posted November 05, 2007 06:33 PM         

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dunno Xodian this seems like flagrant narcissism to me.
Maybe that's just MY humble perception. I've never known a libra to be narcissistic though.....:

Just havin a little fun with ya

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To quote my bud Swoops on this:

"Narcissism? Psssah!!! They will re-naming that term Swoopness in honour of my unadulterated awesomeness!"

posted November 06, 2007 12:34 AM         

I also didn't see this thread as an activist thread for Meterosexuals. Although at first I did think it was thread about people doing kinky things with parking meters.

It's more the image thing that bothers me. The way I see it is even George Clooney, Brad Pitt, and Johnny Depp would lose their appeal to women if on meeting them we discoverd they were egocentric jerks who lacked any depth. It could turn out that given the choice of Brad Pitt or Michael Moore a woman would choose Moore based on what kind of person each men are on coming to know them. I think it would be the same for men on meeting Angelina Jolie or any other actress of their liking.

I just don't like it when corporations who want to make money on their products project onto society an image they want us to live by and live up to. Men or women.

Problem is that none of these images foisted onto us by people just out to make a profit off of us do much to help people develop their self-worth. It always works the opposite when people find it an impossible image to live up to. It just ends up making those people feel more worthless.

There's room in our society for all types of looks. That is the way it was designed to be.

Actually, Xodian, none of us girls knew what to do with Ken which is why he was tossed in the corner. I used to put Barbies clothes on Ken. At that time they didn't have all the other female friends of Barbie that they do now. But maybe I was just ahead of my time. LOL

posted November 06, 2007 12:48 AM         

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Those articles are so one-sided its not even funny;

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They were meant to be, and that's exactly WHY they're funny.

I'm practicing control over my LIBRA MOON

posted November 06, 2007 09:57 AM         

LOL @ Kinky things with parking meters.

well BR actually helped the situation out by actually saying "I am messing with ya" so its all good; Thus we move on.

See, Mirandee that's the thing; Men like Jonny Depp and George Clooney are fine examples of how meterosexuals aren't all what they seem. Particularly George Clooney and the little pre-oscar jig he did with John Stewert. yet there is no denying George's Clooney's manliness. Your average Meterosexual does all the things that a regular guy does; He only just likes dressing up a bit more, or might take a little bit better care of his appearence. Other then that, count on him to talk sports, Chug an occasional beer, Drive a truck, Do home improvement stuff, You know; Any stereotype you can think of Lol! (Notice that most home improvement show hosts are meterosexuals LOL!)

YFIS:

Oh no denying there is Lol! But there is so much more fun is seeing both sides of a senerio and presenting the arguments for that. Or we end up with unwarrented accusition on behalf of both sexes Lol!

posted November 06, 2007 10:18 AM         

I like long hair on a man too. And I don't think there is anything wrong with men such as David Bowie or Captain Jack Sparrow wearing make-up.

However, cross-dressing does nothing for me!

posted November 06, 2007 10:38 AM         

That's not to say that men don't do the same. I'm sure they do. But the scale is tipped unevenly when it comes to appearances and taking care of your health. Or how many guys do you know whose Ideal woman doesn't bathe regularly, doesn't shave regularly, has perpetual bad hair, skin and some sort of BO, is overweight and/or out of shape, drinks regularly including binge drinking, refuses to eat healthy as it "requires too much effort to cook" and also dresses in clothes as flattering as a potato sack? And that's not even getting into personal at home living standards.

I've yet to meet any. But when it comes to men, raising those same standards isn't welcome ... by many men.

Glad to see things are changing, though. I'm sorry if some men feel put upon and discrimanted against when it comes to basic hygiene and self-care. Honestly, I think the over done "metrosexual" image is just a backlash from the grunge of the 90s. A decent middle ground would be nice ... so don't splurge on the guy-liner but do consider some Manly Lotion to turn that rough and dry face into a soft and inviting one.

posted November 07, 2007 02:38 AM         

I think we all, men and women, here on this thread, agree on one thing - we like cleanliness and good grooming.

A confession. I have always found it to be a total turn on to see a guy in jeans with no shirt on. For that reason I am happy they made it a law to only drive 25-30 MPH through road construction areas. I always did that but now I have a good excuse.

