posted November 13, 2007 06:28 PM         

This thread is intended for those posting at AG's LL Award thread who have things to say (for good or ill)that are not actual awards, to say them here so that AGs lovely thread can get back on topic, the bestowing of heartfelt awards and not debates and arguments and nasty pseudo awards.

And.....
To those who have nothing nice to say....
here's looking at you!

posted November 13, 2007 08:37 PM         

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I'm sorry your award was diminished by Fayte's words,

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A repeat of a previous post:
From Ms SS to Mirandee, & quoting her:

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Mirandee,

I like what you said about the Phoenix. We've all been through tremendous transformations, and had to overcome public and private sufferings. I feel very lucky not to have gone through, in this lifetime, many of the things I've heard about from others.

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I feel very lucky not to have gone through, in this lifetime, many of the things I've heard about from others.

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Really, there are so many things to consider, and I doubt there has been born a person in this world with the kind of genius needed to see and consider all the factors, so as to pass a fair judgement on anyone, and decide, who is a phoenix and who is not.

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And Ms SS you have slammed and judged me and insulted me so many times on that thread it is unreal! What gives you the right to do that?
Mirandee did too but you definitely take the cake for continuous harassing behaviour.
I gave an award.
You are jealous pure and simple.
And angry I do not think like you,
Well I am not you.
You assign whatever attributes you desire to your Phoenix award and I will assign whatever attributes I want to mine.
Did you forget?....

You and Mirandee took it on yourselves to degrade my award and judge me as totally unworthy to bestow it on anyone.

You both did that repeatedly.

Read again in bolded letters the reason
certain folks were deemed worthy by me to receive it:

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I feel very lucky not to have gone through, in this lifetime, many of the things I've heard about from others.

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posted November 13, 2007 09:27 PM         

Twisting again!!!

Your so sad to me Fayte!!! Always playing the Victim, well you seem to have MASTERED one thing for sure in your life and it's getting others to feel sorry for poor old you, Victimized Fayte and all!!! So Sad!!!

Keep the FAYTE going, Fayte!!! LOL!!!

Whine Away!!! It is your thread!!! Its what you do best, playing the victim all the time!!!

posted November 13, 2007 10:43 PM         

Our so called friendship ended when you chose to tore a new @ss for SueG here at LL, right here in Public forum. She honored you and your space and left here because of this kind of Bullsh!t that you still continue to play. You went right out of your way to made her look really bad to others here. You just had to Shoot her right down in front of everyone and got others to side with you and try to convience others that she was a really bad and nasty person thats out to get you. Even stock you. What you did to her was one of the most nastiest display's of behaviour that I've ever had to see here in a long time. So bleed sucking and just plain old mean nasty, vindictiveness. When I seen this thirst for bleed and you so needing to show all that you were right and you had to bring SueG down in front of everyone here on board and make yourself look like the good party, your proformance was stagging. Very mean!! This is the real reason were not so called friends anymore and where it ended for me. I have also heard that you thought that SueG and I keep in contact all this time and we never did just so you know and for your personal records, so you can get your records all straightened out for once and for all. SueG probally thought we were still friends and don' want to talk to me because of this and that maybe she seen it as just another one of your many traps, that you try to get others into around here. Just goes to show that you don't always know everything that goes on here and behind closed doors!!!

I'll pass on Fayte's " BACKROOM BASHING "!!

posted November 13, 2007 10:48 PM         

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I am sad you see it that way AG...and sad Ms SS took it as an insult.

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No Anthropomorphic nor human fantasy female near nudes to depict the noble Phoenix who needs no such embellishments and ego/physical beauty to be what it is.

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Why wouldn't she take it as an insult when you post that after her fantasy female picture? Would you not be insulted if you posted a picture, and someone else deemed your choice/judgment not right?

When you communicate the burden of doing so effectively is on your own shoulders. If you can't adequately convey what you mean, then inevitably you will be misunderstood and stuff like this will happen. I don't get why people think other people can mind-read.

