posted August 20, 2008 04:11 PM         

"I think it's funny how you're not even into him but he has you in some way. How romantic! Poor DD, she wants her singer without logical explanation... aww..."
You making fun of me? YOU?
Romantic? Hmm, don`t know about this. But yes, he has me in some way, and the fact that I can`t explain it logically, also means that this time I have no way to escape to logic to analyze these feelings, until there`s nothing left of them.
Oh I will go on analyzing, of course, but there is always a little bit, that is just beyond me and my little mind.

"On the other hand, maybe it's a good sign that your synastry isn't what you normally find in the majority of your other syn charts."
Yes, actually I think I prefer an attraction based on the actual personalities to an attraction based on fleeting rush of excitement or dreams. (I would like a bit involvement of Pluto`s passion though ).

posted August 20, 2008 10:01 PM         

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You making fun of me? YOU?

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And what is THAT supposed to mean, missy?? What, meta can't make fun of you? Or meta can't make fun of you on romantic endeavors because meta likes Ralph Fiennes? Which is it, and choose your words carefully, for i will reach through this monitor and slap your arse silly!

posted August 21, 2008 09:43 AM         

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How dare you say that leos are full of themselves!!! I'm don't have ANY PRIDE! I'm offended! Sincerely. I can't believe you all would turn your backs on me after i took you in out of the good of my heart. I fed you, bathed you, gave you a forum over your heads! And this is the thanks i get?! Some friends you are.

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so typical of a leo to want to be given credit for everything. and to let us know when they haven't.

ho hum, ho hum.

posted August 21, 2008 10:00 AM         

no I was referring to Jason, who used Medea to further.

But Lilith wouldn`t let anyone use her. When she realized, she was stuck in an unequal relationship and that Adam wouldn`t change, she left.

I think that it`s nearly impossible to manipulate Lilith into doing something. She would rather be killed (actually one Italian Astrologer sais she has found her prominent in the charts of victims of sexual violence leading to death, but I don`t want to go there. This is just too extreme).

posted August 21, 2008 10:49 AM         

This ind of "passion" could also make it easier for the other person to take advantage of us. It could very well be a sign of a risk to get involved in an abusive relationship (it doesn`T have to be this way, but it could be; I think a remedy might be if both person`s MEdea`s are strongly aspected, cause then both would be desperately passionate about one another and noone would really have the upper hand).

posted August 21, 2008 11:22 AM         

he could very well be a bit vain and attention seeking (He`s an actor after all). And he has a rather short attention-span. lol

I remember when we were chatting, there were a lot of other people, too. And he just had such URanian-like mental leaps. Like while he was giving an autograph to these girls, that had been waiting there, too. He would suddenly say: "Tommy Hilfiger or something similiar". And everyone was just staring at him, but I got it instantly, that he was talking about the perfume; and he then asked wondered aloud what this scent was, Tommy Hilfiger or what, because it smelled so good, and of what it reminded him. Looking from me to the girls back to me again. He seemed to be pretty convinced that i was wearing that scent. But I really didn`t. lol
But I guess he has a fine nose, he had been educated as a chemical worker, before he became a singer.
lol But the expression on the girl`s faces were priceless. I think they thought he had gone mad or something, because they couldn`t see why he brought this up. But he is having a MErcury in Sag (like me) and we tend to bring up whatever just flashes through our mind, as if there are no controlling mechanism.
And a bit later, when I had asked him about the chart and he said that he didn`t know his birthtime, an aquaitance (apparently) came along. And he told me he wanted to say hello but that I should wait and he would get to me in a second.
Which surprised me, because I thought our talk was finished and that was a good opportunity for him to get away. lol
But he actually just said Hello and instantly came back to me and then called his mom. And then he started explaining to me how his pager works. I don`t know until today why he felt the need to explain this to me. But it was interesting, it had been so crowded, so many people there, and as I said he has a rather short attention span, because he perceives too much of his environment and wants to react to everything (Sagittarius, so typical), but at that point we had actually turned our backs onto all the other people (or he had turned that way) and leaning over his pager so he could show me how it works.

