posted January 14, 2009 10:17 PM         

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Does that mean the 50 years old men are puppies?

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I'm not condoning the teacher's actions (if true) -- but, no doubt continuing revelations and multiple pedophile charges against some RC priests is nothing in the OP's mind, compared to this woman teacher's violation of one male youngster.....

The rape of female children -- unfortunate, sad, but condoned ~
But the rape of male children -- horrifying and unthinkable.

posted January 14, 2009 10:19 PM         

So, it can be said that misogyny is not reserved entirely for men.

posted January 14, 2009 10:26 PM         

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no doubt continuing revelations and multiple pedophile charges of some RC priests is nothing in the OP's mind, compared to this teacher's violation of one youngster.....

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posted January 14, 2009 10:28 PM         

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It's our curse to live in this interesting time of double standards, and where what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.....

posted January 14, 2009 10:32 PM         

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So, it can be said that misogyny is not reserved entirely for men.

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posted January 14, 2009 10:35 PM         

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I would expect certain empathy from women for other women.

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Yes, one would expect it. I'm usually flabbergasted at anti-women comments made by other women.

posted January 14, 2009 10:36 PM         

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between 1400 and 1700s

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2009. I'd hope for some progress.

posted January 14, 2009 10:37 PM         

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We're supposed to learn and grow. Not repeat for the ages. Or, go backwards.

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posted January 14, 2009 10:39 PM         

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We're supposed to learn and grow. Not repeat for the ages. Or, go backwards.

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posted January 14, 2009 10:41 PM         

OTOH, most female teachers that do this tend to maintain a long term relationship. It’s not unknown for a teacher to go to prison, get out, and MARRY the kid (now an adult). This is very strange when compared to the males that "specialize" in a certain age group and often seem compelled to do it as much as they can (OTOH, isn't that more or less how men are women GENERALLY wired anyway? For the man to tend to be drive to spread his seed as far and wide as he can while a woman tends toward more stable relationships? Maybe it's just that applied to pedo tendencies.)

It’s also possible that this boy pursued her after she lost interest, and she went along in part out of fear of being found out if she didn’t. The boy’s own father may have been encouraging the boy to do this, too (even if the boy didn’t want to). IF this is the case, this still doesn’t excuse her, since she’s the one who got herself into this mess and betrayed the trust of the community that entrusts her with their children. I’m just saying this might be part of the story we’re not getting.

And she did betray the trust of the community. She held power not only over this boy (as she was an authority figure with the power to cause him serious problems or allow serious cheating) but also over others (like say give a hard time to boys that her victim didn't like, or girls that showed interest in "her guy").

That said, she's nowhere as bad (let alone worse than) those that kidnap girls, rape them, and often kill them as the OP said. I don't say that because she's a woman, but because she didn't kidnap him, brutalize him, and murder him.

posted January 14, 2009 10:47 PM         

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she's nowhere as bad (let alone worse than) those that kidnap girls, rape them, and often kill them as the OP said. I don't say that because she's a woman, but because she didn't kidnap him, brutalize him, and murder him.

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posted January 14, 2009 10:48 PM         

But as for all kinds of other abuse--including physical violence--I think women are more prone. I think that both are EQUAL in potential in this manner, but that women are around children more so are given more opportunity to get fed up and show their dark side.

I also think that women are more likely to abuse their daughters than their sons. And men are more likely to physically abuse their boys in an attempt to "make a man" out of them while spoiling their daughters.

posted January 14, 2009 10:56 PM         

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Andrea Yates kills her own kids - poor depressed victim she needs our prayers... BULL.

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From the May 2002 Chronicles Magazine
CULTURAL REVOLUTIONS
“TIME-OUT” FOR ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS

A Texas jury spared the life of Andrea Yates, deliberating 40 minutes before sentencing her to life in prison instead of the death penalty. She will be eligible for parole in 40 years. The jurors deliberated for three hours and 40 minutes before finding Yates guilty of murder in the drowning deaths of her children. Yates pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to two counts of capital murder in the deaths of three of the children, Noah, 7, John, 5, and Mary, 6 months. She was not on trial for the drowning of Luke, 3, and Paul, 2. Her attorneys argued that Yates was insane when she drowned the children but prosecutors said Yates knew what she was doing was wrong.

Andrea Yates, the Houston mother recently sentenced to life in prison for drowning her five children in the bathtub, has become the latest horror story in an alarming string of domestic atrocities occurring in the wake of mental health drug treatment. From the killer kids of Columbine, to the sickies of Springfield, Oregon, and Santee, California, to U.S. Capitol cop-killer, Russell Eugene Weston, runs an almost predictable pattern of antidepressant drug treatment (sometimes coupled with other psychiatric drugs intended to counter the side-effects of the first or to deal with other alleged mental illnesses), followed by loss of impulse control.

