posted January 25, 2009 04:03 AM         

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He was indeed selected, etc etc

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He was elected normally; decisively and without controversy I might add.

Regarding Isreal, which candidate did you think was going to suddenly jump down Isreal's throat? Are we being realistic, or would virtually any American politician get this ire, because I can't see -in the real world- where things would be different with any other major candidate capable of winning an American election. With that being the case, it's not so much, "Boo Obama," as it is, "Boo America," because this is the precedent that's been set, and it won't quickly or easily be undone.

posted January 25, 2009 04:11 AM         

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Focus on where it's coming from for the love of Ritz Crackers.

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posted January 25, 2009 09:00 AM         

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With that being the case, it's not so much, "Boo Obama," as it is, "Boo America," because this is the precedent that's been set, and it won't quickly or easily be undone.

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posted January 25, 2009 12:17 PM         

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he wouldn't have bolstered America's image by condemning Israel if he had won

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posted January 25, 2009 03:01 PM         

It's not about TIME, it's about POWER/MONEY and world domination. Obama won't do anything about Israel cos America is run by people who live and have family in Israel!!!
You can't bite the hand that feeds you, can you?

Also, Clinton was never getting in... the whole thing was a fix. It was so obvious the way it played out. "Here Mr Obama, you have the best script". Ron Paul had a lot of people backing him but even if everyone voted for him he still wouldn't have gotten in!!

posted January 25, 2009 08:01 PM         

as for pakistan i am appalled yet this has been going on since before obama and he NEVER said he was going to call an immediate ceasefire anywhere. in fact in the debate where i saw him talking about leaving iraq to concentrate on afghanistan made me want to puke. at that point i saw it was still politics-as-usual even though the colour and attitude of the man shout new! different!

but if the news tomorrow is a picture of the dead binladen, everything could change. i'm not suggesting it will be, i agree with lara there IS NO AL QAEDA; but that is just my gut feeling. i am not privy to the relevant information. none of us are. so we cannot sit in our armchairs and judge anyone on one act.

in any case if you have ever experienced a change of management in your company of work, you will know the wise ones do not try to change much at first. they get into the rhythm they have inherited and THEN they reorganize, not everything, but first the most crucial or simplest changes, followed by more until they have reshaped the company. those who come in, fire the residing staff (or large portions of it), change all the procedures and rules, just create chaos.

posted January 25, 2009 09:27 PM         

Why US went into Iraq l have no idea... worse decision ever. They have started a wave of hatred across the ME which is really not a good idea, especially when America's armed forces are not great enough in numbers to fight more than one country at a time!! If Iran and another country turn on the US, it is totally ****ed.

MVM, yes it is a huge problem for US citizens and the rest of the world. For the US Govt and leading Govts around the world it is not a problem at all because they have created it!! Nothing is by accident, even Gaza war.

Katatonic, l agree although we don't know very little - we know an awful lot!! There is so much information out there and common sense prevails.

BinLaden l am in 2 minds about. They had a guy on CNN last year who they said was Bin Laden but it wasn't. This guy had the wrong nose wrong shaped eyes and there were other things that didn't add up. Bin Laden might be dead, might be living in europe, who knows!
Bi Laden used to be an ALLY of the USA lol
They paid him!!!

I think the only thing a President is allowed to make absolute decisions on is what to eat at meal times.

posted January 26, 2009 09:05 AM         

Politics will always be politics...
but the big picture shows progress for humanity step by step and good deed by good deed. I think it is good to remember that, especially when dealing with corruption and conspiracy. Also, it is difficult to find truth in extremism. There are always a few fanatics... but the Truth usually lies in some gray area in the middle which is why there is such confusion between "sides".
I hope you enjoy the video.

