posted January 23, 2009 07:51 AM            

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It has always been a mtter of practice for women to marry above them.

show me women , who wants to marry below her, unless she is in her later thirties .

Marriage has always been more about econmics - a partnership that aims at creating a life together - rather than love.

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If you believe in equality , do you believe that a you should pay half the fine-dining expenses that arise in the course of dating. ?

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Why shouldnt women make their contributions..if they think they are equally capable...

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posted January 23, 2009 03:21 PM              

the point I am trying to get you to understand is they had a safe place to go. there are abuse hotlines, domestic violence shelters and resourses. Those indian women have no safe place to run. If those men were convicted for thier crimes your jails and prisons would be full of the scumbags that hurt the women, and then what do you say caused them to be prison living scumbags (your verbiage)? two parent homes are 98 percent of your population in india. put the scumbag acid throwers and low life bride burners and sadistic dowry beaters in prison ..all violators of human rights, and then what would you say was the reason the prisons are over full? it is not single moms raising these individuals who have no regard for human life. it is two parent families.

Those women have no safe place to go. no shelter to run to, no domestic violence hotline and no chance of escaping a "kitchen fire". Those women count. Those women need a safe place. not only do they need a safe place, they deserve a safe place. acid throwers belong behind bars. Who raised these animals? two parent homes.

you have the education, knowledge and resources to make a difference in thier lives. not to mention a GIFT of healing,,, you. are. empowered.

that is my point. These women have a voice, but can not be heard. too afraid to speak. speaking out means certain punishment up to and including death.

you tell me. how can we make a difference? How can you blame everything on the breakdown of the faminly when it is very clear that two parent homes raise children that are lawless dehumanizing women killing scumbags. (scumbag is your word). your view must be inclusive or you will never have a completre picture of what was, what is, and what will be.

again, if one woman is helped out of a violent situation, it is one less statistic, and one life saved. We as women have a responsibility in sisterhood to support one another. to uphold human decency and to use our gifts and resources to somehow make this world a little better place than we found it.

so stop your bullcrap about how crimes are mostly committed by children raised in single parent homes, the crimes against humanity that are routinely committed in your country are raised by mothers and fathers. two parents.

bottom line - who will help them? who will stop the violence? how can we help them? you. me.

if the four posters to this thread were born in india, one ofus would nat have made it to the age of 15 years. one of us would be beaten for the size of our dowry, or worse. that leaves two lives out of four not affected by widespread violence against women.

and to blow another one of your little rants all to hell, lets talk about the drug lords and heroin manufacture and opium problems in a country with mainly 2 parent families. ooppp's ...can't blame it on single parent homes anymore, as the trade is rampant in india, two parent homes 98 percent. we don't grow poppy here, or whatever the hell herion comes from. fill your prisons up with lawless drug traffickers and you , yes, evenyou would have to conclude it ois not a single parent non traditional family making these renegades.

US concerned over illicit drug market in India

18 Sep 2007, 0940 hrs IST, PTI


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WASHINGTON: The US has expressed concern over illicit drug market in India saying significant amounts of Opium poppy produced for legitimate
pharmaceutical purposes get diverted to illegal markets.

"India have a large problem of diversion of chemicals and of Opium production. Because of the diversion from their licit opium that they do grow, it's finding its way to the illicit market, and as much as 30 per cent of their Opium is being diverted," the State Department has said in its latest Annual Report on the Major Drug Producing Countries.

"Recently, Indian law enforcement officials discovered and destroyed very large fields of poppy grown in areas where before, we thought there was no illicit cultivation," Christy McCampbell, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Narcotics and Law Enforcement said.

India has been listed in the "Majors List" of illegal drug transit and drug producing countries, a categorisation of nations which are overwhelmed by drug related violence, crime and corruption.

The countries listed for this year's Majors list are the same as they have been for the last two years and include Afghanistan, Brazil, Burma, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, and Pakistan besides India.

"Because a country is listed on the Majors list does not necessarily mean that country supports narcotic trafficking or is lagging in its counter-narcotics efforts.

"The law stipulates that a major illicit drug producing country is defined as one that either cultivates or harvests at least a thousand hectares or more of Coca or Opium or also five thousand hectares of Cannabis during a single year," she said.

ok, so,now we understand crime is not due to the family breakdown. or if you still think it is, give me YOUR PERSONAL opinion on why crime against humanity and drug trafficking has its network spread far and wide into countries that have very low divirce rates. your opinion.

also, my question about what can be done to set up safe places for victims of wide spread abuse in india..nowhere to run cost many lives. now, YOU talk. don't post your term paper articles. consider everything said and tell me how you can still blame breakdown of families on prison population. and how about not saying that india has low prisonpopulation, becasue if criminals were pounished, your prisons would be as full as ours. to the tune of 25,000 per year killing and maiming women.

again i implore you to put the bitterness aside and decide how we can help these poor abused women with nowhere to run.

posted January 23, 2009 06:31 PM            

I'm offended by the seriously unbalanced view you're taking of the situation. I think most of us are. I mean, I've witnessed over and over again at this forum that treating an idea (or a person, or a group of people) unfairly will ALWAYS get this same reaction. It doesn't even matter what the subject is, as long as there's a perceived unfairness, it will be pounced upon.

