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Randall
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posted February 24, 2008 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
We need a Mod for Labors Of Love and one (possibly two) for Free-for-all. Anyone interested in consideration?

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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Node
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posted February 25, 2008 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Since no one has asked, I will. What happened to Mirandee?

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Randall
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posted February 25, 2008 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I made one of those unpopular decisions.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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Solane Star
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posted February 25, 2008 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Thats a Great ex-PLAN-ation!!!!

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Xena
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posted February 25, 2008 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xena     Edit/Delete Message
I guess I have some latent law-enforcing ability (speaking softly and carrying a big stick, anyone?).

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AcousticGod
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posted February 25, 2008 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
to Xena

I'm sorry to hear another Venusian has bitten the dust.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 25, 2008 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I dont know the whole story, but, according to Mirandee, her mod status was revoked because she dared to suggest that the laws that Randall applies to other knowflakes apply to himself and to his friends, as well. In her opinion, if other knowflakes may be criticized, Randall and his friends may be criticized, as well; if some knowflakes are banned for exposing personal, private information, then, Randall, or, at least, those friends of his who commit the same offense, should suffer the same consequences. At least, that's Mirandee's take, as I understand it. She seems to think Randall was playing favorites, and being hypocritical. Personally, I think Randall has the right to do what he wants with his own site, although, if there is an unwritten rule that says we cannot criticize him, or that he and his friends have immunity, I think that ought to be written down in the LL lawbook. It is hypocritical to support free speech and allow others to be positively hounded all over the boards (as we have seen on occassion), but to demote or ban someone the very instant that you yourself become the object of a criticism or two. I'm not saying this is what happened; its just what I've heard from others. If it is what happened, and if I were to say so, I might be banned myself, right? And, who knows, maybe I'm risking getting banned as we speak, just for letting everyone know what Mirandee and a few LL refugees think happened. I hope not. If I thought that, I might be too intimidated to speak up at all, but I have faith that Randall wouldnt do a thing like that.

Anyway, Mirandee hasnt been banned, but, she has left LL of her own accord because she believes that the leadership is corrupt, and that she was censored and demoted for trying to be fair and impartial in upholding the written rules of conduct. As she sees it, nobody is above the law, and she was only performing the duties she was appointed to perform. I wish I knew enough about it to know what the truth is. If anybody has any insight, I'd love to hear it. Of course, Randall does not have to explain his decisions to anyone. If he were to choose to do so, it would be in the spirit of an equal, and not a Webmaster. And it is in the spirit of an equal that I invite him to share with us, as one of us. I think, if he could show us that he is not threatened by having his own judgments questioned, it would do a lot to secure his reputation as a fair and benevolent ruler, who desires not only his subjects obedience, but their understanding and respect as well.



Love to all,
HSC

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NosiS
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posted February 25, 2008 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
This might clear some things up:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000349-5.html

LTT has already asked the question and Randall has responded. (Towards the end of the page)

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fieryscales
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posted February 25, 2008 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fieryscales     Edit/Delete Message
Me

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BlueRoamer
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posted February 25, 2008 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Randall is not impartial and he does play favorites. I've seen this several times

But it's also his right to do so because of his sites.

Mirandee of course was completely in the right for doing what she did, I believe Mirandee has a wise and old soul, and her decisions are made with lifetimes of wisdom.

I really don't understand how Mirandee could get revoked as a moderator and not Lalalinda, who is constantly provoking people and spewing out venom in a very immature and unprofessional fashion. But I guess the decision is his.

Oh wait, it must be because Lala is a mental midget and Randalls toady, whereas Mirandee is a wonderful, inspirational creature who thinks for herself! Silly me!

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26taurus
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posted February 25, 2008 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Misinformation
and a hunger for power
will do crazy things
to men.

"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know."
--Lao Tzu

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26taurus
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posted February 25, 2008 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
to you, Mirandee.

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ListensToTrees
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posted February 25, 2008 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
'Sarcasmo detector' going off, BR.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 25, 2008 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I'm still trying to understand.
Thank you for the link, NosiS, it helps somewhat.

