posted October 19, 2008 11:40 AM         

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"But i do agree with you on the Venus/Mars opp- strongest attraction indicator between Venus/Mars."
Thanks. It`s good to see you agree with me. Actually I alsmot counted on you to do that.

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The funny thing is, i was thinking about that right before i saw you wrote about it. Weird, huh?

I actually wouldn't WANT a harmonious Venus/Mars aspect. With the sextile or the trine there is a lack of intensity and urgency (not to down anyone who has these aspects). But with harmony, of course things are going to run softly and sweetly. With the harder aspects, it's more demanding.

But then again... i have pretty intense aspects, so maybe that's why i WANT intense aspects in synastry.

posted October 19, 2008 11:44 AM         

"But when i think or feel out Mars/Pluto, it does feel cold. It feels like there is no emotion. It's very powerful, and DAMN HARD to resist, but it's empty almost. The goal IS sex. Pure and simple"
PERFECTLY described. That is EXACTLY what I tried to say.

Now, if that Mars-Pluto comes along with a more emotional aspect, it can get pretty irresistible i think.
But without the emotional aspect, it just is too empty to give a real satisfaction, at least on an emotional level.

posted October 19, 2008 11:47 AM         

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"i read that, something happened to me physically. It was like a jerk throughout my body. A jolt. My throat feels sorta tight."
No you are not insane (or I am there with you). It is what I very strongly felt when I first came across the Draco, and what I still feel every time I look at them.
It`s like every fibre of my being senses the raw truth in the Draco-chart. Well, it is not the oldest zodiac for nothing, is it?

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F%ck, DD. I'm so relieved you know what i mean.

But i don't WANT to think about it. I don't want to KNOW that there is some deep connection between Ralph and i. It's much easier to think it's just a mundane attraction, you know? That way there are no expectations. That way he won't embed himself into my mind, my life anymore than he already has.

When faced with cold, hard evidence that you have that sort of connection with someone it changes you. It does. No matter what anyone says. People can claim that it doesn't effect them or change their feelings, but g0ddamn it, it does. And it will. For me. Horribly.

You guys have to understand what i'm talking about. DD, when we look at your aspects with Jude and we tell you there is a definite strong bond between you, doesn't that kill you? PA, when DD told you for the first time that you and RDJ were definitely soulmates, didn't it hurt you? It's wonderful news to know it, but it ruins you. It sits in your guts and soils your insides because you KNOW you're not with that person right now.

posted October 19, 2008 11:50 AM         

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Meta,

"But when i think or feel out Mars/Pluto, it does feel cold. It feels like there is no emotion. It's very powerful, and DAMN HARD to resist, but it's empty almost. The goal IS sex. Pure and simple"
PERFECTLY described. That is EXACTLY what I tried to say.

Now, if that Mars-Pluto comes along with a more emotional aspect, it can get pretty irresistible i think.
But without the emotional aspect, it just is too empty to give a real satisfaction, at least on an emotional level.

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posted October 19, 2008 11:53 AM         

yes, I think we are definitely on the same page here regarding intense aspects.

I am not sure what I would really prefer.
To be sexually attracted, irresistibly, without no choice and against all common sense, yes I DO need challenging aspects. It`s true.
Conjunction, square and opposition.

But of course those aspects can get too demanding,t oo challenging in the long run. At least it wouldn`t get boring I think.

I actually think I prefer harmonious aspects on the general Sun-Moon-ASC-level for general and emotional compatibility and harmony.
And if that is a given, then those intense aspects, involving Venus, Mars, Pluto and probably ERos are the real pepper.

I once came across a guy, whose Mars exactly conjunct my Pluto. His VEnuzs / Eros-conjunction conjuncts my Venus.
and my Pluto squares his Venus and Eros, while his Mars squares my Venus.

Did I feel that energy? You can bet I did. Very unsettling. vEry intense.
I could feel that energy even from stage (he was on it). Actually I choose to sit a bit away from stage nowadays, becasue me in front row is not a good idea in that case.
It`s not that I would jump on stage and "rape" him; but I can`t defend myself from this energy. It just sizzles and burns and makes me feel like I am shortly before an explosion; not in a sexual sense, but just that energy, it is too much, much too much.
Last time I saw him, and I was too near to stage, I seriously considered leaving the theatre, because I thought I couldn`t bear that tension.