I think you are right about that, AG. Meterosexual types probably don't call themselves by that term. Many of them probably didn't even know that society had now labeled them.

posted November 07, 2007 07:52 AM         

Maris.

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Hope you don't mind my stopping by, but Maris is hosting the women's league senior yoga group and... old money and body stockings.

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posted November 07, 2007 09:33 AM         

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I think we all, men and women, here on this thread, agree on one thing - we like cleanliness and good grooming.

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Or how many guys do you know whose Ideal woman doesn't bathe regularly, doesn't shave regularly, has perpetual bad hair, skin and some sort of BO, is overweight and/or out of shape, drinks regularly including binge drinking, refuses to eat healthy as it "requires too much effort to cook" and also dresses in clothes as flattering as a potato sack? And that's not even getting into personal at home living standards.

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posted November 07, 2007 09:33 AM         

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Heaven forbid a woman should lift weights or look too athletic. She must be a lesbian. Regardless that to actually have a "manly" body she'd have to be using steroids or something and be rather unhealthy.

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I really detest stereotypes of what is considered attractive. It binds folks into forms and fashions unnatural to them and their habits or personalities. As long as one is clean, and neat and has a real personality all the rest is window dressing in my opinion.

posted November 07, 2007 10:41 AM         

There's a reason I strung those together. Individually they don't have the same impact as an all-in-one deal. Which is why I didn't isolate them in the first place. As the the trend for the average American woman to be overweight or obese rises, I think many views are being challenged as far as that "perfect" body image goes. I think a healthy weight range for men and women is attractive, even if you're on the larger end of that scale ... and for many even over that weight line it doesn't affect their general good looks. Certainly that's preferrable, imo, to the emaciated look that has held sway for so long. And those BMI calculators that are so popular hardly if ever account for muscle mass anyway. Although I honestly think health trumps looks any day and it's not an easy subject to discuss for many people.

Part of my point is that women are generally more tolerant and accepting of perceived (and, yes, stereotypical) physical flaws of men whereas the reverse isn't always true. Blame it on media or models or upbringing but there's a reason that a certain kind of image sells. I'm not defending it. However, I do see an irony in women being held up to impossibly high standards when it comes to their appearances when men can 'get away' with doing so much less.

I'm not saying anyone has to live up to other's expections, high or low. No forced "perfection" here. Just commenting on the disparity of common expectations between the sexes. And my own personal preferences ... which generally have to do with basic cleanliness and the like. You can still be comfortable without looking like you just rolled out of bed after a very late night. Ironed or wrinkle free clothes, no stains or at least not noticeable ones, clothes that actually fits you while still being comfortable to wear, etc. I assure you I don't think "high fashion" is worth the cost or trouble ... unless you have some sort of grand affair to attend and want to/can afford to splurge.

And though I do tend to write in a joking manner about a subject I find ironic, I do hope no one is offended.

posted November 07, 2007 11:54 AM         

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Part of my point is that women are generally more tolerant and accepting of perceived (and, yes, stereotypical) physical flaws of men whereas the reverse isn't always true. Blame it on media or models or upbringing but there's a reason that a certain kind of image sells. I'm not defending it. However, I do see an irony in women being held up to impossibly high standards when it comes to their appearances when men can 'get away' with doing so much less.

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LOL at the Frasier link. That was one of my favorite shows. Watched it every week. Poor Maris. Always funny!!! My husband didn't care for it. He said they were snobs. I said yes, but they were snobs who always in some way got shot down. Mostly by their dad. Loved his character. And that out of place favorite chair of his. LOL

I also think it's a good point that women are far more harsh on each other than men are on women. It's for that reason that I think most women dress, do their make-up and hair to please other women than they do to please men. Although I don't think that applies in the lingerie department. Women endure wedgies and painful bras just because their man likes it. LOL

The way I see it, please yourself. It doesn't matter what others think about you if you accept, like and affirm yourself. Affirmation from others is always very nice to get and very much appreciated, but it should not be something we need, live for or even look for. Our self-worth should not be dependent on what others think about us in any way.