posted November 15, 2007 11:44 PM         

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Thursday, November 15 Astrology.com
Daily Cosmic Calendar

Stop, look and listen! As indicated at the close of yesterday's cosmic forecast, Mars stops and begins a 77-day retrograde cycle at 12:26AM PST (energizing 13 degrees of Cancer). Just three minutes earlier, Venus makes a frictional 45-degree link to Juno - increasing the potential for emotional storminess and relationship challenges. [Mars remains in reverse until January 30, 2008 when it will make a direct station and go forward at 25 degrees of Gemini.] All Mars themes - passion and desire, leadership and courage, vitality and energy, muscular strength and the blood stream, sports and exercise, martial arts, devotion and dedication, zeal and fanaticism, impulsive actions, volatility and anger - are activated now and over the next few days. Engaging in fiery debates and spewing inflammatory rhetoric at unsuspecting partners will probably boomerang with nasty results. Adding to the strange vibrations of the day is a long void lunar cycle that starts at 1:20AM PST and concludes at 3:31PM PST when the Moon switches gears from pragmatic Capricorn to service-oriented Aquarius. Finish old business during the 14+ hour void time-period. Don't launch new ventures until the Moon enters airy Aquarius. However, even though 3:31PM PST brings a new lunar energy-field for the next two days, the Mars station dominates the psychic landscape. Arm-twisting maneuvers and blatant attempts to make others do your bidding are bush league. Group projects and advanced studies in science, medicine and high technology can keep you out of trouble.

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posted November 16, 2007 12:32 AM         

To Unmoved,

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My apologies Mirandee.
It was an observation, and it was an incorrect one it seems.

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Apology more than accepted, Unmoved

I know it was not all directed at me. I know you included all of us except Lialei who is really a hapless and innocent victim in all of this. I will explain that later if necessary after reading the posts.

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The "ill" feelings are what I gathered from this statement below:

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You took great offense to my making friends with Unmoved as did your daughter (who admitted it)...

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That is not true. I would swear that in the presence of Jesus Christ and I don't take that lightly.

Once in an email I stated to Fayte that I noticed she and you, Unmoved, had hit it off on the threads. That is all that I said about you. I don't know how Fayte got the notion that saying that meant that I took "great offense at her making friends" with you. Lisa didn't care that she was friends with you either. Fayte did accuse Lisa of being jealous of her friendship with you in an email to me. I asked Lisa about that. Lisa told me that she made a sarcastic comment in email to Fayte which she immediately emailed Fayte back and apologized for. She then explained her feelings to Fayte. When Fayte emailed Lisa back it was apparent to Lisa that Fayte had twisted everything she said to her in her email. Lisa was hurt by that. She asked me, " Doesn't she ever listen to what I am saying?" I told Lisa that I was beginning to think that Fayte hears things the way she wants them to be. Something happens there between what you say and how Fayte takes it. I am not a trained professional psychologist so I can't say what or why that is. But I know it is because she has done that to me often and I have seen her do it to others here at LL often. Fayte stated even to Lisa that she had admitted it. Lisa did not admit any such thing and I think she emailed Fayte back and told her so. I know Lisa was very upset when Fayte told her that after her heartfelt email explaining it to Fayte. That is when Lisa said what she did to me which I stated above. Anyway, when Fayte told me in an email about Lisa being jealous of you and I asked Lisa ,I emailed Fayte back and told her that Lisa does not mind her friendship with you at all she was only upset that Fayte had not been replying to her emails except to send her a short note saying she was busy or some other reason and would reply soon and then never did. That is what Lisa was upset about. Not her friendship with you. And that was the reason for the sarcastic comment she made to Fayte.

But you see, even with Lisa explaining that to Fayte, and with me also explaining it to Fayte, it is still being told the way Fayte says it is and she will not listen to anything that contradicts what she thinks. What she thinks is the only truth to Fayte. So in her mind she is not lying. It's the truth. I am sure she believes it to be the truth. And she will stick to it to eternity rather than admit she was mistaken or wrong. Or had misjudged.

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Actually it is Lisa, not Lorna, whoever Lisa is. I have just remembered that fun post of yours with naming things that begin with one's first letter of one's name, and Solane Stars' name is Lorna.

