posted October 21, 2008 05:02 AM         

LOL - do you tell him he's right?

posted October 21, 2008 05:07 AM         

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Not sure about Scorpio Rising for Sean. So that means I am going to have to stare at that picture for a long time. Oh no!

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Well, someone's gotta do it. I appreciate your sacrificial nature. Thanks bm for your service to all women and some men, alike. Highly honourable.

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Creepily, I flicked back and it looks like there is a woman's face in his shirt. It's like the Turin Shroud!

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That does it! The confirmation that we have needed that he is indeed the Sex God. Oh, all fall to your umm, knees, and worship the great one.

posted October 21, 2008 05:08 AM         

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LOL - do you tell him he's right?

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It's been know.

Mainly I give practical answers, i.e, sore stomach/problems with bowels ~> you don't eat enough fibre. Sore throat, problems breathing ~> you smoke 20 fags a day. Headache ~> you spend all day on the computer, go outside and say hello to the Sun.

He's got a great answer for not enough sun ~ "but I'm naturally the colour English people are trying to get by sitting in their garden all day."

I'm sympathetic if it's a real ailment. But men do that 'man 'flu' thing, they can't help themselves.

posted October 21, 2008 05:11 AM         

Let me have a feel, Sean.

posted October 21, 2008 05:15 AM         

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Let me have a feel, Sean.

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***clears throat***
Would you like to be left alone?

I don't get Capi either. I can see Virgo because they've got that great clear skin and in pics you see him he's either unkept or totally neat and shaven. And, when he's shaven it's very neat for such a masculine and hairy man. Ewan McGregor has that too. When he's hairy - he's like a gorilla, but clean shaven - completely neat with no hint of manly hair and also clear skin - almost boyish.

posted October 21, 2008 05:40 AM         

That's an interesting take on the asteroid name and your perception of the person. Food for thought.

posted October 21, 2008 05:50 AM         

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But if he is THAT self asorbed then this is a real turn off.
I do not really like goofy men, but I love humour and self-irony in people.

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It's very hard to tell. I mean, at the end of the day, we're talking about actors. And it's the nature of their business to pretend and yet convince you it's genuine. How do you know what's real and what's image? At some stage, does their perception of it blur as well?

I love people who can laugh at themselves. I'm sure Jude is one of those. But also there's pride. Don't think he'd ever look back on the whole nanny thing and have a giggle. Not ever.

posted October 21, 2008 05:57 AM         

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I think it's definitely that Mars in Cancer that causes him problems with women. He seems to choose the wrong sort for him

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There's evidence to support that argument.

Taurus ~ I have a Taurus stellium, I could go for Taurus here. More than Virgo.

p.s

posted October 21, 2008 06:08 AM         

***sounding like Mr Burns*** "Excellent".

This divorce has enormous entertainment value. Definitely the most entertaining thing Madonna has ever provided. I should say that in the other thread. I couldn't stand the certain and ensuing endless and needless rant.

Yes, Taurus fits with Sean. So, you're our confirmation! However, should you need to do more research - looking, feeling, etc, it could only support the theory.

posted October 21, 2008 06:42 AM         

I agree about the Taurus. I get really annoyed when people go on about certain qualities that their sign is purported to possess. Eg, this great myth that many Pisceans that I've met seem to want to believe that they are all these enormously compassionate and highly evolved beings. The Pisceans that I've known in my time have been the biggest @rseholes. And they possessed more "me, myself, I" than any Arien I've ever known. So, when people talk about Scorpio as highly sexual, they dismiss the other signs. And that's not right. Taurus is enormously sexual. I find Taurus more sexual than Scorpio because it has that earthiness, that bodiliness to it, that Scorpio lacks. Scorpio lacks the physicality. Whereas with Taurus - it's right there. Highly evident and I find that more sexual than the intensity and moodiness and possessivenes. The generalisations of the signs really irk me. I tend to stay away from those threads. And the big drama queen ones. Can't stand those either. The best way to deal with someone who is trying to get attention is to ignore them - just like any other child.

posted October 21, 2008 06:53 AM         

On LL I do sometimes get exasperated with the need to show how 'empathetic' someone is, all this 'soaking in' other people's feelings. Surely most people do this to some degree or another? And there are those things in life that you have to suffer to really know, someone stood in front of you saying they can feel what you feel, they know how you feel, etc, is exactly what you don't need at the time. It makes it all about them, and how sensitive they are, there's nothing truly compassionate in it at all.

