posted October 27, 2008 09:59 AM         

He seems to have a good rapport with Russell, funny now I think on it, Aqua Sun with Aries Moon and Aries Moon with Aqua Moon.

posted October 27, 2008 10:05 AM         

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That's what I said on Saturday night.

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posted October 27, 2008 10:08 AM         

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There's something dangerous going on there, just a smidgeon.

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Yeah, you alway get that impression with Chritian. There's something brewing inside. It's in the eye.

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He seems to have a good rapport with Russell, funny now I think on it, Aqua Sun with Aries Moon and Aries Moon with Aqua Moon.

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Throw me into the mix. Aries Sun, Aqua Moon.

Actually - Russell and I are both Aries Sun and Aqua Moons. He has Aqua Ascendant where I have Aries Ascendant.

Christian has Aqua Sun and Aries Moon to my Aries Sun and Aqua Moon.

Christian's Sun is conjunct my Moon. We also have Psyche and Eros conjunct as well as Osiris and Isis conjunct. Sorry!

posted October 27, 2008 10:12 AM         

meta wants to know who's invited to this dinner date? Care to elaborate?

posted October 27, 2008 10:17 AM         

meta - Rafe & DDL - though, I'd prefer she brought along a Rafe blow-up doll instead, because we'd get more interesting conversation and even more personality out of it. Oh, well, why not just bring David Beckham instead.

posted October 27, 2008 10:19 AM         

So two-fingered salute to you!

posted October 27, 2008 10:28 AM         

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So two-fingered salute to you!

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ROFL!

posted October 27, 2008 10:31 AM         

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DDL ~ is who?

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Oh God! Do you HAVE to ask? Daniel Day-Lewis. Only the really serious thespians for meta. Oh, and Rafe too.

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There is going to be a fight for the seat the furthest away from Rafe.

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LOL! May I suggest another restaurant. Another city, even. An entire continent. Just don't book a flight to India. We all know what happens there.

posted October 27, 2008 10:32 AM         

btw, Christian and I have Mars conjunct Mars.

I prefer the one finger salute.

posted October 27, 2008 10:40 AM         

"I don't know if i cn be objective."
I don`t think any of us could be objective, when it comes to ourselves or the ones we love.

"I don't feel that our relationship was father/daughter or relative-like."
I donīt feel so either. At least not in the life we may have shared. BUT soulmates aren`t only passionate lovers, they can be relatives, brother and sister, uncle and cousin, they can even be enemies, and they are not always "good guys", they can do us a lot of injustice, and we to them. STephen Forrest once said that "soulmates often kill each other". I don`t know about "often", but it is not all peachy between soulmates all the time.

" I think that my romantic attraction is too evident to think it could have been.
DD, you did say Venus/Karma indicates past romance, right?"
Yes, I am VERY sure that you have been lovers in one or more life, but maybe not in every single one of them (yes, I think that there is not just ONE life).

"ill take it if he took advantage of the two of you. Any action physically, or sexually towards someone else would ruin me."
Why?
Well, yes, I can understand that it would be hard to stand, the thought.

But I think that a past life really should be past, and that we cannot judge someone by such a past life. I know it is difficult, and somehow we DO judge, but for me it is important to let go of that judgement.
I have a memory of another past life (with Jude) and it was HORRIBLE. I didn`t ask for that memory, but after having written the dream down here, FAyte said that it had all elements of a past life memory (and I so didnīt want to accept that).
But it showed that it is not all bliss and love and harmony.
I also think it is important to remembert that NOW is the life that counts and that has to be lived. A past life ususally serves as a help of understanding certain patterns and feelings. But it shouldn`t block the present life.

posted October 27, 2008 10:44 AM         

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Umm - no! That would be me! What are you thinking? Something to jolt you from your delusions.

posted October 27, 2008 10:44 AM         

You never know, it could be love at first sight for me and Rafe.

I don't think this would happen, but that's the thing. Get everyone in a room and synastry will be turned upside down.

