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PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 08:58 PM
 
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He will lose and be left with deep, infected wounds
I see Rafe as the inflictor of wounds. I really do. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 08:59 PM
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I think acting is where Rafe goes to feel his feelings. He doesn't have a channel for them in real life. He wants to feel a certain way but is confused so he learns about himself and life through his characters.
You're right. I don't think he knows how. I think he more or less dips his toe into the water through acting in roles like these, but he, himself, never jumps in the pool- let alone the deep end. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:00 PM
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Damn egoes... why can't they just get over it??
Inside every man is a little boy who wants you to put a bandaid on his cut and kiss him on the forehead.
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Azalaksh
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posted October 22, 2008 09:00 PM
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You have to trust that you have the ability to deal with anything that comes before you and that you will survive it - regardless of the immensity of pain. There is pain where you feel you want to die - but you can survive even the depth of that pain. Mostly because you have to. But you can. You do. When something happens you see everyone going about their business and it hurts, seeing them happy and functioning but one day you see that you can involve yourself in that too. There's no time frame - but you do - because you're here and at some time you just get tired of being in pain. The sensation of pain on any level can be highly addictive. It's a safe place - ironically. It gives you permission not to function - not to live. It's an excuse to bury yourself in fear rather than trust life and yourself and live.
You're such a wise soul, luv  That "humility is what you learn from making far too many unwise choices" reminds me of a quote I have, posted on my monitor:
Good judgment comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad judgment. 
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meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:00 PM
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I wasn't joking.
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. I thought it was a joke because i don't see you as an unwise person.. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:03 PM
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I see Rafe as the inflictor of wounds. I really do.
How is it that i see him as a victim and you see him as a criminal? I'm not being mean here, i'm asking a serious question. I really want to know why that is. Surely it can't all be that i am romantically inclined to him and you are not. That cannot acount for all of it. I'm not attracted to many people and still i feel for them. I just don't get it. We are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:03 PM
ZalaHey there beautiful lady. How was your birthday? quote:
Good judgment comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad judgment.
Perfect! I love that. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:06 PM
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I thought it was a joke because i don't see you as an unwise person..
You didn't hurt me. It's just truth. That's really how you learn - about yourself, about people, accepting yourself and others as they are - compassion. It's how you learn love. And we're all here to learn love. Best to make mistakes and have tried and learnt from them or even failed than to not try at all and live a lifeless life. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:07 PM
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Rafe doesn't embody his characters. He's an actor playing a role. Daniel Day-Lewis, even RDJ - they bring life to the character, essence so you're drawn into it and feel it - not just sitting in a seat watching it from an external perspective. When he's making love onscreen it's not enough to make you place yourself underneath him - there are other actors who do that far better - where you just put yourself in that place. He doesn't do that for me.
I think the emotions that Ralph portrays are considerably different then what DDL or RDJ does. Ralph's characters are undoubtedly cold and restricted. DDL and RDJ always bring warmth. Even through the flaws, they still have this light inside. Ralph's is there, but it's not white, it's blue and small. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:09 PM
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You didn't hurt me. It's just truth. That's really how you learn - about yourself, about people, accepting yourself and others as they are - compassion. It's how you learn love. And we're all here to learn love. Best to make mistakes and have tried and learnt from them or even failed than to not try at all and live a lifeless life.
I love your certainty. You're no bullsh1t, but you're no bullsh1t in a soothing way. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:09 PM
metaOkay, okay, I got something - light bulb. With Rafe, I see the desire in his eyes - he acts that well - but it's not burning from inside his soul. There's a movie with Al Pacino called Carlito's Way. I don't know if you know it. But there is this one scene where she's teasing him, taunting him - by undressing and he can see her reflection in the mirror - but he's outside the apartment and the door is slightly ajar. The way he looks at her - the way he wants her - oh man! You've got to see it. The pain he's feeling to get to her. That one moment speaks more yearning and pain than all Rafe's movies put together, and then some. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:12 PM
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I think the emotions that Ralph portrays are considerably different then what DDL or RDJ does. Ralph's characters are undoubtedly cold and restricted. DDL and RDJ always bring warmth. Even through the flaws, they still have this light inside. Ralph's is there, but it's not white, it's blue and small.