Does he feel any of that? No. Definitely not. Poor guy is gay. Definitely.
I wonder, if he felt that energy, what would he feel. A shockwave of repulsion? Probably. PRobably would hate my guts, because I trigger his Venus, Eros and Mars. lol How dare I?

posted October 19, 2008 11:54 AM         

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" How much do you feel for him? What is the nature of your relationship (romantic, sexual, emotional, mental, etc)?
I`m not really attracted to him. At least not on a romantic or sexual way. But I am not really indifferent either.
There`s something about him, that triggers some emotional response in me, pretty deep down. It`s not sexual or romantic attraction, and I would never fall in love with him or something like that.
So I think it must be something emotional, mental or even spiritual. Maybe just plain old karma. lol
He`s got something unsettling, in a completely different way than Jude for example. The warmth is completely missing.
It`s almost like a "cold attraction" if you know what I mean.
I mean, how should you?
Not even i can explain it to myself.

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I thought so. I thought it was an emotional thing. With all of the Pluto and Moon and Venus placements it had to be. But since there is that Saturn opp your Lust/Nep the attraction has been flattened.

posted October 19, 2008 12:04 PM         

on the Draconics:

are you the same person who keeps on telling me to not suppress my feelings?

The feelings, the truth, is there, if you read it in a chart or not.
Do not kid yourself.
It may hurt as hell, but there is no way that you can deny there IS a bond between Ralph and you, or between PA and RDJ or between Jude and me.

It`s there, even if we don`t want it.
But seriously, would you rather not have experienced those feelings?

PRobably I am supposed to say yes, it would have been better to never have seen that face, heard that voice, felt what I felt, what I still feel, with all those unsettling and doubts and all.
It probably would be sane to say it doesn`t mean a thing.

But that is just not true.
I may never even meet him, but the truth is, he has already changed me, without me even having talked to him.
I don`t want to miss that. I don`t regret one single minute. I could live without those doubts though.
But even that ache I feel, it is a sign that I am alive and that I am able to FEEL.
No, I want to know the truth, and see it written in our Draco`s. No matter how much it hurts.

It doesn`T always hurt that much, you know?
I am probably the most insane person here and anywhere else, but I do not even really feel the separation.
I can`t explain it.

posted October 19, 2008 12:05 PM         

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Meta,

I wanted to give you an example on how to interprete Draconics (at least "my style").

Your DR Juno and Pluto conjuncts his tropical Sun.

1st thing to know is that usually the DRacoperson (you) feels like there is a special meaning to a connection, while the tropical person (him) feels it just in the "normal" everyday way.

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Ok, so it's like I'M feeling the unbelievable, soul-penetrating bond and he's feeling... well, he's not feeling anything THAT deep. Right?

Th Draco person is the one who feels like they've been hit in the chest with a sledgehammer, in other words.

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Maybe it`s like this; you experience something in a past life, and that somehow shapes your soul and your perception of things and therefore becomes part of your life again.

In your case with Draco Juno and Draco Pluto you might have experienced a passionate marriage or total commitment and so you are searching for it again.

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Mhmm, makes sense.

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Now Ralph is walking along and puts his tropical Sun onto that "soul-need" of yours.
It means that the way he generally is (his Sun) triggers that deep need of yours. And you react to him on the soullevel very intensely.
With your Draco Pluto conjunct his Sun there could be even a note of obsession and your deep felt wish to transform him, maybe to heal him.

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Wow... wow, DD. You took the words right out of my mouth- or should i say my SOUL?

But he's unaware of how, or what, he has triggered me? Like, he (or whoever you are in aspcet to) is totally oblivious to the affect they are having on the Draco-person?

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On the other hand, your tropical Venus conjuncts his Draco Venus.
So the way you are as a woman in this life (Cancer) triggers in him the image of a perfect woman, as it lives deep in his soul (his Draco Venus in Cancer). You may not even be his CONSCIOUS ideal woman, but you are on the soullevel.
The only question is, how much he is aware of that.

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He better be aware of it to the FULL extent!!