It was the weirdest encounter I ever had, I assure you. With some very very weird dynamic going on.

He wasn`t calm enough to be a Leo, btw, much too energetic. He wasn`t hectical either, just I don`t know, maybe there was still adrenaline inside him from the show.

So, maybe he is vain and attentionseeking and selfcentred, I don`t know. But I rather had the feeling that he was interested in many things and many people, quite open.

Oh btw in our first meeting chart there was Eros in Gemini conjunct the DSC. And a Moon-Pluto-Juno (on his natal Sun, Moon and MC and Eros-Psyche-mp and my natal Sun and Sun-Venus-mp) conjunction in 1st house as well as a Sun-Venus-Sappho-conjunction in Taurus / Gemini in 6th house.

What a strange evening that was!

EDIT:
BTW I just accidentally checked his draconic progressed chart, and his progressed Draco Sun, Moon, Mercury and MC are all in Leo; Draco Sun and MOon even being conjunct the lunar ecclipse.
And those aspects that seem to be missing in the progressed tropical synastry, are right there in the Draco`s, at least on a first glance.

His Draco progressed Sun is moving into a conjunction to my Draco progressed Moon, which will be exact on 16th october.
ON that same day my progressed Draco Sun will be conjunct his progressed Draco Pluto and Draco ASC.
His progressed Draco Moon will just have left an opposition to my tropical natal Moon and my tropical progressed Mercury, Venus and Antivertex.

His progressed Sun is just moving into a conjunction with my progressed Draco Pluto.

My progressed Draco Mercur, VEnus and Antivertex are approaching a conjunction to my own SN, which is the exact degree of his natal Isis and opposing his DSC-ruler.

Oh and I almost missed that, his Draconic tropical Venus is conjunct the progressed conjunction of his Draco Sun and my Draco Moon, and coincides with the degree of that lunar ecclipse and opposes our natal Psyche`s.

posted August 22, 2008 02:32 AM         

I associate this ~ possibly quite wrongly ~ with the sign of Sagittarius.

posted August 22, 2008 05:20 PM         

Hmm.. maybe what i was sensing was his Draco then...? I don't know. I never really thought about feeling vibes from someone's DRACO chart. But then again, i've been wrong before. Though it doesn't happen often xp

To be honest, i don't know enough about Draco astrology to make any good statement about what you wrote. I'm sorry. I'm a failure. I'll have to do my research and then get back to you.

posted August 22, 2008 05:38 PM         

well, I once read that Edgar Cayce had seen the charts / signs of people in his trances; but he didn`t see so much the tropical ones, he saw the Draco placements! I thought this was astonishing.

Does that mean other perceive me as a complex mixture of Mars / ASC in Pisces, Sun, MErcury and Venus in Aries and Moon in Gemini then?

The draco`s can be interpreted like natal placements, equally important, but with the adding of a deeper soul-connection, karma, previous lives and destiny in this life.

EDIT:
I forced myself to stay away from his videos and cd`s (at least not spend ALL the time watching him) for two days, and I feel like an addict without her drug.
Jeez, that is way over my head. How can I miss someone, I have only seen about twice or thrice (at least face to face) and spoken to once, for some 20 minutes?
That is crazy.

2nd EDIT:

Or maybe I`d have to look at my progressed Draco planets?

Sun in 22° Taurus in 4th house
Moon in 26° Leo in 8th house
Venus-Mercury-conjunction in 10° GEmini in 5th house
Mars in 21° Aries in 3rd house
ASC on 26° Aries

What a difference to my tropical natal placements! So, it`s not a coincidence that all at once the people with high Leo, Taurus and Aries-emphasis appear in my life? And I have never had much to do with Leo`s or TAurus-people.

Well, Patrick is Sagittarius and there have been lately some Sagittarians getting my attention.
But then I see that Draco Jupiter falls into Cancer into Draco 7th house!

