posted October 18, 2008 12:43 PM         

sorry that I ahven`t addressed your question about Uranus and Neptune earlier.

I don`t really know how to interprete that. And even if they fall in relationshi houses, they are still generational.
I think you would need the involvement of a personal planet to trigger a personal response.
But maybe there is?
Are those aspeccts connecting to any personal planets`?

Oh and on Mars - Pluto, I do not have the trine, I only have a sextile.
And interestingly Jude`s Pluto sextiles my Mars exactly.

actually it is pretty funny, we seem to repeat the dominant natal conjunctions in synastry and make it more exact.

Example:
Both of us have a Neptune-ASC-conjunction natally (his with an orb of 3, mine with and orb of 3).
And in the synastry, my Neptune exactly conjuncts his ASC and his exactly conjuncts my ASC.

Or that Mars-Pluto-aspect.
My sextile is 4°, but his Pluto exactly sextiles my Mars.

posted October 18, 2008 12:57 PM         

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The primary relation between Mars and Venus is very important and you wouldn't want these two grating each other all the time in a long relationship.

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Got no choice, have I? It's on my natal chart. There will always be grating between Mars and Venus in my life.

I know more than one person who feels trapped in the 'like brother and sister' thing, I'm not, and I'm grateful for my good fortune. So I'm not going to criticise the long-term friction of Venus Square Mars on my synastry chart.

p.s

mr bm has the the natal Trine, wide at 8 degrees. I think that brings a positive influence into the mix, a bit of sophistication. I'll think about it and get back to you.

posted October 18, 2008 01:08 PM         

my Antivertex conjunct his NN (4)
my Saturn conjunct his SN (0)
my Eros conjunct his SN (4)

his Venus conjunct my NN (3)
his Saturn conjunct my SN (5)
his neptune conjunct my NN (4)
his ASC conjunct my NN (0)

This is what I found on the net on some of these:

Venus conjunct, sextile, or trine other person's North Node
This pairing is a strong indication of a binding tie between you. You are likely to find it easy to cooperate with one another, perhaps even combining your talents successfully. A major focus of this relationship is romantic love, and in all likelihood the feelings for one another were instant. There is a true feeling of enjoyment and pleasure with one another.

When the Ascendant in your chart forms an aspect to your partner's North Node,
When the Ascendant conjuncts the North Node or South Node in synastry, there is an immediate and powerful connection between two people. The relationship seems "meant to be" in some way, and you may have met under unusual circumstances. This represents a highly personal bond. It is not necessarily romantic by nature, but when it exists in the chemistry between romantic partners, there is a strong attachment to each other. This connection goes beyond physical attraction, as you explore, through each other, your own personalities. Neither of you much wants to let go of the other. If you were to separate and then meet again, there would be little "catching up" to do, as your connection is immediate and familiar. Was it your destiny to meet? Whether you believe in destiny or not, this relationship feels very meaningful to you both.

Also found this link
http://www.zodiacal.com/articles/geisler/dragon.htm

"When the nodes of one person lay across the ascendant/descendant line of the other, the node person will stick like glue to the other. Such contacts are lifelong ties and no matter how much time has passed since people have seen each other, the power of the node will reawaken the relationship very readily. In the charts of family members, the closeness is intense."

" Saturn to the south node is a practically unbreakable tie in this life. It shows some important lessons will be learned through the relationship and it will bring heavy obligation at some point.

I recall seeing such ties between a man and his wife who had what could only be called an "open" marriage for several years before it eventually settled down with the birth of a child. I would feel sorry for any woman who expected a fling between her and the husband to lead to his divorce. It never would. His south node fell on his wife's Saturn. Her south node fell on his Saturn. I believe they are nearing at least 40 years of marriage. "

At a loss for words....

Not really, but it does sound like pretty strong stuff, doesn`t it?