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Bu I think the Draco-connections to tropical planets WILL be sensed, even if it hapens in some sort of uneasiness and feeling like there is "something underneath the surface", which it actually is.

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posted October 19, 2008 12:21 PM         

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on the Draconics:

are you the same person who keeps on telling me to not suppress my feelings?

The feelings, the truth, is there, if you read it in a chart or not.
Do not kid yourself.
It may hurt as hell, but there is no way that you can deny there IS a bond between Ralph and you, or between PA and RDJ or between Jude and me.

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Yeah, yeah. But it's different when it's me! DD, you don't understand, i will bury myself in it. I will obsess over it and will probably never let it go. So MY state of denial is different than yours. Your reasoning was because you thought it was stupid, and you didn't want to let yourself invest emotion. I don't want this because i know, deeply, that this is not good for me. Not because i don't believe it or don't want to feel it. But because it will become a fixture. I'm just ridiculous like that.

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It`s there, even if we don`t want it.
But seriously, would you rather not have experienced those feelings?

PRobably I am supposed to say yes, it would have been better to never have seen that face, heard that voice, felt what I felt, what I still feel, with all those unsettling and doubts and all.
It probably would be sane to say it doesn`t mean a thing.

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Yes, you were supposed to say yes. In all honesty i would say no. Of course not. But right now, i'm going to say yes because i don't want to think about it. I don't want it. You can have it back. (You being the universe, of course).

Have you ever met a soulmate, DD? Have you ever fallen in love with one? I have. Not to get dramatic here, but i wish, everyday, that i could be with him. And at the same time i wish, everyday, that i had never met him. I don't want to know i have another one out there. Not saying Ralph and i ARE soulmates, or whatever, but i don't want to have the knowledge that my emotions towards him are valid.

posted October 19, 2008 12:23 PM         

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But of course those aspects can get too demanding,t oo challenging in the long run. At least it wouldn`t get boring I think.

I actually think I prefer harmonious aspects on the general Sun-Moon-ASC-level for general and emotional compatibility and harmony.
And if that is a given, then those intense aspects, involving Venus, Mars, Pluto and probably ERos are the real pepper.

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WHAAAAAAT????? YOU prefer harmonious???!! What has happened to the world?? Am i the only one left in the Lake of Intensity? I'm out here in my boat all alone!! B1tches...

posted October 19, 2008 12:30 PM         

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I like someone who would wear Converse shoes with a suit and take me somewhere unusual for a first date.

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Oh my God. You just made me think of Tim, my professor. HE wears Converse with his Khaki Docker pants and longsleeve oxford shirt!! But he's more feminine in appearance. HOld on, i'm gonna do your syn with him..

posted October 19, 2008 12:32 PM         

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meta

quote:Can you go away... PLEASE?!??????

Oh, you'll miss me when I'm gone.

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*Kicks rocks around*

... not uh...

posted October 19, 2008 12:32 PM         

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quote:*ASTONISHMENT GALORE******

*THE HEAVENS PART AND ANGELS SING "Oh Happy Day..."****

*Meta falls off computer chair and goes into hypovolemic shock****

I read this this morning and was p1ssing myself laughing.

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posted October 19, 2008 12:36 PM         

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Yeah, AC360 (as I affectionately call him) is really cute-good looking. But it's actually personality wise that I find him attractive. I saw him on Oprah a couple of years ago and went "WHO is this person?" because he's not well known here. And was just besotted with everything about him. Not in a crazy sexual way - but i a "oh, I can so relate to you" kinda way. There's some common ground between us. Even some odd quirks we share. Very funny. I kind of see myself in him and see him in me. Think there would be good mental rapport. He's got a bit of a goofy laugh - not as bad as Rafey though. He's just lovely.

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You're a b@stard, do you know that?! There is nothing wrong with Rafey's laugh!! In fact, i'm sure you think it's quite "handsome" *BIGGG SMILE!!***

I think with Anderson there is a lack of emotional vulnerability. He's too airy. He'd talk about his feelings in a detached way. Plus, he's very analytical, so he'd rationalize. I'm not familiar with his sense of humor, though, so maybe that would change my mind. Doubtful though.

posted October 19, 2008 12:40 PM         

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Or, as I like to call it, the Rafe Powers pic - "Do I make you horny, baby?".

meta - where's his mojo?