So, it seems, the issue is with Mirandee's "loyalty" to LL? I saw Mirandee being loyal to the written rules of Lindaland, and, foremost, to her own good conscience. I might have missed where she expressed a preference for CE. All I see is her assertion that it is a more peaceful environment, where the rules of fairplay are more strict, or, at least, more strictly upheld. The first time I heard such an assertion it was coming from Randall himself, if I recall correctly, although he explained his own preference for what he sees as a more liberal approach to free speech here at LL.

Anyway, still shaking my head,
trying to figure this out.


Love to all,
HSC


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Randall
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posted February 25, 2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Mirandee's reasoning is in Mirandee's head only. I'm criticised all the time. It doesn't bother me. I thought I clearly explained my decision, but people will see and think what they want to. As I said, Mirandee is better suted for CE. It was an internal battle for her to be a Mod here. She defended CE at every opportunity, but I need my Mods to support the site in which they moderate. She's welcome as a Knowflake. If she leaves, that is her choice. I wish her well. Hypocrisy exists in several forms. CE encourages Peace and Love, yet that doesn't apply when they talk about us on their chatbox. Interesting dichotomy.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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ListensToTrees
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posted February 25, 2008 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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AcousticGod
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posted February 25, 2008 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message

Yes indeed, LTT. Yes indeed.

to Mirandee. Thanks for being a straight-shooter.

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NosiS
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posted February 25, 2008 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Other than Mirandee's feelings being hurt, I really don't see what the big deal is here.
Randall has given a reasonable and practical explanation for his actions. What's so hard to understand?
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Mirandee, I have nothing against you personally, and you are always welcome here at LL, but it appears to me that you are on a campaign to recruit more Members for CE at the expense of the more "negative" site (us).
-Randall

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She made a good attempt to remain impartial, but ultimately her loyalties lie elsewhere, and the one thing I must have from my Mods--right or wrong, positive or negative--is a loyalty to the site they moderate.
-Randall

So the man makes a rational, easy to follow decision and he gets made out to be some sort of repulsive, maniacal, power-hungry tyrant? Absurd (with a capital "A").

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I really don't understand how Mirandee could get revoked as a moderator and not Lalalinda, who is constantly provoking people and spewing out venom in a very immature and unprofessional fashion. But I guess the decision is his.

Oh wait, it must be because Lala is a mental midget and Randalls toady, whereas Mirandee is a wonderful, inspirational creature who thinks for herself! Silly me!


Ok, what? Seriously, take a step back and look at this passage more closely, BR.
You first mention your disapproval of lalalinda's "provoking people and spewing out venom in a very immature and unprofessional fashion" and then turn right back around and express the very same behavior that you were abhorring in the first place! Horseradish! >:|

It's always surprising to me when people harshly criticize others without having the slightest idea of what it would be like if they were in that other person's position. Do you think you could do better, perhaps?
Ok, that's fine. Nothing wrong with disagreeing. However, if you think you will not be judged as partial, nor accused of picking favorites, then you might want to wake up to the reality of our human condition before you go off and become a webmaster of your own.

Mirandee is still alive, you know. She can be visited at CE, if you're all worried about not seeing her again. I am a member there, too, and I think it is a great site. I don't think it's better than LL, or more spiritual (which actually was an implication that Mirandee was making, if you followed her posts closely) but it's a cool site. Like Randall has mentioned, he has no problem with anyone being a member there, including mods. His issue with Mirandee was much clearer than that and if you could clear your heads a bit, you might just be able to see that.

There's no enemy here. No, sirree.

Just another human being, figuring things out like the rest of us.

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Randall
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posted February 25, 2008 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Well said.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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ghanima81
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posted February 25, 2008 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Randall is always rational. Nuff said.

, dear one!

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Randall
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posted February 25, 2008 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Any takers on the original question?

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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fieryscales
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posted February 25, 2008 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fieryscales     Edit/Delete Message
Me ?

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ghanima81
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posted February 25, 2008 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I'd say me... but I really don't know that much about code and all that...

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AcousticGod
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posted February 25, 2008 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Xena answered the call.

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lalalinda
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posted February 25, 2008 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
How about BlueRoamer?

not!

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