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posted January 26, 2009 04:35 PM         

hhhmmm .. well re strong emotions .. remember info re pluto transits :-))
( looks as if you've transiting Saturn to natal Pluto on as well ..
( that's both t.Pluto and t.Lillith .. who are now conjuct .. squaring your natal Chiron
( and transiting Chiron to your Mars 'n Lillith placements
( also it's the time of your Uranus opposition .. that's 5 degrees prior to exact .. but .. it's building up ..
( t.Venus has been opposing yer natal Pluto .. now opposing natal Uranus
( i'll write up the Uranus cycle from a Lz.G book at somestage ..
( and t.Mars 'n Merc have been squaring your Saturn/Venus /N.Node .. and potentialy your natal Moon

anyhowz re Why US went into Iraq ..
my theory is this ..
for a long time saddam hussein was considered to be the biggest threat in that region ..
his attempt to take over the kuwaiti oil fields gave the coalition an opportunity / excuse to go after him ..
can't ignore a major threat to oil supplies ..
can't forget the other major world players and their desire for regional influence ..
e.g. russia ..
( 'n that region has been perfect for testing east versus west conventional arms technology )
although i'm sure the reasons for that war are a much more complex ..

why did japan and germany go to war in the '40s ..
land and natural resources grab for one ..
in fact .. i think land and economics has been cited as one of the main reason for wars ..
( just had a thought .. the american war of independence was sparked by a land sale tax .. as far as i know ..
( i think it was tuppence an acre .. or something like that ..

and how to motivate the troops ( armies do not fight well without motivation ) ..
"Iraqi Freedom" is one concept .. the word "freedom" rings a very loud bell in the usa psyche ..
after all 'individual freedom' is a top value re the usa ..
and .. just after 9/11 .. there be huge desire for revenge i would imagine ..
the 9/11 lot had arabic backgrounds .. it's not too hard to stereotype all arabs for example ..
i.e. in the mind of a young soldier .. .. so .. primed for revenge and suitably motivated ..

** Thanks Happy Dragon for your link. **
i posted that 'cause i was trying to find some info as to why the middle east seems so important ..
plenty of nasty tragic things take place in this world ..
e.g. rwanda .. darfur .. burma .. the recent fight caucus's .. and the list could go on and on ..
but those don't seem to demand much attention compared to the middle-east ..
anyway .. i think global military strategic influence plays a main part ..
and untill at least the end of the cold war .. that be usa and the former ussr as main players ..

and viewing all this through the media is one thing ..
( news editors .. video editors .. webmasters .. all show the viewing masses what They want us to see/hear )
being there on the ground .. in the midst of it is entirely different ..

e.g. the lebanese civil war 1975-1990 ..
to most of the world it was primarly christian militias versus islamic militias ..
with added input from the israelis in '82
( ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War ~ .. )
however .. on the ground in beirut .. one finds that the place is full of war-lords
each with their own area of control .. each with their own agendas and alliances ..
and so-and-so's family/clan/tribe hates what's-his-name family/clan/tribe going back generations
there's family honour to consider .. and concepts such as 'loss of face'
'my enemie's enemy is my friend' .. etc etc ..

'loss of face' and 'honor' played a vital role in the egyptian-israeli peace making ..
the egyptian army managed to take part of the sinai in '73 ..
( ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War ~ )
that was a major reclamation of 'honour' given their defeat in 1967 ..

and lack of technical knowledge can prove deadly ..
remember the recent case of the british camera man who was killed by israeli tank fire ..
well .. from a distance .. in the eyes of a tank commander .. a shoulder mounted camera ..
can look like a shoulder mounted anti-tank missile launcher ..
and .. the various militias have a history of deception ..
such as using ambulances / ' tv-media' vehicles to act as a cover ..
i know one thing .. if a tank commander sees what looks like an immediate threat to his crew ..
he'd better do something about it very quick .. i.e. eliminate the percieved threat pronto ..
also .. the media is one ever growing weapon of war ..
so if the 'missile launcher' turns out to be a camera ..
it could also be a case of 'tough-cheese' for the camera-man in the eyes of said tank crew ..
( hand held .. or minimum crew portable anti-tank missiles .. namely the russian sagger
played absolute havoc against israeli tanks in '73 .. more so than any enemy tank fire )
( ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-3_Sagger ~ )

in short .. the whole middle east situation be very very complex ..
and a suitably large headache for any usa president to tackle ..
not as simple as an 'on-off' switch ..

posted January 27, 2009 12:32 AM         

Get acquainted with the revolving door between politics and big business in this country.