Hey, you konw the skits in the Austin Powers movies where they use different names for penises as they change scenes - well, they could use "Rafe' as another alternative.

ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL.

Oh, sorry - maybe not - is that a circumision mark on his head. Ouch, I guess that makes him a ........... oh, think about it.

YEAH BABY!

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You think you're SOOOOO funny. SOOOO freakin' hilarious. You won't be laughing when you wake up one morning and read in the papers that Ralph has eloped with a possessive Leo with Scorpio Rising! Who's gonna be laughin' then????

MMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted October 19, 2008 12:43 PM         

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I think Sean sexually would be aggressive. Maybe that's what you're reading. Like, he'd be the type to grab you hard, put your hands over your head, hold them down, etc.

God, I need a cold shower. Hang on!

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posted October 19, 2008 12:44 PM         

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If you lexi and translate into English - it makes a bumper sticker: "I ****** Sean Bean and lived to tell".

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ROFL!!!!

posted October 19, 2008 12:46 PM         

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Russ eh?

You like the phone throwing guys. DD likes the nanny ******* . I like, well, anyone with a prison record, apparently.

It's all good - no judgement here.

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LOL! You're killing me PA! DD likes the nanny f%cker!!! HA HA HAHA HAAAA!!!

posted October 19, 2008 12:50 PM         

"Ok, so it's like I'M feeling the unbelievable, soul-penetrating bond and he's feeling... well, he's not feeling anything THAT deep. Right?"
Right.

"But he's unaware of how, or what, he has triggered me? Like, he (or whoever you are in aspcet to) is totally oblivious to the affect they are having on the Draco-person?"
No, I think he might notice the effect he has on you (if you let it show, that is), but he maybe doesn`T understand why you react on such a profound spiritual level to him.
Luckily usually both person`s draco planets are being triggered, so both react on a profound level.
Of course it is itneresting, what draco planets are being triggered.

"o MY state of denial is different than yours."
Is it?

" Your reasoning was because you thought it was stupid, and you didn't want to let yourself invest emotion."
No, that is not the reason. Not really. No emotion is ever stupid. Every emotion is real, no matter who or what triggers them.

BUT you tell me anything about obsessing?
I have been obsessing about that musical singer for 18 years! Now tell me again who is the obsessive one here?

And I KNOW that obsessing is not good, never has been good. It made me completely unable to form a normal relationship.

And I am just terribly afraid that it could happen to me again.
You know I can allow my feelings for Sean to come to the surface, because they will fade away again, after a certain time.
Jude doesn`T fade away. He hasn`t done for the last 3 years, and he won`t I think.
But I really do not have another 18 years to live in my dreams and things that only exist in my soul or on a spiritual level. They are real, those emotions, definitely, but they are not existent on the physical, the material plane. Because I am no part of his every day life, and probably never will be. I mean definitely never will be.
That doesn`t mean my feelings aren`t real though.

But you know what? When I was obsessing over Paul, I wasted a lot of time trying to deny what I feel, and yet it didn`t go away.
It never did.
And now I just have accepted that it never will. But that this is not the time. We`re not meant to be.
It`s hard to accept this.
As you now know it took me many many years. But a huge part of these years were wasted trying to run away from my feelings, denying their existence, raping my own soul so to speak.
It doesn`t work that way though.
It is better now, because I have accepted it as it is.
In a way I finally have found "my peace of mind", but it took me damned long.

"Have you ever met a soulmate, DD? Have you ever fallen in love with one? I have."
Is Paul a soulmate?
Am I in a position to judge here?
I don`t know; all I know is, the moment I realized I would never be with him, was the moment I stopped living, for a long long time.
I just stopped living, despite continuing to exist.
It`s just since a short time, that I slowly started to work my way out of my "grave" again. (Who is dramatic now?).
But being born again, it hurts, you know? And you have to learn everything from the start again.

posted October 19, 2008 12:56 PM         

I like conjunctions, trines, sextiles to Sun, Moon and ASC.