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Lisa is Lialei and also my daughter. You might have gotten confused because Star calls me Star Mom and I call her Star Daughter. Lisa is my actual daughter but Star is like a daughter to me.

posted November 16, 2007 12:43 AM         

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u r nt tru

posted November 16, 2007 12:47 AM         

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u r a nsty

posted November 16, 2007 12:54 AM         

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u r nsty

posted November 16, 2007 12:56 AM         

I do hope you take time to rest and recover. LL will be here upon your return. But please REST!!

posted November 16, 2007 01:31 AM         

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y dt u 2 nsty

posted November 16, 2007 02:09 AM         

Sleep well, Enigma.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Y7QDYvSsaM

posted November 16, 2007 02:16 AM         

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posted November 16, 2007 03:26 AM         

I thought you admired honesty, Fayte. I told Unmoved the truth. I was honest. I told her the truth about your lies. They are lies even if you believe them to be true because neither Lisa or I ever felt that way about Unmoved or your friendship with her. We told you that and you know it.

This is what you wanted from the beginning, Fayte. You refused to work it out in private. I made attempts. So did Lisa. But you wanted to control it. You wanted it on the boards of LL. You kept insinuating because I didn't and wouldn't discuss it on the public forums of LL that I was in denial and I wasn't being honest. You said it could not be resolved unless it was discussed and yet in private you refused to discuss it with me or Lisa. I did not want the people of LL subjected to what is a private matter. I did resolve it. I ended our friendship. Your friendship with Lisa ended when you sent her email after email trying to turn her against her own mother. If you would do that between mother and daughter why would it bother you to do it with the people at LL too? It worked with Silverstone. You turned him against me. You did Mannu too. I never had any problem with either of them at LL at any time before we were no longer friends, Fayte and you know it. So why did they suddenly start attacking me on posts? I did nothing to them at all that would provoke that. I liked both of them very much.

The posts you posted here of things Lisa said to you in the past can be taken two ways depending on what one knows and doesn't know. Just as the snide remarks you make to me and Star in your posts can always be taken two ways. You are clever but then people who have a lifetime pattern of manipulation and deception to get what they want and need from others get damn good at it.

Those posts from the past WILL hurt Lisa even more. Just as it hurt her so badly when she was attempting to work things out with you and sent you an email pouring her heart out to you over how badly your words in an email to me comparing her to Unmoved and calling her a "whiner" and saying her problems were insignificant to you in light of other people's problems hurt her. What you see as being dishonest and betrayal on my part was that two days of thinking it over I told my daughter that maybe she should not talk about her problems with you anymore because of the way you were taking it. You even lied to me about her in that email. And she saw that. I did not tell her that you called her a "whiner." I only told her what she needed to think about and that is all. When she read the email for herself she cried and said, "Mom, you didn't even tell me the worse things."

After her email to you telling you how badly that hurt her your only reply to all she said was " you are whining again here." Very cruel and very cold. Just so you will be happy about your work there Fayte, she cried her eyes out. She still cannot talk about it without tearing up. Good work Fayte!!!

One of those posts here from the past concerned Silverstone. That will hurt Lisa very badly when she sees that. And you know it full well. Someone Lisa cared for very much who after the problems you worked on and lied to and ended up breaking up that relationship with Silverstone and Lisa . You got him in your camp, Fayte and then on the boards of LL after you knew you had succeeded in breaking up their friendship you rubbed it in Lisa's face by always referring to him as "My dear friend." With the hearts and all. You knew that would hurt Lisa. You wanted to hurt her.

You still do. You want to destroy anything that is true and good that you cannot control. You could not control Lisa or me. You could not pick my friends for me. I never even asked you to be friends with Star much less "begged" you. Another lie from someone who claims she is an honest person and values honesty in others. What I did is tell you the kind of person that Star actually is in hopes you might for once see that you can be wrong about people. But you can't get pass anything that ever happened in the past. You can't get pass your grudges and need for revenge and that is what this thread is about and everything else you do. Vengeance.

You wanted it on the boards of LL because I resolved it when I ended our friendship for my own well being. To you that was interpreted as me taking control away from you. You wanted to control the outcome. You wanted it your way.

For a year until she left LL for good I got email after email after email with links of SueG's posts not only here at LL but other sites. Emails where you said she is lying here, she is lying there, that's not true. And hateful words about SueG. I talked to you about that and told you it was a bit obsessive. I asked you why you would even care what SueG said and did. Now Star and I are the objects of your vengeance and obsession. For some reason you need an enemy, Fayte. You need to try and outbest that enemy to come out on top. You have a very clearly defined enemies and friends list in your mind. Beyond that, anyone who is friend of yours cannot fraternize with your enemies. If they do you cannot trust them. No matter what they tell you. I told you that just because Star and I were friends did not mean that I cared any less for you. I tried to reassure you.

This is the truth and you know it Fayte, God knows it.