Maybe I’m missing the finer points of Mrs. Yates’ preparation for trial, but does this make sense? Here’s a woman who methodically drowned all five of her children, so doctors give her megadoses of psychiatric drugs until she is sane enough to stand trial for murders she committed while on megadoses of psychiatric drugs? If she’s “sane” now, on the new drug regimen, how was anyone to know whether she was sane then on the old drug regimen?

I mean, doesn’t this bring criminal justice to a whole new level? If someone does something illegal — anything at all, like speeding — while taking a prescription, psychotropic drug, couldn’t lawyers just argue that, well, this person was prescribed thus-and-such drug by a doctor, and if the judge will simply order a revised drug regimen, the accused would be happy to drive down the same street again, at the posted speed limit.

Of course, Mrs. Yates was said to be suffering from a particularly severe form of post-partum depression. Some hypothesized that her husband was partly to blame by keeping his wife continually pregnant, resulting in physical and emotional exhaustion. Others presumed some causal link between the “social isolation of home-schooling” and the simultaneous stress of infant care. Yet I could find no recorded incident of this magnitude in the days before birth control, modern anesthetics, and “opportunities” for women — when large families, long hours, and few amenities were the norm. Given the money the Yates family spent on mental health treatment, including on psychiatrist Muhammad Saaed and the various drugs prescribed over the years, Mrs. Yates could have hired some help at home. She could have had her “tubes tied” — a simple out-patient procedure — had she been desperate to avoid further pregnancies. But by all accounts, she loved her children and her husband dearly. Something else had to be going on.

There has been a shift in the ethical winds in the field of medicine. In particular, psychotropic drugs do not appear to be held to the same standard as other medications. Whether this is due to profiteering by drug manufacturers or whether people have been so taken in by promise of feel-good medications and insist upon having them is unclear. What is clear is that the safety criteria for mental-health products are not as rigorous as for those aimed at physical well-being, like antibiotics and pain-killers.

Fifteen years ago, I got a prescription pain-killer called Zomax following dental surgery.It stopped the throbbing immediately; didn’t make me sleepy, “spacey,” or nauseous; and wasn’t habit-forming. Two years later, I was under the knife again for an abscessed tooth. I expected another Zomax prescription. I was told it had been pulled from the market. The substitute medication I was given not only didn’t work but made me sick. Pacing the floor with a throbbing jaw, I was furious. Why did a perfectly good drug get pulled?

One person apparently had died from it, my dentist said.

“One person?” I spat. “One person, and a drug line gets pulled?” That seemed a huge overreaction, until I thought about it. I guess that’s why we have a Food and Drug Administration. Only in America would the death of one person warrant rethinking an entire product line — except in the case of psychotropic drugs.

Of course, one expects individual (“idiosyncratic”) reactions to most drugs. But when the brain is the target of treatment, not only is the patient at risk of adverse reactions, so is society.

There are two schools of thought concerning the use of legal psychotropic drugs. One, from the mental health industry, insists that troubled individuals who see a psychiatrist and are prescribed drugs simply evidence their need of them. The failure of the substances in question to control violent impulses is viewed not as a failure of the drugs per se but as a failure of society to impose mandatory early-detection programs — for example, post-natal counseling for new mothers and behavioral screening for schoolchildren — the way schools and insurance companies demand physical examinations.

An opposing view — increasingly prevalent among pediatricians, neurologists, nutritionists and allergists — is that mood-altering drugs are insufficiently tested and so unpredictable that they can push even normal adults over the edge, not to mention troubled individuals and children. These experts complain of pressure to attribute the physical complaints of patients to mental causes whenever a diagnosis is elusive, time-consuming, or costly.

Ann Blake Tracy, author and executive director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, points to a whole new level of suicides in recent years among patients prescribed antidepressants — not your typical sleeping pill, wrist-slitting, carbon-monoxide variety, but grisly, masochistic methods like dismemberment with a chain saw. While antidepressant drugs are not supposed to be habit-forming, getting off of them, she says, frequently results in “strange and terrible thoughts,” including suicide, lasting long after the drug or drug cocktail is stopped.

Depression and anger appear to be a particularly volatile mix. Both tend to be treated with antidepressants on the theory that chronic anger is a form of depression. But what if anger and depression are not two sides of the same coin? Suppose the worst possible thing an angry person could do is to take an antidepressant? It’s certainly beginning to look that way, especially when combined with a powerful antipsychotic drug such as Haldol, which was prescribed for Mrs. Yates.