But for Venus and Mars and Eros I`d actually prefer the challenging ones.

posted October 19, 2008 01:08 PM         

did my last posts shock you so much, that you fell from your chair?

posted October 19, 2008 01:17 PM         

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"o MY state of denial is different than yours."
Is it?

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That's what i am going to tell myself. I am not going to sit here and think that i'm not taking my own medicine, so i have decided to rationalize and believe that MY situation is different. MMK???

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BUT you tell me anything about obsessing?
I have been obsessing about that musical singer for 18 years! Now tell me again who is the obsessive one here?

And I KNOW that obsessing is not good, never has been good. It made me completely unable to form a normal relationship.

And I am just terribly afraid that it could happen to me again.

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Exactly. Ex. Act. Ly.

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But you know what? When I was obsessing over Paul, I wasted a lot of time trying to deny what I feel, and yet it didn`t go away.
It never did.
And now I just have accepted that it never will. But that this is not the time. We`re not meant to be.
It`s hard to accept this.
As you now know it took me many many years. But a huge part of these years were wasted trying to run away from my feelings, denying their existence, raping my own soul so to speak.
It doesn`t work that way though.
It is better now, because I have accepted it as it is.
In a way I finally have found "my peace of mind", but it took me damned long.

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Well, i haven't found my peace of mind yet. So to think that i haven't recovered from one incident and now i'm being presented with another, it's just... f%ck man! I'm not ready. I don't want to deal with it.

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"Have you ever met a soulmate, DD? Have you ever fallen in love with one? I have."
Is Paul a soulmate?
Am I in a position to judge here?
I don`t know; all I know is, the moment I realized I would never be with him, was the moment I stopped living, for a long long time.
I just stopped living, despite continuing to exist.
It`s just since a short time, that I slowly started to work my way out of my "grave" again. (Who is dramatic now?).
But being born again, it hurts, you know? And you have to learn everything from the start again.

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G0ddamnit it, DD, you're taking the words right out of me. You understand EXACTLY what it's like right now. So i'm trying to deal with this, and here i have all of this emotion dumped onto me from someone I DON'T EVEN KNOW and i have come to find that there's reasoning behind it. How am i supposed to accept that?

posted October 19, 2008 01:21 PM         

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Oh you didn`t hear me right, I think.

I like conjunctions, trines, sextiles to Sun, Moon and ASC.

But for Venus and Mars and Eros I`d actually prefer the challenging ones.

But if you have ONLY challenging aspects, there will be too little common ground to meet.

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PHEW!!! I thought i was going crazy. Remember how we both got Heathcliffe for our Literary Lover? I thought you had just told me that you were switching sides!

posted October 19, 2008 02:39 PM         

you asked about the Sabian symbols.

So I looked at the planets on same degree in various synastries.
I used the synastries with Sean, Paul, Jude and Stuart.
And I am not telling you which one is which.

A:

my Saturn, his SN on 17° Cancer
THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM.

my Neptune, his ASC on 10° Sagittarius
A THEATRICAL REPRESENTATION OF A GOLDEN-HAIRED GODDESS OF OPPORTUNITY.

my Amor, his Juno on 03° Sagittarius
TWO MEN PLAYING CHESS.

my dr Neptune, his dr Destinn on 30° Pisces
A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.

my dr Union, his dr NEptune on 20° Aquarius
A LARGE WHITE DOVE BEARING A MESSAGE.

my dr Eros, his Psyche on 11° Scorpio
A DROWNING MAN IS BEING RESCUED.

my dr IC, his Vertex on 25° Cancer
A WILL-FULL MAN IS OVERSHADOWED BY A DESCENT OF SUPERIOR POWER.

my dr MC, his Antivertex and dr Psyche on 25° Capricorn
A STORE FILLED WITH PRECIOUS ORIENTAL RUGS.

my Point of Reincarnation, his Chiron on 13° Aries
AN UNEXPLODED BOMB REVEALS AN UNSUCCESSFUL SOCIAL PROTEST#

my MC and his Pluto on 05° Libra
A MAN REVEALING TO HIS STUDENTS THE FOUNDATION OF AN INNER KNOWLEDGE UPON WHICH A "NEW WORLD" COULD BE BUILT.