I think that's where the essence of the actor comes in. That's why Paul Newman could play the rogue, but he was endearing. Liam Neeson has this beautiful warmth he brings to all his characters. When I see Brad Pitt in any role - there's no depth there. DDL has a beautiful presence - what a beautiful man - a beautiful being. I don't want to **** him - he doesn't get me that way. But I can see he's beautiful. RDJ has RDJ energy - he's entirely unique. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:16 PM
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You're no bullsh1t, but you're no bullsh1t in a soothing way.
That's actually an enormous compliment. As was the one you gave before. I'm not good at responding to those - I'm still learning that one. So, just, thank you. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:22 PM
No one does the internal pain thing/look better than Christian Bale. It's in his eyes.IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:25 PM
I think that Ralph justs fails to touch you the way that he has touched me. There must be something he's hitting, some nerve that he is touching to make me feel this way. I think that i see him in myself. I feel like he wants exactly what i want - this immaculate emancipation of emotion; body, mind and spirit- which is why i am so completely moved and you are not. So really, in the end, it comes down to you and i as individuals. Ralph doesn't touch you because you cannot relate. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:25 PM
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That's actually an enormous compliment. As was the one you gave before. I'm not good at responding to those - I'm still learning that one. So, just, thank you.
You are very welcome. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:27 PM
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No one does the internal pain thing/look better than Christian Bale. It's in his eyes.
Christian Bale has the ability to manipulate his emotions quickly. He can bring so many things to the surface instantly. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:32 PM
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I think that Ralph justs fails to touch you the way that he has touched me.
I definitely can't relate to him. Spot on. There's no common ground - internally - for us to meet. I don't see him in myself at all. Whereas RDJ - I see me in him and him in me. Very very much. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:35 PM
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Christian Bale has the ability to manipulate his emotions quickly. He can bring so many things to the surface instantly.
I think he has a lot of depth to draw upon. He's probably very self-indulgently sulky in real life - he withdraws into himself - and explores in there - so he's able to pull that out from there when needed. He gives the impression of tremendous inner pain. You know, all the things you say about Rafe - that's how I see Christian. But I don't feel the need to heal him. But I think that's more about me than him or our combined energies. I think he'd be enormously intense. All those things you say about Rafe. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:36 PM
So, as an actor, how useful is that to you?IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:38 PM
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I definitely can't relate to him. Spot on. There's no common ground - internally - for us to meet. I don't see him in myself at all. Whereas RDJ - I see me in him and him in me. Very very much.
I didn't think so. So that truly must explain why we feel so differently. You feel nothing for him. He doesn't evoke anything deep, or meaningful in you. At least nothing positive. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:38 PM
I always get the sense that you really enjoy analysing these people like this - breaking them down.IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 22, 2008 09:40 PM
Rafe just doesn't evoke anything. It's an empty vessel. I'd like to say that I like him or even hate him. But there's nothing. Same with Jude. I find Jude weak. I just really do. He's a fine looking human man - but there's no connection or any feeling for him.IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:42 PM
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I think he has a lot of depth to draw upon. He's probably very self-indulgently sulky in real life - he withdraws into himself - and explores in there - so he's able to pull that out from there when needed. He gives the impression of tremendous inner pain.
Agreed. Definitely. Actually, what you just said there reminds me of myself. How vain! I very much so withdraw into myself. I think he is highly emotional, and so am i, so to become emotionally invested in a moment or in a character is almost like second nature. He has Scorpio Rising, i think we agreed. How watery is he, do you know? quote:
You know, all the things you say about Rafe - that's how I see Christian. But I don't feel the need to heal him. But I think that's more about me than him or our combined energies. I think he'd be enormously intense. All those things you say about Rafe.
All those things i say about Rafe... what? I feel like that sentence isn't complete... So wait, you see Christian the way i see Ralph? Wow, i didn't know that. I didn't know you felt very emotionally connected. How is it more about you than him? And yes, i do feel the need to heal him. I feel like in healing him i could heal myself. Sounds quite selfish when you think about it.
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meta_4
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posted October 22, 2008 09:43 PM
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So, as an actor, how useful is that to you?
Is what to me?... IP: Logged |
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