Most psychiatric drugs haven’t been around long enough to determine even the short-term effects, much less long-term ones, a fact that’s obvious from the pharmaceutical literature on antidepressant drugs.Yet they are marketed for everything from compulsive shopping to discomfort in crowds. Children are particularly vulnerable to side effects because their brain circuitry and hormones are still developing. For example, if some 90 percent of adults experience sexual dysfunction with drugs like Prozac, Paxil and Luvox, what about adolescents and toddlers?

Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were rumored to be either gay or uninterested in dating and sex. Since no one could fully confirm the conflicting rumors, they didn’t get much press. But given the side-effect of drugs like Prozac and Luvox, it would not be surprising to see sexual confusion fluctuating between utter disinterest and hypersexuality.

Antidepressant use, especially in children, has also been linked to the inability to enter deep sleep. Sleep deprivation is known to produce paranoia, heightened irritability (anger), and even psychotic outbreaks — one reason for its use as a method of torture.

While none of this entirely exempts anyone from responsibility for his own conduct or that of family members who are on prescription drugs, it does, perhaps, shed light on the grotesque (and even out-of-character) nature of the rampages committed by individuals on antidepressants, especially in combination with other psychotropic substances.

Researchers are understandably anxious to be on the cutting edge of science, including medicine. But today we see the merging of social psychology — a controversial field notorious for its ambiguous advice — with hard sciences such as biology and chemistry, in an effort to alter human behavior and even personality. Everything possible is being done to institutionalize this merger — from appealing, prime-time advertising to legislation aimed at achieving parity between physical and mental-health treatments. Difficult life experiences are deemed a disease.

Before we travel too far down this road, maybe we need to stand back, take a deep breath, and tell the officials at the FDA to take a page out of pop-psychology texts:Maybe it’s time to declare a “time out” for antidepressant drugs pending a more thorough investigation of long-term side-effects and drug interactions.

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This is known as the legal way to be a pedophile.

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"Our mothers and before them our grandmothers married when they were barely 12," said Al Sheikh, according to Al-Hayat.

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Ever see pictures of these women? They look like they've been run through the mill and their eyes always look sad. Hm, I wonder why?

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Activists say the girls are given away in return for hefty dowries or as a result of long-standing custom in which a father promises his infant daughters and sons to cousins out of a belief that marriage will protect them from illicit relationships."

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Right, forcing a ten year old into marriage by none other than dear sweet Daddy and men in positions of power and made to "perform wifely duties" is not an illicit relationship. By Allah she better perform to his liking or her life may just as well be over for what they will do to her.

I'm curious about that word mufti. At first I thought it said muffin. According to my dictionary it states: "A professional jurist who interprets Muslim law".

Nice. A high paying job for professional pedophiles. Even though the full moon is still wreaking havoc with me, I'm not going to list the qualifications one must meet in order to qualify.

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Spoken like a true pedophile.

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The mufti said a good upbringing will make a girl capable of carrying out her duties as a wife."
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Hmm, since daddy made the dea does that mean it's his responsibility to "train her in performing her wifely duties" or is she expected to be as clean as the virgin snow? Just curious who is responsible for ensuring a good upbringing.

posted January 15, 2009 10:40 AM         

Yeah, to his liking. A lot of these guys like to twist the Qaran to suit their ends. In truth most of these guys never read even read the Qaran, or really studied it. They just take a random Hadith or phrase and pin it onto their interpretations for their own benefit. Shameful.

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"A professional jurist who interprets Muslim law" -

Yeah, to his liking. A lot of these guys like to twist the Qaran to suit their ends. In truth most of these guys never read even read the Qaran, or really studied it. They just take a random Hadith or phrase and pin it onto their interpretations for their own benefit. Shameful.

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posted January 16, 2009 01:43 PM         

Blame it on my Pisces South Node, but, I have difficulty demonizing people and calling for their blood.

As I see it, this woman is sick.. sick.. as in, ill.. as in, not right in the head... as in, needs help.

Sane people do not do things like this. Warped minds make warped decisions.

And can you really blame a warped mind for making a warped decision?

Only if you are coming from a purely irrational and emotional place.

Now, we can all continue the vicious cycle of abuse and sentence this woman to hell...

Or we can try to understand the root causes of these things...

For one thing, this woman was almost undoubtedly molested and abused herself at some point in her formative years..

And while not everyone's mind warps under that kind of pressure, clearly, many do.

The seduction of a thirteen year old by an "adult" is grossly disturbing, but rather than put all our focus on that, and work ourselves up into a bloodlust..

Why isnt anybody here trying to understand the reasons why these things happen in the first place?

Punishing people does little to prevent these things, and it does absolutely nothing to treat the real causes.

For a fraction of the cost of imprisoning this woman, we could hire a thousand shamans to exorcise her demons.

That would be true justice. That would be mercy. "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."