There is a bias towards Pisces/Scorpio/Pluto/Neptune on here but that doesn't bear out to real life, or the art of astrology. All signs can have their unevolved examples, yes, even Pisces. Just like there is the opposite.

At it's worst Aries may be selfish, narcissitic, but at it's best it is a straight arrow. Getting things done, not messing people about, giving it straight. It's action, no dithering, no bullsh!tting.

posted October 21, 2008 07:14 AM         

I'm glad that you can see that. I totally understand and agree in relation to the emphatic gestures. I mean, I think truly emphatic and evolved ones - don't need to point it out. And everyone wants to think that they are evolved and an old soul, lets face it. I think the quiet ones that don't brandish their own worth and let the ego fly too hard - they're the truly emphatic ones.

There is an over-emphasis on Scorpy. I have noticed that. It's like this great myth that no-one can possibly attain or live up to. Like Scorpios are superhuman. When I start placing someone on a pedesal, I remind myself that they sit on the crapper once a day and pass **** just like the rest of us. That brings them down quickly. And that perspective is important - that we are all equal.

Yes, the sensitivity threads and posts are hilarious. They are the ones that expect you to walk on egg shells for them but they can be as carefree and rude as they choose, because apparently, they are the only ones who are sensitive and the rest of us are crap. They're the worst. The reason that touches a place with me is because I've known people in day-to-day life like that. They want to be treated with a sensitivity that they are not prepared to offer others. It doesn't work like that. And being a hypersensitive person doesn't excuse you treating other like sh1t. If anything it should teach you to be emphatic towards them. They're the genuinely sensitive beings.

posted October 21, 2008 07:37 AM         

I definitely agree on Taurus being VERY sexual. Actually I`d probably describe it as "SENSUAL", but I guess my personal understanding of sensual and yours of sexual may be pretty similiar.
Taurus falls into my 5th house, so I am simply fascinated and love that quality. Maybe also, because I sometimes seem to lack it myself. Or rather it is there, but it has to be triggered, and Taurus-men seem to be good in triggering it.
Paul has his Moon and Venus in Taurus in my 5th house, and I definitely got that vibe.
I may not be suited well for Mercury in Taurus, but Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC is a different matter.

You know what I just tried out a time of 5:35 a.m. for SEan,w hich would give him a 10° Taurus-ASC.

It would give him a 1st house Venus, a 3rd house Mars (I can DEFINITELY see that), MOon, Uranus and Pluto in 5th house, Neptune pretty near to the DSC, Jupiter in 7th house (Jupiter and Neptune in 7th house often appears in people who marry more than once, because they are just so highly idealistic about their mates).

Okay, Sun and Mercury is in 12th house, but interestingly that appears quite often in actors in the film business. The 12th house also signifies that you can hide in public.
You know, everyone sees you, and yet they don`t know who you really are.
Madonna has a lot of action going on in her 12th house.

Johnny Cash had Sun, Mercury and Mars in his 12th house; Keanu REeves has Sun, Mercury, Uranus and Pluto in 12th house; Jude has Mars and Neptune in his 12th house.

Interestingly if he indeed has Taurus - ASC my Sun and Mercury fall into his 8th house and my Mars, Neptune, NN and ASC fall either in his 7th or his 8th house.
His Sun falls into my 4th house, his Moon falls into my 8th house.
His Venus conjuncts my DSC and his Mars falls into my 7th house.

Interesting, there seems to be an emphasis on water houses and 7th houses. Even if you only look at my chart alone.

Regarding Jude:

well, he has a very complex personality I guess. You can see it well in his horoscope.

On the one hand:
Sun in Capricorn square Pluto
Mars in Scorpio

On the other hand:
Moon in Airsign conjunct Uranus
Mercury, Venus and ASC in Sagittarius (Mercury also sextiles Uranus)

Well, when I said I didn`t like "goofy" I meant "stupid goofy"; But I really really appreciate humour, not too vulgar though, but I like blunt and honest remarks that catch you offguard. Some dry humour.

posted October 21, 2008 07:43 AM         

He has Sun and ASC in Pisces.
Moon, Jupiter and Uranus-conjunction in Sagittarius
Mercury in Aquarius
and Venus-Mars-conjunction in Aries

and he is my little brother.

posted October 21, 2008 07:56 AM         

Dogma is such a smart movie. I love it. Brilliant and hilarious. And so on the mark.