I do see where Mirandee disagreed with your handling of your own award, and I don't think that's particularly right, either. I know she was doing it out of her own sense of fairness and justice, but the thread didn't need to be one of critiquing another person's judgment on who's award-worthy, especially when the person has given probably the most awards of anyone.

Further, if I may rant, I don't think anyone needs to feel insulted if they don't happen to receive an award. LL is not Utopia. It's just like real life, and people will go unrecognized here as well. It's not because they are untalented or unworthy, but simply because they are unknown or not as loud as others.

I'm sorry. I am really tired, so I probably shouldn't be here altogether.

posted November 13, 2007 11:34 PM         

Ms SS I would appreciate you not bringing up
names and ask that you respectfully to delete that post. Your information is cruel to me and that person and way offbase and has nothing to do with the giving of the Phoenix award. And is none of your business.
I wish that person well and miss the pre war days.

Truce?

posted November 14, 2007 12:50 AM         

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I do see where Mirandee disagreed with your handling of your own award, and I don't think that's particularly right, either. I know she was doing it out of her own sense of fairness and justice, but the thread didn't need to be one of critiquing another person's judgment on who's award-worthy, especially when the person has given probably the most awards of anyone.

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Just to get it straight here. I did not judge Fayte's handling of the award. She is the one who first gave her opionion on what the award should represent. I only gave my opinion of what the Phoenix represents to me. As did Star and HSC. I did not degrade her award at all. What I attempted to do was raise it to a higher level. Fayte can do as she pleases. Fayte and I simply disagree in opinion. I did not bring up the issue and neither did Star or HSC. Fayte did.

I am getting really tired of being what seems the only one at LL who has to continually be clarifying and defending her intentions. REALLY TIRED of it. I mean what I say. Not the way others twist and distort it to mean for their own personal agendas. And my intentions are NEVER evil or bad because I am not that kind of person. I never have been.

Fayte, Why did you delete your post and place a dove and TRUCE and blue heart in it's place? I read the post and was going to repond to it. It showed your true feelings about mine and Stars and Lisa's friendship.

It never had to be this way. Both Lisa and I made attempts on more that just occasion to work things out with you. We reached out to you but you refused to work it out.

So this has to stop. When are you going to learn that revenge only hurts your soul? It does not affect the soul of those you take out your revenge on. In fact, it has served to help us grow more and focus more on the spiritual. It has helped me to learn to control and hold my anger which is a lesson I was working on and you helped me even more. For that I thank you. My only hurt is having to watch you hurt your own soul.

It does not have to be that way.

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posted November 14, 2007 12:59 AM         

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I am getting really tired of being what seems the only one at LL who has to continually be clarifying and defending her intentions. REALLY TIRED of it. I mean what I say. Not the way others twist and distort it to mean for their own personal agendas. And my intentions are NEVER evil or bad because I am not that kind of person. I never have been.

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I did not judge Fayte's handling of the award.

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posted November 14, 2007 01:54 AM         

You showed how hurt you are Fayte in your words in that post. You showed how much it bothers you that Star and I and that Lisa and Star have grown so close. And you deleted it.

Instead you behave this way. It's really sad and hurts to see you behaving this way Fayte. It is your choice.

I have nothing further to say to you. I would have if you had not deleted a post that showed your heart and your hurt and instead replaced it with more vengefulness and manipulative attempts to hand over your bag of trash to me to own. No, you just sit there with that bag of trash in your own lap and hold it because I refuse to hold and own your trash for you.

posted November 14, 2007 07:58 AM         

I am not going to play your little high school games.

The past is the past as you said.

What went on between you and your daughter and me is no one here at LL's business.
Nor is what went on between me and anyone else off LL in private.

Nor does it have anything to do with my giving awards to folks.

I gave your daughter 3 awards but I do not see you slamming me for that.

I gave awards to Lotusheartone and DfD even though they have attacked me in the past.

They have both shown a willingness to try and move on unlike you or Ms SS.