Also, I don't find it hard to believe at all that the Supreme Court could be pressured into ignoring a substantial case.

And Ron Paul never had a chance in the elections -- ONLY because of the media blackout that the Corporatocracy ordered on him. Most people I've met don't even know his name. More's the pity. On his MERITS he could have won easily. Did you know he BROKE THE ALL-TIME RECORD FOR ONE DAY OF FUNDRAISING, and did so without a bit of help from big business? I thought not.

And I leave my own petty desires at the door when what we're talking about affects the entire globe, TYVM. I am, after all, a professional Libra.

Dig deeper for the truth, it's been deliberately buried under more layers of spin and propaganda than most of you would dare believe. And hurry -- people are dying over our apathy and ignorance.

The REALITY in Iraq.

posted January 27, 2009 01:03 AM         

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AG: Obama used to sit on the board of factcheck.org, and disbursed upwards of $60,000,000 while there. You think he's lost his influence with them post-employment?
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That doesn't disprove his birth certificate, nor politifact's findings, nor the Conservative-dominated Supreme Court not finding any merit in the case.

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I don't find it hard to believe that the Supreme Court has enough information to make a decision on whether the case has merit.

I have a problem with people wanting to promote a conspiracy behind every little thing that happens in government and politics. I can't imagine that an organization so big would inspire enough loyalty to keep everyone in the know from talking about the things that go against their sense of fairness, equity, and justice, especially because politics can be a fairly polarizing, passionate thing. If you were in Ron Paul's administration, and he [or someone else in the administration] did something you found completely unethical, would your sense of duty to him override your sense of duty to tell people about what you've seen?

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No, I didn't, but when I looked it up I found out that you're wrong on that.

Paul's total is the highest amount raised by a candidate in one-day online fundraising. However, Mitt Romney is the single-day fundraising record holder in the Republican presidential field, having earned $6.7 million in one day of phone banks at the launch of his campaign. When it comes to sums amassed in one day, Paul now ranks only behind Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton, who raised nearly $6.2 million on June 30, and Barack Obama. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308404,00.html

posted January 27, 2009 01:41 AM         

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I can't imagine that an organization so big would inspire enough loyalty to keep everyone in the know from talking about the things that go against their sense of fairness, equity, and justice...

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You're assuming that these people have a sense of fairness, equality, and justice. And, you're assuming wrongly. They don't.

As for fundraising records... you can split hairs if you like, but I don't even need to look anything up to know that the others you mentioned had corporate support. Ron Paul did $6.2m without, and that says something about people's opinion of him.

As for seeing a conspiracy everywhere... how can I not? It is everywhere, and it gets by precisely because of the incredulity you expressed in the above quote: "I can't imagine an organization so big..." You can't see what you won't allow yourself to imagine.

posted January 27, 2009 01:49 AM         

As far as Obama goes, the man is NOT perfect. He has only been President a few days and is taking office after what has been arguably the worst Presidency in American history. The Bush administration has left this country in shambles and Obama is walking right into his mess.

As far as Presidential support for Israel goes, no presidential candidate that wants to win will even have a slither of a chance if they campaign against Israel or their agenda. I personally do not agree with or support Israel or their political agenda. Am I anti-semite? Absolutely NOT!!! (C'mon now, i'm married to Natalie Portman lol!)

I hope Obama starts the change in lessening the blind support given to Israel because it certainly won't end overnight.