Ruler of progressed Draco 7th house being Moon in 8th house. Ruler of 8th house being in 4th. Ruler of 5th being in 5th.

posted August 23, 2008 04:11 AM         

I have a stellium in Sagittarius, but I clearly am not hyperactive, at least in a physical sense.
But I wonder if I maybe am hyperactive mentally. I can never shut down my mind, my thinking, and I get fascinated with ideas and then there is another idea and I leap onto that one and then another, and I want to think through all ideas at the same time, and get angry because it is impossible.
And I hate slow thinkers, or worse slow speakers. They drive me crazy. If I know what they want to say BEFORE they know themselves and to wait for them to speak, it just drives me mad. I don`t like that side of me, clearly not, and I usually have it under control now. Interestingly, if someone is learning something like my pupils, I can be very patient.

But yes, in a way I understood his being. Actually it made me smile, because it reminded me a bit of me. I rmember how I used to drive my family and friends crazy with my mental leaps that noone could follow, or sometimes when I was talking to someone and walking on his or her left side, something from the side would catch my interest, and I would stop short, without telling the other people that I had stopped. Or I suddenly would reappear on the other side of my friends.
The thing is I was with them mentally the whole time, and I followed what they said, even if I for a time was also paying attention to this "new" thing (a flower, a baloon or whatever. lol).

posted August 23, 2008 01:35 PM         

It's funny that you say that because i think i do look at you as very much an Air-Fire person. The only time that i see you as Water-like is when we're talking about what you were like in past relationships. And, ironically, you're not like that anymore!

I can see you as a Gemini. Very easily.

posted August 24, 2008 03:33 PM         

"i do look at you as very much an Air-Fire person."
Really? Funny, even though I have such a fire dominance and Moon in Air I never identified with the fire-side of myself. But I wasn`t really allowed to express it either (my Mom`s Virgo-Moon squares my Sag-Sun and Mercury; her Scorpio-Mercury squared my Aqua-Moon; never underestimate the destructive power of a Moon-Mercury-square as double whammy).

Actually, it was only when I read Liz Greene`s description of the Fire element that I could really identify with.

I do think that probably some of the Fire is leaking out now and then, just I somehow don`t recognize it myself.

" The only time that i see you as Water-like is when we're talking about what you were like in past relationships. And, ironically, you're not like that anymore!"
I guess, it`s not that easy.
Of course it`s still inside me.
But it has mixed with some more airy thoughts and attitudes. And some opinions really have changed.
But I think there is a big difference in how I FEEL (if I allow myself to feel, that is) and how I ACT.
My feelings, I mean if I`m really infatuated with someone or even becoming really attached to someone, can be quite bottomless.

I mean, I can tell as much as I want, how I can control my emotions and can switch them on and off.
But fact is, I mostly try to avoid coming into contact with feelings (Especially LOVE or IN LOVE-feelings), because I get sucked in, wanting it or not, reasonable or not.
I mean, look how I have not been able to shut up about Patrick. I`m completely obsessed with him, I can`t even recall one hour that i haven`t been thinking of him, since I saw him in may, and worse, since I saw him last month.
And it´s not that I didn`t try stop thinking about him. I even forced myself staying away from hearing his voice, watchin videos, as I was thinking it would get easier then: Out of sight - out of mind you know?
It doesn`t work.

This fascination with him, it`s definitely not a very airy way to behave. Maybe there is something of the fiery zeal there, I don`t know.

But that is how I FEEL, I know the boundaries to act though.
So I`d say the emotional element is still strong inside me, but it gets counterchecked now and then.

"but some of my Draco chart placements make me wonder..."
Where are your Draco placements?

posted August 24, 2008 03:56 PM         

Sorry. I didn't mean to make an inaccurate assumption. I just wanted to hint that i see you more as an Air/Fire sign than anything. I definitely don't see earth in you. Water every now and then. But like you said, you're more water-like than you like to let on. Which is fine. You don't have owe me or anyone an explanation. You don't have to proove anything. If you want to talk about your feelings, great. If not, that's fine too. I don't want to pressure you... which i feel i tend to do about emotional matters. I know this about myself, that i'm very demanding on emotional matters. But i want you to know that you don't have to tell me anything you don't feel comfortable dispelling.