EDIT: My astrology program sais about Venus conjunct NN:

This is the combination for lovers. The North Node and Venus are both highly significant in relationship astrology indicating that this association was written in the stars. It is also likely that A and B are in love, desiring to form a close and romantic bond, rather than remain friends only. Passion, romantic love and an intense desire to relate are central to this relationship. Within moments of meeting A and B feel they have known each other for years. They enjoy each other's company, discovering pleasures in common. If circumstances dictate that their relationship can only be a friendship, they would be wise to tread very carefully. This is not an association to take lightly. It could easily take over A or B's lives. In some circumstances this combination of Venus and the North Node can indicate an association formed for artistic or creative projects."

posted October 18, 2008 01:15 PM         

as it is part of your natal I think you really NEED that kind of friction.

Also, one thing which we didn`t really address and what is most important is the existence of multiple planetary configuration like your Grand Cross with Mr BM for example.

posted October 18, 2008 04:58 PM         

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sorry that I ahven`t addressed your question about Uranus and Neptune earlier.

I don`t really know how to interprete that. And even if they fall in relationshi houses, they are still generational.
I think you would need the involvement of a personal planet to trigger a personal response.
But maybe there is?
Are those aspeccts connecting to any personal planets`?

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That's OK.
Re Conj - my Sun/Merc both Square it. Sun rules my 5th. My Saturn widely squares the conj but out of aspect too (7 deg) and Saturn rules my MC. The conj widely (7 deg) opposes his chart ruling Mars.

Re Trine - It actually is part of a grand trine between us. The last planet is Jupiter, ruler of my 9th. The grand trine also sits on my AC (ie Jup conj my AC). My Moon (ruler of 4th) is sextile his Uranus.

Because the aspects are occurring over personal houses, it has a bit more weight but you right about them being generational.

Otherwise, his Mars is square my Sun - which is disassociate but he would be the one who is getting hot and bothered. The only other thing really is the Eros square Psyche. I'm Eros and I'm getting bothered. But the sense of knowledge, that's the question. Probably a combination of both but it was interesting about the ESP thing re Nep-Ura.

Anyway, thanks for having a look DD

posted October 18, 2008 05:00 PM         

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Learn martial arts. If you don't already. Do it. Best thing.

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posted October 18, 2008 05:02 PM         

Now, how do I become an American citizen?

posted October 18, 2008 05:25 PM         

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HER EROS IN AQUARIUS:
Cosmically activated by amethyst, aka ‘metamorphosis’. She is working at an elevated psychic level, so give her the rock that converts energies from low to high. Heavy stuff.
She warns to hear: This is about us, it’s not about the rules.
Her lover ideal is a rebel, nonconformist and politically progressive free spirit.
She cares not for convention and often recoils from socially sanctioned lovers. Her dream is that she can have a relationship of equals, unmarred by fuddy-duddy ideas of what a love affair ought to be. The sexist or patronizing male does not stand a chance with this woman. Her heart is essentially free and the true lover of Eros in Aquarius is the man who wouldn’t want to fence her in, even if he could. She’s willing to wait for as long as it takes for that one guy who understands her on the spot.

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I wish:

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HER EROS AQUARIUS/HIS PSYCHE TAURUS: KARMA DRAMA!
These two are totally destined to meet and make a maximum impact upon one another. This cosmic scenario naturally makes for some tempestuous scenes a long with the classic make up/break up dynamic. Just as waves allow the ocean to craft a relentless change to a coastline, this relationship is about long-term transformations. These soulmates often have to face challenges to be with their lover and then the affair becomes its own pressure cooker of change. Its as if, despite their deep and abiding attraction toward one another, neither can be in the relationship as they are. The romance thus proves cathartic with each party ringing in profound changes: personality, belief, goals, lifestyle - even looks. The most instant manifestation of this so-destined love affair is that each person seems to beg in a process of metamorphosis. Some call it crazy love but this destined duo doesn’t give a damn.

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HIS EROS ARIES/HER PSYCHE GEMINI: COLLABORATORS IN LOVE!
Serendipity strikes hard and fast as these two suddenly wake up to the fact that they’re fully in love. Yes, this couple is the most likely to al ready know one another - perhaps they are even the cliched just good friends, when suddenly one night, IT happens. Oh, dear. There so naturally compatible and happy together that they often bond on a purely platonic level, knowing right from the start that this person is someone they want to have in their lives indefinitely. Consciously or otherwise, they don’t want to blow it via some psychodramatic lust scenario. So? So they suppress their real feelings. Should true love run its destined course, this couple is a teamworking duo evoking sustained mutual stimulation to help them ride out the ruts of long-term love. The best expression of this relationship is that of real partnering. They’re mates in every sense of the word.