Agreed that our defnitions of sexual and sensual are the same thing. I have Saturn and Mars in Taurus in 2nd. So I've got Taurus well and truly covered.

posted October 21, 2008 08:00 AM         

Awww - sweet about your brother. Nice placements there - in the chart - reasonably balanced and harmonious. Well, I say that because I like those placements.

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I know a Pisces who is very compassionate and supportive, and then on the other hand can be pretty self-centred, but is completely honest about it.

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posted October 21, 2008 08:15 AM         

LOL: RDJ's Jupiter Trine my Pluto:

"Your psychic energies and universal insights combine to help mankind."

posted October 21, 2008 08:17 AM         

And the scenes in the Disney-studios, okay, it is not really called Disney, but everyone knows that is what they mean, no?
Actually that was the film I absolutely loved Matt Damon in. I never really liked him before, but from this film on I knew the guy must have some brain. At least he chose that role!

" I have Saturn and Mars in Taurus in 2nd. So I've got Taurus well and truly covered."
Yes, you have.
I have only my nameasteroid in Taurus, but my Moon is in 2n dhouse, so maybe that counts a little bit.

"Venus in 1st explains why women find him attractive."
Jude has also Venus in 1st house, but in Sagittarius.
Yes, I think Venus might give some sort of appeal. Even though I also have Venus in 1st house and don`t feel very attractive.
On the other hand maybe it is more a thing of appearance as a whole and not just the looks.

" LOL - I have Venus in 1st - do women find me attractive?"
Of course we do. You are a Goddess and we are your devoted slaves, didn`t you notice?

"o you see 3rd house Mars? That he communicates sexuality?"
Yes, maybe. 3rd house is also a house of actors, because that is what they do, they communicate with the screen, verbally but also nonverbally with body language.
And if Mars is there, he might appear very masculine in that regard, which he does, I think we agree on that. He also has Eros conjunct that Mars, so more erotic, more masculinity.
Phew, it`s getting pretty hot in here.

But probably he is also someone who gets involved in arguments very easily, and it could be that those arguments get out of control under certain circumstances. Mars is also in Cancer, very passionate placement, but also moody. He might have a very flaring temper and even do things he regrets the moment he does them.
But Mars is opposes by Saturn in 9th house, which would rule his MC, so usually he tries to control this temper and anger. But if ther eis an outburst, you wouldn`t want to be anywhere near to him, I guess.
Also Mars rules his 12th hosue, so if someone were to press some subconscious red button, then there definitely would be an o-o-moment, but not for long, because the other person maybe would be advised well to run and hide.
I guess, that Mars in Cancer in 3rd house along with his Pluto in 5th house is also reflected in the darker roles he played, where he played someone very passionate, yet uncontrolled and potentially abusive, verbally and physically.

Or on the good side he could be a real fighter who would be able to protect you from any harm, if he found you worth his protection.

"Being in the house of siblings - couldn't that make him be seen as a brother as well?"
Hmm, I don`t know. But maybe he has a Martian brother?

BTW his "wrong" choice of women, could also be explained with the Taurus ASC.
Venus would rule his 1st house and fall into his 1st,w hile Pluto would rule his DSC and fall into his 5th house squaring his Venus.
So whom he is attracted to on a relationship and sexual level (ruler of 7th house in 5th house) clashes with his own personality (Venus as ruler of 1st house in 1st house). Indicates also great passion.

"Do you think these qualities are placed differently according to sex? Because, say a women relate more to their Venus and men to their Mars, can the difference in aspects bring out different qualities in them even if the chart is completely identical?"
yes, maybe. But it depends on the chart. NOt every woman projects her Mars on a man completely. Some of us actually express it actively. and some men also express their Venus actively.

Let me take Jude and myself as an example.

I have Mars conjunct my ASC, connected to a vital part of my personality, so I DO express my Martian nature (event hough Neptune on it, makes things a bit blurred).

In his case he has Venus conjunct his ASC, so he expresses his Venus very actively (also conjuncted by Neptune), and that is what we see about him, isn`t it?
That "beautiful" yet "effeminate" quality?