My Draco-

posted August 24, 2008 04:20 PM         

no need to feel sorry. You didn`t pressure me. Actually I am as stubborn as a donkey, noone will make me do things I don`t want to do. (I guess having Draco progressed Sun in Taurus and MOon in LEo helps with the stubbornness ).

NO, what I tell you here, I WANT to say.
And I know that I don`t OWE you or anyone an explanation, but I like to give it.
It`s a way to explain to myself, too.

you´re right there is only little earth in me (Venus in Capricorn), and I am not like that. (Venus - Pluto- square might modify this even more, and the fact that there is just no EArth in my DRaco chart).

Regarding the DRaco . WOW.
Remember how we looked at our synastry and didn`t find all too much.

WEll, I see some things in the Dracos:

- your DR Sun conjunct my Pluto / MC
- your DR Moon opposite my Pluto
- your DR Moon conjunct my IC
- your DR Moon conjunct my DR Karma
- your DR Mars opposing my Venus
- Your DR ASC conjunct my Venus (btw your DR ASC is EXACTLY conjunct my progressed ASC!)
- your DR Pluto conjunct my Venus
- your DR Lilith conjunct my DR Mars and DR ASC

posted August 24, 2008 11:32 PM         

That's crazy!!! No wonder i kept getting those restrained feelings from you.

I remember i told you once to just let yourself feel whatever it is you were feelings and not to be so hard on yourself and you said that was right on the button. But nothing in our synastry really touched on a deep connection.

posted August 26, 2008 04:31 PM         

Did you see PA around here somewhere?
She seems to have gone missing.

As well as Blue Moon.

Don`t tell me those people actually have a LIFE outside the internet.

But yes, the Draconic stuff is pretty deep, I agree.

posted August 26, 2008 05:22 PM         

"Come out, come out, whereever you are."

Having said that, I have found a new musical-interest. This time really a musical, not the actor.
"Dracula" by Wildhorn. Oh these lyrics, I love them, as well as the melodies.
I also love Drew Sarich as Dracula; but interestingly I like him in that role only. I am extremely uninterested in him otherwise. But in this role, very....nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6IwvjGgoY

The Seduction" from Dracula the Musical (by Frank Wildhorn).

It seems to have best bits from the songs "The Mist", "There's Always a Tommorrow", and "Please Don't Make Me Love You".

Sung by Christianne Noll (Emma in the Original Broadway cast of "Jekyll & Hyde") as Mina and Douglas Sills (Percy in the Original Broadway cast of "The Scarlet Pimpernel") as Dracula.

Movie clips feature Winona Ryder as Mina and Gary Oldman as Dracula.

Dracula:
Ever since I saw you, shivers down my spine, you're the one.
Mina, you're the chosen one, I'm here to make you mine.
You're the one, out of all the those I've known,
All my centuries alone, you are flesh of my flesh for all time.
I've commanded armies, I've defeated kings,
But today, seeing you this way, armies and kings seem trivial things,
Empty and trivial things.

Mina:
Please don't make me love you,
Please don't make me need you,
You know very well I can't turn you away.
I can feel the nightfall, I embrace your darkness,
But must I give up all the beauties of day?

Dracula:
You have no conception of what lies ahead,
Such delights, flooding day and night. Gloriously...

Mina:
Don't torture me...

Dracula:
... gloriously undead.
Pure pleasure for infinity. Why should we all be born to die?
I offer you my love, eternal love,
A love unchanging as the stars above.
My blood will be your blood, my bed will be your bed,
Together we will face the centuries ahead.
And when the world's grown old, our gold will still be gold.
Surrender to me, Mina.

Mina:
My eyes are closing helplessly,
I feel I am losing all control.

Dracula:
You have that far away look in your eyes,
A look that nothing spoken can disguise,
It tells me that you feel the things you want to feel,
Your body wants me now, some things you can't conceal,
We'll live ours and then we'll live them once again.
There's always a tomorrow.
There's always a tomorrow.
There's always one more night.