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posted October 18, 2008 05:54 PM         

I`d say there is a chance the Uranus / Neptune might really relate to ESP, as it is in relationship house and connected to personal planets.

No ERos-Psyche-aspects in usual synastry with Jude. But does the conjunction of his Psyche and my Draco Eros count? It is exact almost to the minute! (0°01 orb actually).

(We have an exact Eros-Eros-trine natally,t oo)

posted October 18, 2008 05:58 PM         

as a Sean Bean fan, have you seen "Lady Chatterley"?

Oh and I came across the trailer to the film "Equilibrium" with Christian Bale and Sean Bean, and I thought Christian was just looking amazing in a rather cool way. And I am not just talking about his look here, but the way he moved, his facial expressions and the way he gestured.
There seemed to be something quite dangerous and definitely hot lurking under a cool, detached surface. Some Anger and passion kept in check by the display of cold control. (Is that his Sun in Aqua, which hides his Moon in Aries?)

posted October 18, 2008 06:19 PM         

have you all checked your Draco-synastry to see if there is a soulconnection underneath it all?

Meta,

I risked a glance at yours and Ralph`s Draco synastry, and couldn`t help but notice that his Draco Venus-Neptune-Eros seems to fall onto your tropical Venus and Chiron.

And that your Draco Juno-Pluto-conjunction falls onto his tropical Sun.

posted October 18, 2008 06:47 PM         

Draco - Draco (his planets first):

Sun conjunct Antivertex
Moon opposite Pluto
Moon conjunct IC
Saturn opposite Neptune and Lust
Saturn conjunct DSC
Pluto oposite Juno
Juno conjunct Venus
karma conjunct Moon
Eros conjunct Venus
Psyche conjunct Sun and Mercury
Amor conjunct IC
Amore opposite Pluto

his Draco - my tropical

Moon conjunct Destinn
Venus opposite Uranus
Mars opposite Moon
Pluto conjunct Venus
Chiron conjunct Staurn, Vertex and eros
Karma conjunct DSc
Union conjunct Mars, ASC and NN
Lust conjunct Venus

his tropical - my Draco

Sun opposite chiron
Moon conjunct Venus
Venus conjunct Pluto
Uranus opposite Venus
Neptune opposite Moon
Pluto conjunct Karma
Juno conjunct Pluto and MC
Destinn conjunct ASC
Eros conjunct Pluto and MC
Lust conjunct Karma
amor conjunct Venus

I don`t do it intentionally, I swear!

posted October 18, 2008 07:17 PM         

actually I like your Draco synastry with him better. It seems to reflect the connection you feel to him.

His Draco Juno, Eros and Venus fall onto your Draco Chiron, ASC, Sun and Karma.
And all of that is pretty near to your tropical Venus!

His Draco Moon and Amor fall onto your Draco IC.

Curiously I also looked at your Draco synastry with Colin, to see if there was anything that indicated strong immediate sexual attraction.

Well his Draco Suna nd Venus falling onto your Draco Uranus and DSC definitely would contribute to some sizzling feelings.

His Aphrodite also conjuncts your Mars and Destinn: Aphrodite and Mars - very passionate.

And what do I notice in your Draco comparision with RDJ?

Your eros falls onto his Sun, Venus and Psyche.

A Moon-Moon-conjunction in Pisces.

And your Aphrodite and Union fall onto his karma, Eros and DSC.

I`m sure it would be VERY interesting to also compare your Draco to tropical synastry.

posted October 18, 2008 08:45 PM         

Oh hey, i was just watching Reign of Fire (for the first time) with Christian and Gerry-

Christian is DEFFFFF a Scorpio ASC. Def. No doubt in my mind. I might suck at guessing ASCs, but he is Scorpio Rising, or else i'm a duck.

posted October 18, 2008 08:47 PM         

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Good night meta. I hope you have sweet dreams of Rafe..................with me. Oh, my! He's just like he is in the movies!

ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL.