And you are continuing to hurt my daughter so you can get me this ****** off and then tell others, see I told you Mirandee was a bad person. You wanted to get Star ****** off by hurting Lisa so you can tell others the same thing. Well, I don't care what others think because I am tired of you hurting my daughter repeatedly. You hate her because you can never be her. You can't be honest so you hate me because you know I am. You know Lisa and Star are too. That is why you work so hard at convincing others that I am not honest.

You are the nasty one, Fayte. With your manipulations of people, lies, deceptions, grudges and vengeful behavior patterns. You go after every newbie at LL with flattery because everything is a competition with you. To have the most email addresses, the most friends. To be right. To be superior to others. To have suffered more than anyone. Look how many times in posts you have diminished what others are saying of what they are suffering by coming in and topping it. You put on a compassionate act but you have no compassion for anyone outside of yourself. You certainly didn't have any compassion for Lisa. Just as you with your stupid Golden Phoenix award want to make it a "who suffers the most award " you also distinguish who's problems are worse and therefore worthy of fayte.m's time. Competition.

Your lips must be chapped from all the a$$ kissing you did on that awards thread to win people over to your camp. Your clique. Your hate Mirandee and Star and Lialei camp. Your friends against the enemies camp.

You say you love everyone but in private you call them "earth monkey's" and "Shemps."

I don't know if you are having an episode or not, Fayte. Like Lisa I would hope you would not sink that low in your manipulations of the good hearts of others here at LL. But I have to ask myself if I was having an episode so bad that I could not even type would I be sitting at the computer or would I be in bed taking care of myself? Or going to the hospital? Would I be posting link after link of Lisa's post? Juni had a good insight about that.

In those posts of Lisa's I also noticed they were all her heartfelt and honest remarks about the kind of person she once thought you to be. The person that she trusted so much she entrusted her soul and feelings and told her problems too. Lisa rarely talks about her problems with people she does not trust completely. You betrayed her trust. It seems to me each post of hers you put in here is really designed to reinforce to others here the image you have created of yourself to them.

But the one concerning Silverstone is really going to hurt Lisa badly. It is probably going to hurt Silverstone too. But like Lisa is can be sacrificed for your cause, Fayte. They can both be sacrificed on your altar of vengeance. Lisa wants to move on. She is moving on. She wants those hurts to heal in time. Seeing those posts is only an attempt to hold her in the past and relive it becaue that is where you live, Fayte. In the past. You can't move on because you can't forgive, you have to have your revenge. You can't let go of even imagined slights. You live in the past so you want to keep Star, me and Lisa there with you. You can't heal so you don't want us to either. You can't change as a person so you refuse let us change and grow. You can't change because the blame is always in someone or something outside of yourself.

If you really cared about Lisa and her feelings you would not have been so cold to her. You would have willingly wanted to work things out with her. You did not. If you valued my friendship at all you would have willingly accepted my offers to work things out. You did not.

Come on Fayte, you wanted honesty. You love honesty. Now just for once in your life be honest. Let your venon spew out and stop the phoney act and the manipulations here and be honest. Unleash all that anger that eats away at you. Show everyone the Grey Lizard you really are. The one thing that you could be sure of about SueG is that she would never do this because she also worried about her image at LL.

I am who I am and nothing is more important to me than my children. My own and those I have acquired and made my children. I am tired of you hurting my daughter and I am tired of you dumping on and bashing Star. For what if not just because you like to hurt and try and tear down people who you feel you cannot manipulate and control and use for your own means? You always go after people with truly kind and good hearts, people who are spiritual and compassionate and empathetic. It's easy prey for a manipulator because those people see good in everyone. But evil often disguises itself as good. Because people are attracted to what they see as good. Evil always seeks destroy good.

You claim to be an honest person. Yet you have been tripped up in lie after lie. You hoped I would moderate this thread and maybe close it or delete it and then you could use that to make an issue of it to turn others here at LL against me. Just as happened the last time on that thread where you, Lotus and Silverstone ganged up to attack me. I eventually had to close it when Lotus posted private emails which is against the rules of LL. I did not close it due to the personal attacks.

posted November 16, 2007 03:45 AM         

Notice how well she typed to her friend, angel of hope as in comparison to her typing to me, Star and others here who question her.

Fayte is playing the victim and Randall can tell you that I predicted to him that she would do this. Hell, I would have laid bets on it and I'm not much of a gambler.

She is hurting my daughter badly by posting those old posts. Especially the one where Silverstone is it. She knows how hurt Lisa is about Silverstone. She posted that one diliberately. If not it sure doesn't show Lisa feelings much concern or compassion.

posted November 16, 2007 08:29 AM         

Lisa stated in her post she remembers the good things. She does not have to have it shoved in her face. That was designed to deliberately hurt Lisa no matter how Fayte presents it to you and others. Fayte posted those old posts just because Lisa said that. Well, here they are. Now hurt some more remembering it. Especially the one where Silverstone is mentioned.

