posted October 18, 2008 09:14 AM         

That is so stellar. But very rare, I believe/imagine.

posted October 18, 2008 09:19 AM         

"Maybe it's just the word "opposition" that sets the tone."
Yes, maybe it`s just the word. Maybe we see different things when we speak of "opposition" or "tension".

"But I don't like sex without love. Generally. It's not the same. I like intimacy."
That is what I wanted to say.
Sex without intimacy is just sex.

"For some reason, and I can't explain why - a really strong feeling on this one - I have to disagree based purely on feeling."
Maybe I will have to revise my thoughts about that one. Could be. In the study of progressed synastry the trine, along with the conjunction and opposition, appeared as the strongest attracting factor. So maybe it does. AFter all it connects the same elements, it oculd be stronger than I give it credit.
Still, I think if you have a trine and a conjunction / opposition, the conjunction or opposition will create the most buzz, and the trine will get noticed a bit later on.

"oo much of the same energy can work if the two people are constantly evolving and that their individual evolution is supported by the partnership."
I`m not sure about this. Maybe they could work as a team, but they couldnīt show each other new things to learn, because they would have the same perception of things.
They still would need other people or outer events to get some growth going. Then they could grow side by side along those events. But they wouldnīt CAUSE the growth in each other by their personality.

It all comes down to what we seek I think.

"I think you can have stimulation in conjunctions too."
Yes, yin and yang planets would always stimulate each other.

"calming aspects because two qualities are in oppositon to each other - it doesn't mean that one is stimulating and the other calming to begin with."
I donīt think I understand what you are saying here.

However, oppositions are not oppositions in the sense that one wants a family and the other one never wats to marry for example.
There is one issue they have in common.
Gemini and Sagittarius for example: it is the information or knowledge axis.
Both strive for expanding their horizons, widen their knowledge of things.
That is what they have in common,t heir goal and purpose.
But they do it in slightly different ways.
SAgittarius wants to see the whole, the synthesis, and communication revolves around the big philosophy of life.
Gemini sees the little pieces and put them together, and he strives for daily communication and puts together his philosophy from there.

Now, Sagittarius in his drive to see the whole tends to overlook the little details,w hich make him fall after a while and can start preaching to his folks (I apologize if I come across that way), until noone can understand him anymore, because he is just too much "over" the real life; then he needs the Gemini to get him into contact with real people again, to integrate his big philosophy into daily life.

Gemini on the other hand can get stuck in collection single informations without ever getting a broad overlook and may forget to develop an own philosophy (because he is busy gathering more nad more informations) and Sagittarius can help him see the big whole a bit better.

posted October 18, 2008 09:21 AM         

you know what the irony is?
I do not even have ONE opposition natally. And I have never experienced being drawn to someone who has major oppositions to my chart.

posted October 18, 2008 09:22 AM         

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It all comes down to what we seek I think.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:25 AM         

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"calming aspects because two qualities are in oppositon to each other - it doesn't mean that one is stimulating and the other calming to begin with."
I donīt think I understand what you are saying here.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:27 AM         

"That is so stellar. But very rare, I believe/imagine."
Yes, It hink it`s not a very ordinary thing to come across. Actually I have never seen another synastry like that.
You know whose synastry that is, dont you?

Saturn opposition NN is the same as Saturn conjunct SN.
I better not think about this one, it scares me.
It`s been called an aspect of lifelong glue as well as a separating aspect.
I can see both interpretations relevant; Saturn gives so much sincerity and focus that some people just can`t bear it and try to tear that tie apart.

I also think it might mean that there has been a past life connection, which had the note of being controlled or even "locked up".
Something not so funny.
In that particular synastry there is also an aspection between Pluto and Karma. Go figure.

His DR Pluto opposing my Karma
his Pluto conjunct my dr Karma

posted October 18, 2008 09:27 AM         

Voyeur!

posted October 18, 2008 09:28 AM         

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You know whose synastry that is, dont you?

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DUH!

posted October 18, 2008 09:28 AM         

Real life example:
My Dad`s taurus-Moon opposes my Mum`s Scorpio-Sun.

They are very different characters, agreed. And they discuss a lot, agreed.

But at the end of the day he is the only one who can get her out of her black moods, by providing another perspective.
Mostly t hat perspective involves doing gardening together, taking her out for lunch or for a long walk in the fresh air or just hugging her, so she finds a way out of her dark thoughts.

If he had Moon in Scorpio instead, he probably would understand her moods even better, but the risk would be that they delved into them together and stayed there.

posted October 18, 2008 09:30 AM         

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Saturn opposition NN is the same as Saturn conjunct SN.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:32 AM         

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A heavy burden and very much powerplay, I guess.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:34 AM         

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No, NOT RAFE, what do you think,girl?

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I wish you and Ralph much happiness together DD.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:35 AM         

Well, the NN-Saturn-opposition could also be seen as a denial to move on I think, to get stuck in the past,probably out of fear or familiarity of the pattern.

posted October 18, 2008 09:39 AM         

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Pluto opposing Karma - easy? I do not really think so

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posted October 18, 2008 09:46 AM         

Disagree on Pluto - I think we tend to underestimate him a bit. Yes, he is transformative and that is a positive thing in the end.
But the process of transformation is usually pretty painful. However you define painful. Maybe deeply emotional is a better word. But in most cases there is an element of pain and ache attached to it.

Iīve just been through the whole Pluto-Sun/Mercury-transit process. Believe me there is a price for the transformation, even if it is necessary and positive in the backsight.

posted October 18, 2008 10:09 AM         

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without that feeling of overidentification and confusion about where I end and he begins

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posted October 18, 2008 12:37 PM         

And while you`re sleeping I will say some more things.

I know what you mean with wanting a male version of you.
Actually I think I want that, too. Maybe I even need that, too.
And I certainly would feel very much at ease and yet attracted to someone, with whom I have a common ground.
But I often wonder, despite WANTING that, would I be able to live with a second ME?
Wouldn`t I get bored or choked or something like that?
Even though if he was really like me, he would have the same need for some space and free time as I do, so it could actually work.

Oh and btw, Sean and me have some natal similiarities, too.
His Sun in Aries - my sun in a fire sign and in Aries house
his Moon conjunct Uranus - my Moon in Aqua
his Mrcury in Aries - my Mercury in fire and Arieshouse
his Venus in Gemini - my DSC in Gemini
his Venus square Pluto - my Venus square Pluto
his Mars opposite Saturn - my Venus in Capricorn

I think without such similiarities in the natals I couldn`t be tempted by an opposition. I mean there are a lot of people whose Venus will oppose my Mars or vice versa, but I rarely feel attracted to them in any way.