If you want me to leave LL again I will consider it.
That seems to be your agenda and Ms SS's.

You showed no respect during my stroke and would not give me a time out from your family dramas. You took great offense to my making friends with Unmoved as did your daughter (who admitted it)when I wanted a time out from your family dramas. I did not need the added stress which you knew could have killed me.
I said until Lisa & her 3 kids got moved out of your home and I got over my stroke that I felt a time out was needed by all.
After a nice e-mail to me and my birthday wishes to your husband.........
You then suddenly unexpextedly out of the blue publicly attacked me.

I will again ask for a truce and for you to do your job as a moderator and tell Ms SS to delete her attack above and the things
that do not belong here.
That issue is none of yours or hers business.

Truce?

posted November 14, 2007 10:15 AM         

Do you think it will ever be possible for me to peacefully post here?
I leave to gingerly, tentatively edge back...
I keep hoping.

Should I care that you all might believe this stuff about me?
Should I care that Unmoved might believe I would be that kind of person? I don't know her. She's never heard my side. She's heard Fayte's. Do people consider the ethics of quietness?
Do they look to actions or words?
Should I defend myself?
Will it make matters worse.
Should I put my ego before what's more meaningful? Knowing that in the end, that route is downward, for me...for everyone?
Or should I continue to be quiet in these situations, sacrificing my pride and dignity on the alter of LL?

I keep hoping for different experience here.
I try to be conscious and delicate.

This is a website after all.
One I care deeply about,
but some things are more sacred to me.

posted November 14, 2007 01:03 PM         

You are posting outright lies here in an attempt to smear mine and Lisa's character as well as Stars and that is a outright personal attack on us.

I will not bite the bait and moderate this thread which was very obviously designed to start trouble. So I sent the link to Randall and asked him to check it out and moderate. No need to edit and delete your posts and put "truce" in the place of the deleted posts as I sent the whole text to him along with the link.

I do not intend to just remain silent and allow you to spread outright lies around here about "family troubles" and everything else then edit and delete posts after we respond to your lies so it looks as if we are the ones personally attacking you instead of the other way around.

There is another "truce" post here now and my guess is that you either showed your true colors in a response to my post that you feared would ruin the image you have created for yourself at LL or you deleted a post after Lisa responded to your words.

Others may not be but I am on to your passive agressive manipulative behavior patterns, Fayte. I know them so well I can predict what you are going to do before you do it.

I predict that victim card is now going to hit the table again. I predict you will continue to edit or delete your threads and put "truce" in their place.

I made a truce months ago. You are the one who has continued to violate my personal space and the truce in attempts to provoke arguments and smear my character. I couldn't even post a simple song at UC without you coming on and presenting that as a personal attack on you. If I give an opinion you present that as a personal attack on you. If I joke around about something with another knowflake you present that as a personal attack.

posted November 14, 2007 02:16 PM         

I was one of the people who asked fayte.m to edit the post and ask for a truce and not divulge any information that could hurt or embarrass.

posted November 14, 2007 07:11 PM         

There will be a truce as long as Fayte stops what she is doing with all this revenge crap. I respect her space. I only ask that she in return respect my space and personal boundaries. We can give our opinions on the same threads even when they differ but in doing so she does not have to attempt at the same time to discredit my character and try and make it out to be something it is not. I don't need an image. I prefer being myself. I don't create any false image of myself and I don't need someone else doing it for me. They have enough work just creating and maintaining their own image. It's working overtime attempting to create images of others as well.

I also don't like what I say in posts to be taken out of context and presented by her to mean what she wants them to mean as she did on this thread. I went on and said more than what she quoted above. What I said after that clearly showed that I did not mean it the way Fayte presented it.

Fayte knew if she pushed and pushed long enough she would get direct honesty from me. I only held off on it because I do still care for Fayte. We can't ever be friends again after all the things she has done and said on the boards here at LL but that does not mean we have to be enemies either. At least not with me.