number of times you got emotionally involved in something against your will and better judgment. How many times have you got angry, frustrated or disappointed? How many times have your moods swung high and low? Each time you told yourself that next time you will stay cool, and yet each time you forget what you said.

Life is like this. When it comes to your personal affairs, it is hard for you to be indifferent. You get involved, and this is quite natural, otherwise life would have been boring. Involvement makes life ticking and active.

Detachment is being cool and uninvolved on the emotional level. It is definitely not indifference. Indifferent people do not care, do not mind, and are not active and initiative. On the other hand, a detached person can be very active and caring, though he accepts calmly whatever happens.

If he cannot do or change something, it does not disturb his peace of mind. On the other hand, if he needs to do something, he will pursue it whole-heartedly. He will do everything needed to succeed. If it does not work out, he stays calm, and will either try again, or forget the matter easily and move to something else.

Every spiritual tradition speaks about detachment, but detachment cannot be confined only to spirituality. Detachment is important in daily life, in pursuit of ambitions, and on the spiritual path. It is of great importance to everyone, whether pursuing spirituality or material success.

Let me give you two examples of detachment, one on the spiritual path, and the other in daily ordinary life. A person who engages in meditation tries to quieten his mind during meditation and in his everyday life. If he gets emotionally involved with his thoughts, he follows them, forgets about his meditation and concentration, and loses his peace of mind.

On the other hand, the more detached he is, the easier it is for him to ignore disturbing thoughts. Detachment helps him to stay collected and concentrated.

When someone says to you something you do not like, you may become disappointed, angry, or feel down. Why is it so? Because you value other's people words and opinions, more than you value your thoughts and opinions of yourself. You let other's people thoughts, words and actions influence your happiness, actions and reactions. Your happiness and actions depend on them.

On the other hand, if you learn to stay detached, you may listen to what they say, but as if they are saying it about someone else. If they are right, you can benefit from what they say. If they are wrong, you go on with your life as if nothing was said.

Have you ever thought how much time and energy is wasted every day, over brooding on thoughts and feelings, because of the lack of detachment? Much of the anger, frustration, disappointments and fights come about because there is no detachment.

Detachment develops automatically, when one engages in meditation. It is a gradual automatic process. In meditation one endeavor not to follow the thoughts and feelings that rise. It is a time of a mental and emotional vacation. Meditating day after day develops the habit of staying cool and calm, not only during meditation, but also in all daily life.

If you practice any kind of meditation, sooner or later you will start to experience detachment. You will find that you feel and behave in a different way under circumstances that previously raised anger or agitation. You will find that you handle your daily affairs of life in a calm and relaxed way.

Real detachment means inner strength, and the ability to function calmly and with full inner control under all circumstances. A detached person is not harassed and hurried, and can do everything with concentration and attention, thus insuring a successful outcome of his actions.

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I like this article and I must admit I have done this before, I have dettached from people that I thought were at a lower level than me.(No I don't think I am God's gift on earth, I just know some people are at another level and well... yes usually I am right and they are wrong LOL)
But in my defense it has always been a morals and principals issue, and I just distance myself.Never ever would I discriminate any other way!
And those people are always welcome back in my life whenever they want to have a cordial conversation with me.

posted October 04, 2007 11:22 PM         

I too never heard of spiritual disattachment until today

Emotional detachment leads to Spiritual development, in my opinion.

I think thats the problem with many people I met here at LL. They all are always running. Intellectualizing things, and miss all the fun in the lesser details.

My advice - I think I did share a lot of where I come from (referring to Mirandee's irony in my her earlier response). May be she is defending her goof up. Please perform a search if u missed all that.

Hate to say it but people don't listen or have patience to listen. My master says one becomes enlightened just by listening truly.

The more an adult you are the least likely you are to listen , in my experience dealing with people. No wonder Jesus pointed to a kid and said be like them to enter the kingdom. Hehehe....

NAM this is not the right forum to share what we seek. I hang mostly on the universal forum

posted October 04, 2007 11:34 PM         

joining AG in an online hug of all LL patrons.

posted October 04, 2007 11:45 PM         

If Jesus said to be like a Child to enter Heaven, then he was referring to a childlike innocence or their ability to be open to wonder and goodness. He wasn't telling anyone to listen like a child, because children will tune out indiscriminately regardless how good the speaker's message may be.

The more adult you are the greater judgment you can use in deciding what you will give your attention to.

posted October 04, 2007 11:48 PM         

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Detachment is being cool and uninvolved on the emotional level. It is definitely not indifference. Indifferent people do not care, do not mind, and are not active and initiative. On the other hand, a detached person can be very active and caring, though he accepts calmly whatever happens.

If he cannot do or change something, it does not disturb his peace of mind. On the other hand, if he needs to do something, he will pursue it whole-heartedly. He will do everything needed to succeed. If it does not work out, he stays calm, and will either try again, or forget the matter easily and move to something else. [/qoute]

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On the other hand, if you learn to stay detached, you may listen to what they say, but as if they are saying it about someone else. If they are right, you can benefit from what they say. If they are wrong, you go on with your life as if nothing was said.