Posting a conspiracy theory that the government introduced feminism in order to raise money is about as logical as saying that the government introduced crack to the inner city to kill blacks, or that God gave us AIDS in order to rid the world of gay people. It may seem logical to some, but that doesn't mean that it's an accurate hypothesis. (I can think of a much more elaborate example, but it might be overkill.)

Calling feminists Marxist Socialists isn't realistic either. I think that if you starting asking the women around you if they're feminists, they'll want you to qualify what you mean by "feminist". If you give them any sense of your version of feminism (including Marxist Socialism), they probably won't identify with it. If you pass it off as only interested in equal rights for women, then they'll agree with being feminists, because I think that's where the generic term "feminism" is in this day and age. That's why you're not finding support for your theories even amongst Conservative women, because they also want equal rights for women.

posted January 24, 2009 03:15 PM            

They do not have a choice to be housewives .

Western Feminism focused a lot of their attention on getting women out of the house and working so they could be financially independent. In the west, wealthier women (unfortunately many of the activists were rich because they had time to be politically active) were not expected to work. It was taboo. Women were not taken seriously in the business world, and to a certain extent, they still aren't.

The thing about Feminism is that it encompasses many social classes and races and cultures. Don't get ****** because one sect of Feminism focuses on more well to do women. Many feminists work hard to raise awareness in other countries and income levels.

Feminsits also work to help poor women and to make them more politically active. Over the summer I worked with the Womens Democracy Network, which holds conferences in other countries to help women become more politically active in order to raise them up so they are not treated as second class citizens.

posted January 24, 2009 07:35 PM            

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thanx to feminism's lesbian stalwarts like Dworkin et al who were doing nothing more than project their own penis envy on women and men thru hate speeches today tax payers are supporting 40 % of all single moms and their b@stard spawn

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004734.html
if you and other Liberals dont stop moralising international politics I will end up paying for the upbringing of a million B@stards so their s1ut mamas can throw themselves on junkies and bad boys with no regard for responsibility.

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In my area it is very "Bible Beltish".
The right to lifers even protest the Planned Parenthood.
I have gone up to these protesters and asked
if they would adopt the unwanted children. Answers range from..
no...its black...
to even...
no way would I want to adopt a crack smoking sl-t's ba$tard brat ! That's what foster care is for you "blank(insert racial slur) lover!
Uh huh.
These narrow minded bigots think scaring teens with Bible quotes will stop them from having sex.
Sex ed has been protested too and hobbled.
And STD's and pregnancy are on the rise.
Teens who use to go to Planned Parenthood and or free clinics for condoms are afraid to now. The holier than thou would harrass and or assault them
PS. Oddly the protesters I have encountered are all white Christians. If their kids mess up they secretly "take care of the "problem"..
what a bunch of hypocrites!

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posted January 24, 2009 07:38 PM            

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It has always been a mtter of practice for women to marry above them.
show me women , who wants to marry below her,
unless she is in her later thirties .

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Marriage has always been more about econmics -
a partnership that aims at creating a life together - rather than love

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posted January 24, 2009 08:09 PM            

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And what of the woman, single, who wanted and has a child without marrying a man . . . ?

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posted January 24, 2009 08:16 PM            

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but its not forcing women to leave their husbands
by brainwashing them through school and college
so when they hit their late thirties and men want nothinh to do with them,
off they go to the sperm donors to make up for not having a hubby...wow..

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Would you let a man go scot free if his wife turns into a post-partum depression monster ,
refuses to do the chores around the house , mistreats the kids...
Men are expected to stick with their decisions and if they call
such women for what they are they are coward pigs
who only knbow to run when the going gets tough.

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Your remarks are totally disgusting.
So a woman afflicted with severe post-partum depression are all:

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b]such women for what they are they are coward pigs
who only knbow to run when the going gets tough.[/b]

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posted January 24, 2009 08:24 PM            

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so when they hit their late thirties and men want nothinh to do with them

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It has always been a mtter of practice for women to marry above them.
show me women , who wants to marry below her,
unless she is in her later thirties.

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posted January 25, 2009 05:22 AM              

I`m very sorry I even read them.

Venus de India,

I value your astro-threads very much, but I can`t understand how anyone can have such a negative superficial (superficial because it is very generalised) view on a group of people (be it women, men, children, jews, Christians, Hindu, black people, white people or whoever).

To all:

I`m glad I have met people with different opinions here like PA, AG, Zala, BM, LEXX, Koi and many others; you are actually the only reasons I am still enjoying this place to a big part, even though many of the threads and voiced opinions and subjective assumptions (masqueraded as FACT, resting upon statistics and surveys - of which often there are so many different, that they contradict each other constantly and therefor don´t deliver reliable results-, or resting on the spiritual enlightment of some - which cannot be proven in any way - after all Charles Manson or Jim Jones also called themselves enlightened beings).

My dissatisfaction is not only founded on this thread alone, but on many things I`ve read during the last few months.

I would welcome it very much, if people stopped presenting their OPINION as the only valid truth and would also stop belittling those who don`t share their opinion.

What I said in my sentences above, is MY opinion, nothing else.
And I personally find it very appalling to degrade a person or a group of people.