Did you read my post? Did you read the things that Fayte has done to hurt her? Fayte even lied to a newbie, Unmoved about Lisa and Lisa stated that in her post and stated that it hurt her. Fayte destroyed her friendship with Silverstone because she knew how much Lisa cared for him.

No Lisa is not going to like being made a spectacle out of on the boards of LL. She will ream my a$$ for that. But she is going to be hurt badly by once again being used as a pawn in Fayte's obsessive need for revenge. She is going to be hurt badly by once again being sacrificed on Fayte's altar of revenge.

What's your deal anyway, AG? I would not make up things like this about anyone in spite of what Fayte may have convinced you of. It's the truth. Lisa knows it. God knows it.

And I did not bring Lisa into this. Lisa came in and posted by her own choice. And Fayte brought her into it when she posted those old posts. Fayte used that big heart of Lisa's for her own purposes.

Fayte has the nerve to put up an icon telling me to leave her alone and she is the one who has been in face on the boards here just about every time I post.

You haven't got a clue, AG of what has been going on behind the scenes in emails to Lisa. Lisa got where she couldn't even open those emails. I told her she should. I told her that Fayte might be reaching out to you to work it out. But that was never the case. Just emails spewing her hate out towards Lisa's mom which hurt and angered her every time. It hurt that it appeared to Lisa that Fayte was trying to turn her against her own mom. It's really sick that Fayte would even do that. It's really very egotistic to think she could. But I think Fayte can't stand that Lisa and I have a close mother/daughter relationship.

Fayte claims she loves "Brutal Honesty." All the world should have it she said. Where is her brutal honesty now? Why is she playing the victim instead of being brutally honest? Because the victim card serves her manipulation better here. That's why. And manipulation and passive agressiveness hidden in snide remarks in posts is the most dishonest thing a person can do.

Frankly I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me, AG. I am not going to allow this woman to continue to hurt my daughter because she means more to me than life itself. Does she mean that much to you, AG?

You don't know the kind of person I trully am, AG. But if you are going to judge the kind of person I am based on things a tin pan phoney presents to you and manipulates you to believe then why should I care what you think? At least I am being real. My anger over this is real too.

If Fayte is having an episode I am not to blame for it and neither is Star. It's her own obsessive need for revenge and her own vindictiveness that brought on the stress that caused it. Star and I are the ones who are really wondering when it is ever going to stop. Fayte doesn't want it to ever stop. She proved that over the past two months and she hounded SueG every day for months and months. SueG knew it would never end.

This thread should be closed and deleted but that will be Randall's choice because I won't do it. It's what Fayte wants me to do.

posted November 16, 2007 08:48 AM         

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Nice recovery there in the typing to angel of hope,

I don't know if you are having an episode or not, Fayte. Like Lisa I would hope you would not sink that low in your manipulations of the good hearts of others here at LL. But I have to ask myself if I was having an episode so bad that I could not even type would I be sitting at the computer or would I be in bed taking care of myself? Or going to the hospital? Would I be posting link after link of Lisa's post? Juni had a good insight about that.

Fayte is putting on this act to silence us from telling the truth. If she plays the victim anything we say to dispute her lies will make us look bad. That is what she is doing here.

Notice how well she typed to her friend, angel of hope as in comparison to her typing to me, Star and others here who question her.
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u hahha whrn i hirt
u 2 facrd lyng

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u cruxfy me amd hahh heee

posted November 16, 2007 08:54 AM         

In my experience I have found it is wisest to not edit or delete a thread unless it is full of filth that children should not read.

A deleted or even edited thread can cause more controversy than not. Others will use it as an example of the mods bias and the mess goes on & on.

A locked thread quickly dies out and not being altered, can stand on it`s own when it used as a further reference.

An old north country adage, give the other enough rope and they will hang themself...

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posted November 16, 2007 08:57 AM         

Come on, Fayte. You're an honest person aren't you?

posted November 16, 2007 09:00 AM         

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thnak yuo 4 ths:

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Fayte Got your email! I stand corrected! So everyone knows, it was I who was mistaken on the "date" of the post in question, where I said your typing was fine then wacky etc. So my apologies to you Fayte.

I do hope you take time to rest and recover. LL will be here upon your return. But please REST!!

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posted November 16, 2007 09:02 AM         

Randall is moderating this thread though. So it would be his decision.