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posted October 18, 2008 08:53 PM         

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Well, she made it sound like she just couldn't resist him. I'm sure in her head she's thinking it's not right and it's unprofessional, etc - but..........

if JT came up to you mid-concert - and was all over you - would you tell him to get back on stage or keep going?

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Seriously, I'd send him back. I couldn't think of anything more embarrassing than having that happen to me mid-concert. The audience would then try and kill me! Good God, it seriously is terrifying, I can't think of it. I think I'd have to get out of the stadium/hall if it happened.

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Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

posted October 18, 2008 08:54 PM         

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Did enjoy watching meta's post of Rafe on YouTube - Inside The Actor's Studio. He's got a terrible giggle - such a little boy. And somehow that is like sugar to meta.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:00 PM         

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I truly hate to admit this but in quite a few pictures Rafe is rather handsome.

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*ASTONISHMENT GALORE******

*THE HEAVENS PART AND ANGELS SING "Oh Happy Day..."****

posted October 18, 2008 09:02 PM         

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PA - you know she's going to kill you....

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posted October 18, 2008 09:08 PM         

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Actually, I do have Mars trine Pluto with Rafe, but it's a very wide orb. And Anderson Cooper too. I love that guy. But alas, we all know the story there.

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LMAO!

It really is a shame AC is gay. I would agree with you on him, PA, VERY good looking. Not really my type personality wise, but sexy nevertheless.

posted October 18, 2008 09:13 PM         

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I didn`t want to dismiss the validity of a Mars-Pluto-aspect. I just wanted to point out that it`s neither soft nor romantic in itself.

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Seriously, DD? I would have thought Mars/Pluto to be HIGHLY sexual.

But i do agree with you on the Venus/Mars opp- strongest attraction indicator between Venus/Mars. Other than Venus/Pluto, i'd say it WAS the strongest attraction indicator between planets.

posted October 18, 2008 09:14 PM         

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Meta, PA, BM and 23,

have you all checked your Draco-synastry to see if there is a soulconnection underneath it all?

Meta,

I risked a glance at yours and Ralph`s Draco synastry, and couldn`t help but notice that his Draco Venus-Neptune-Eros seems to fall onto your tropical Venus and Chiron.

And that your Draco Juno-Pluto-conjunction falls onto his tropical Sun.

Intense and romantic stuff I`d say.

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*GASPPP***

DD,

I don't know what that all means, but it sounds serious. Should i be nervous-because i am...

All jokes aside, when i read that, something happened to me physically. It was like a jerk throughout my body. A jolt. My throat feels sorta tight. Pretty ridiculous, i know, but i can't help it. I feel like i'm not insane... i feel like there is reasoning behind all of my rambling.

posted October 18, 2008 09:21 PM         

I read your aspects with Christian Bale-

I didn't know you were that hung up on him. How much do you feel for him? What is the nature of your relationship (romantic, sexual, emotional, mental, etc)?

The Saturn opp Lust and Nep might damper it a bit. And Saturn on DC.

posted October 18, 2008 09:52 PM         

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Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

If you were being serious though, you're dumb. Dumber than dumb. You're RDJ!

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I don't know what to think of this remark. Not sure who it is aimed to. It hurt a raw nerve though. I've already explained about what I thought of the Rafe situation and I'll explain myself in another way re the JT hypothetical.

I've got my Sun in the 10th opp Saturn. I can not quickly get involved with someone, fast intimacy does not occur. Keeping face is very important to me and I will sacrifice in order to keep face. I see something as the JT hypothetical as losing face. I'd go with him maybe away if it could get arranged privately but I couldn't get intimately involved. A very public proposal like that would seriously embarrass me. For example, I will in reality go at all costs not to be seen in certain places in my hometown when I go back and visit, I've been asked to be photographed for the social pages at events and have been refused to do so. I keep a VERY low profile in reality, I'm very private and uninvolved with people. It seriously would upset me if this happened. If you've ever met someone who was famous and was confronted by this, it would be even more terrifying. It's confronting just meeting famous people. If I saw him, I wouldn't approach him let alone look at him.

And anyway, this is just a hypothetical, as I said, what is the chances of this happening? I don't want to consider these things, it's hard enough to have this attraction and not even the astrology truly explains it, we've really got weak synastry.