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Hmmmm..... how can I put this? the two quotes above ring true to me, although you guys might think they don't since I pretty much just put my arms up and decided to take on anyone that had a thing to say and challenge all.
But to me that is not a big waste of energy, on the contrary that to me boosts me and keeps me going.

So...

Aside of the ordeal starter (and how I have gotten myself in this position talking to all of you and being only one of me in a situation I know very little about but I am trying to understand) I will say :

I have never really done any serious meditation, I have tried but I just can not turn my mind off, I was born to think, I take a shower and I meditate, but my meditation is on how I can find answers to my problems(usualy the people around me and their problems that become mine) so like meditation I go to a place where I turn myself off from the world, athough not from me.This is not like when you think about what you are going to cook, this is deep deep thought to where I forget sometimes if I have wash my hair and I do it again just in case.
I don't know if you guys can follow that or not.
With that said, and knowing I don't meditate (but I would like to try) I have friends that do meditate and they are cool to me, I love them, but to me, they have no idea of what real life is, they just don't care.
This is kind of a contradiction now because this article clearly says that is not about being indiferent and you should do everything needed to succeed.

In my point of view of the board , everything needed to succed was really getting to understand all of you to be able to maybe bring up some questions and comments and help come to a better result than hurt and pain between members.
I did not succed and I will move on.

But, I did enjoy these last couple of days and have another point of view of life.maybe my dad was right when he said I can not change the world.
But I still think I can, it may not happen with my generation but I can plant the seeds for generations to come.
I will not stay still and I will greatly welcome eternity because if you guys are correct about souls coming to this earth to feel and live, then i am feeling and living and at the same time helping others feel and live a better life.

posted October 05, 2007 12:00 AM         

Exactly not with the physical ears ....

The other listening comes opening up.

I thought it was implied.

I think I do see a lot of difference between west perception and east perception.

NAM - I created a new thread on Universal forum. These teachings don't belong to Free-for-all forum. Besides I vibrate great with number 2.

posted October 05, 2007 12:08 AM         

Heh do u know they are now discovering that babies can count in their brain. So much for their age.

AG - Jesus would often refer to children of all ages. Not sure where u are coming from?
Are u referring to the baby suckling on mom story or the kids wanting to be around him, only to be prevented by the adults- story?

posted October 05, 2007 12:30 AM         

I said, spiritual DETACHMENT. That's what the article I posted here is about. You must have heard of that if you read spiritual material because it is taught in all forms of spirituality.

Nor was I dissecting your post or it's meaning, Mannu. Go back and read. I said " I THINK" that spiritual detachment is what Mannu is talking about. The operative words in that sentence is I THINK. I didn't say that WAS what you were talking about or what you meant.

NAM I am glad that you liked the article. I was trying as best as I could to answer your question and be helpful.

Like you I have disattached myself from a couple of people in my life. I did it for my own well being. Sometimes we have to do that if the relationship is not a positive one for us due to certain factors. Like you, I leave the door always open for reconciliation.

I do not think that emotional disattachment is psychologically healthy. It definitely isn't healthy for relationships with other human beings. We are not just souls inhabiting a body.

We are both body and soul and our emotions are a very large part of who we are as human beings. One does not attain high levels of spirituality by denying their humanity. The objective is to balance the inner self - to unite ourselves within. Not deny a large part of who we are.

edited* Meditation is hard for me too, NAM for the same reason that you stated, I have a hard time filtering out other things in my mind. That is only when I try to mediate though. If I don't try it works. I just mediate as I go about my daily chores. Also takes my mind off of what I am doing.

posted October 05, 2007 01:50 AM         

Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.
Matthew 19:13-15

Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all."
He took a little child and had him stand among them. Taking him in his arms, he said to them, "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me."
Mark 9:35-37

posted October 05, 2007 09:26 AM         

>>Emotional detachment leads to Spiritual development, in my opinion.

I was real me in my teaching mode...i tried to become u when i wrote earlier...a empath.
well i failed...

And hope people will pardon me as english is not my first language. Also I bearly get time off work these days. Its not an excuse. But I request greater understanding. Wrong place perhaps.

The science of enlightenment is free - but must not be discussed lightly. if i remember Jesus said too "don't throw pearls before swines". sorry ...no further commentaries.

Everything must be felt and understood by opening up.

Heh AG - Long ago - in India, u will be surprised that kids used to get a glimpse of God/eternity till the time they were 13 . I mean majority portion of the class in their gurus presence.

In Jesus's area- i think the adults used to dismiss children as kiddish. And nothing useful will come of that.

Adults are more intellectualizing kind.
We can't generalize and I am not totally against adults too. Every good tree bears fruit. Likewise each child has potential to be a good person. We must encourage children to sit when we discuss spirituality.

Anyway as i said- commentaries/writings/readings spoils the real enlightenment knowledge. It must be felt.

I am not returning to this post again.
Its unusual of me to hang here. Call it telepathy or whatever.