Aside from me and Ash, true love that.

I'll be there in the circle stands watching your West End debut.

posted October 27, 2008 10:46 AM         

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Maybe we should all just get in the bar and see who clicks with who... there could be some surprises.
You never know, it could be love at first sight for me and Rafe.

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Okay I like the odds here. I mean, we can invite more than we're willing to take with us and just dump them at the bar.

posted October 27, 2008 10:50 AM         

As you put air in it it's arms and body parts start to unfold.

It speaks like Rafe in real life. Lets try it out.

Code: PA = me. RFBUD = Rafe Fiennes Blow-Up Doll

PA: Hi there Rafe, how's things?
RFBUD: ***complete silence***

posted October 27, 2008 10:52 AM         

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posted October 27, 2008 10:53 AM         

Men in suits. Zegna? Or Armani?

posted October 27, 2008 10:55 AM         

Pa wrote:

"It wasn't consensual by any means - it was very forceful"

I have to say, yes and no. I guess I am stuck somewhere in the middle between the two of you, seeing both points of view when it comes to him.
Maybe I just arranged myself with the way it had been, or there was something else. But Yes, he was willful and forceful, but I am not so sure about the "non consensual"-part. I don`t feel like that.

But actually I had a closer look at the Draco-comparision between him and me.
I was specifically looking for aspects of Saturn, Pluto and Nessus (representing some kind of control and power, even though of course Pluto is also linked to intensity) to the emotional points (Moon, Venus, Psyche, Amor and IC) or the sexual points (Sun, Mars, Eros, Aphrodite and ASC - Sun is not really sexual, but important as it represents the person).

My "power-planets" to his:

my dr Saturn conjuncts his dr Chiron
my dr SAturn conjunct his Moon
my dr Saturn conjunct his Psyche
my Staurn conjunct his dr Venus
my Saturn conjunct his dr Neptune
my Saturn conjunct his dr Eros
- it actually seems like I`ve had a LOT of control over his emotional life; maybe also rejected him on that level

my dr Pluto conjunct his dr Nessus
- I have no idea who would be stronger, but there seems to be a strong powerplay here

my dr Pluto and my dr Aphrodite conjunct his SN
- I think this might be the key; I have a Pluto-Aphrodite-conjunction, which could be translated as "the power of attraction or seduction" (I just never know if it means I actively excerted it, or if it is something passive about me, that kinda triggers some responses in others). This Dr-Pluto / Aphrodite conjunctions falls onto hsi SN (his SN is on the EXACT midpoint), so it is definitely part of his past life.

But unlike with PA, this time *I* am the Pluto-person!
Of course his tropical Pluto also squares my nodal axis. *deep sigh* I guess a mutual power-dynamics takes place or took place

His Power-planets to mine:
his dr SAturn oppoiste my dr Karma
his Saturn opposite my dr Chiron
his dr Saturn conjunct my Pluto
- so he had some control over me, too,a nd probably the capicity to hurt me (Saturn-Chiron), but I was not a defenceless victim, if you look at the above connections

his dr Pluto opposite my dr Vertex
his dr Pluto opposite my dr Eros
his dr Pluto opposite my dr destinn
- this one looks very powerful and intense. There is a posessive, obsessive streak here. His power would change my life; if positive or negative I do not know. But the participation of my Eros here, makes me pretty uncomfortable, I must admit.

But to me this looks like a struggle for power, for supremacy, which I probably had to lose in terms of my life or how my life was being led (his power planets aspect my Karma, Vertex and DEstinn - he definitely had much influence over my fate).

On the other hand it seems that I had some control, or at least some influence over his emotions, too (my power planets aspect his Moon, Psyche, Venus and Eros), and probably I excerted that through rejections or maybe even some sort of contempt.

posted October 27, 2008 10:58 AM         

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posted October 27, 2008 11:16 AM         

So do you think you had romantic feelings for him? Mutual romantic feelings? And somehow the situation turned into a manipulative power issue?