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Topic: The Superficial
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ghanima81
Moderator Posts: 1868
From: MAINE! :)
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 27, 2009 06:48 PM
 
HSC,Maybe you should start your own thread and invite people to debate about this topic instead of coming into a thread meant to be lighthearted and not taken seriously. Then you would be free to justify your attacks on people. They would be going into the thread KNOWING that they were exptected to be clever and match you point for counterpoint instead of just looking for a little giggle and called 'catty or b!tchy' for it.... "Superficial: The Debate on Paparazzi Invasion" would, I think get you your argument without the drama that this one has brought into fruition. I don't give a rats personally about what celebrities are up to, so I really have nothing to contribute. Obviously, it sucks to be them, but you know what? It sucks to be us normal folks too who can barely make it by and would probably trade being followed around by a camera (see how many sign up for it based on how many 'reality tv shows' there are) and the money it comes with for enough food to feed our families or to keep our houses. IP: Logged |
cheshirekat
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: wonderland
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted March 27, 2009 08:05 PM
I am not one for celeb gossip but sometimes I chuckle a bit when some folks get shocked over it. "Did ya know so and so broke up".."Did ya know so and so does crack while nude?"..or "Did you see that ugly thing they were wearing at Oscars..?".The last time I checked, celebs were human. They crap, p!ss, moan, and groan like the rest us. So what excludes them from being ridicule? Just because your famous does not mean your above to being slandered or ridiculed like anyone else in this "greeeeaaaaat" world. I am pretty sure if I came out wearing Granny clothes, someone would ridicule me..XD.. As for the paparazzi, how can you not know once you get famous the cameras will not be on you 24/7. The paparazzi as been known through the decades to annoy the crap out of celebs. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:06 PM
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I have laid out my feelings on this subject (that really isn't about your thread T, sorry again)and I am trying to see some reasonable resolution but finding it hard.
If it smoothes things over with you and HSC and your friendship is repaired then, awesome! Even if not, the thread has turned all dysfunctional now anyway so who cares?  Wherever the wind takes it is fine by me. I'm still finding humor in it and if it's used for understanding between people then all the better! It would be nice if you two patched things up.  and thumbsup to your last post.  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:09 PM
Ghani,If its alright,
I think it may be revealing
of our differences of opinion
if I attempt to paraphrase you.
Let me know if I'm hearing you clearly:
"If you see something that you think is corrupting the world,
do not confront it directly, but go somewhere else and talk about it;
you should not choose your opponents in this world, but,
the only opponents you are allowed to have are the ones who you invite,
and who choose to listen to something that challenges their philosophy."
"As long as something is making people laugh lightheartedly,
it doesn't matter what the larger scale consequences are to others." "We have a right to resent celebrities for their success,
and to tear them down at every chance we get, to feel big,
because our lives suck and we are bitter and entitled to abuse them." How did I do?
Also, can somebody tell me why people who work so hard for their money,
and for their time, would want to waste them both on these guilty pleasures?
And, isn't this one of the lowest ways to feel better about yourself and your station in life? IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:15 PM
Mel, what's going on with my health is nothing new, just maybe getting slightly worse over time. I posted about it in another thread in this forum. Just some insane pms-ing wild mood-swinging crap, as usual. Always fun. I havent emailed lately because i don't have too much positive to say and don't want to bring you down. Some days i'm barely holding it together. I know you understand and I dont need to explain. So here I am at LindaLand again trying to escape and have a good time. I've plummeted enough depths for one lifetime. I don't feel the need to do it here anymore.How was Rosie's concert? IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:18 PM
MVM, quote:
HSC, have you considered a Save The Celebrities Campaign?
LOL No, but I have deeply considered a SAVE EVERYBODY campaign.
AG,
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I saw it as Joaquin was being difficult for Dave, so Dave answered in kind. Dave's got an audience to entertain. If the guest helps, that's great. If the guest tries to torpedo the show, Dave's got to take responsibility for keeping it on track.
Interesting.
I just thought he was being himself.
They asked him on the show.
He probably thought they wanted to ask
about his music and his lifechange.
Dave (an Aries, btw) was inflexible,
and refused to meet him half-way.
When Joaquin didnt speak in a loud tone,
and at a snappy pace, Dave taunted him.
And it would have been okay, but it was clear
that Dave was just making the situation more awkward,
and he just kept teasing and dominating the spot.
It's like, "hey, I'm going to invite you on my show,
and when you agree to do my show, I am going to mess with you."
I'm sure they had a pre-interview interview, and Dave
must have known that Joaquin wasnt going to be like every other guest.
I just think it is unfortuneate that sensitive, reflective people,
who find it hard sometimes to shoot the superficial bull
have to be trampled over like that, just because they can be.
I admire Joaquin for not blowing his top.
He gave Dave the rope and let him hang himself.
I thought Dave was the embarrassment, not Joaquin. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:21 PM
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And, isn't this one of the lowest ways to feel better about yourself and your station in life?
HSC, it seems you didnt understand my last rant many pages ago. Most of us are not feeling better by reading these things about these celebs and simply find what this guy's choice of wording and what he picks out to be funny. Not that these people are just as screwed up as the rest of us. What the guy comes up with is a hoot. That's all. We don't see it as him "abusing them" and just that he's being funny. And he is. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:28 PM
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HSC, it seems you didnt understand my last rant many pages ago.
It seems you think I was talking about you,
and everything I say applies directly to you. I was responding to Ghani's rant there, not yours, T.
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Most of us are not feeling better by reading these things about these celebs
You say "most of us", which implies that some of you... I can't believe I have to explain this. lol
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and simply find what this guy's choice of wording to be funny. Not that these people are just as screwed up as the rest of us. What the guy comes up with is a hoot. That's all. We don't see it as him "abusing them" and just that he's being funny. And he is.
T, Try to understand... I agree with all of this. But I am asking you to see more than this. There is a bigger picture. And you are a part of it,
whether you care about it or not.
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:33 PM
Like I and others tried explaining to you before; it's not that we arent understanding where you are coming from HSC.No, i didnt think you were speaking directly to me, but clearly the "other side" is not clear to you. Still! We all understand your arguement HSC. You are still not listening to ours. I asked you earlier: ' do you feel as if you havent been heard?'
We have recieved your message HSC. There's nothing complicated about it. Nor is there anything complicated about the other side. Why do you feel you have to convince everyone to see things your way? And into your "bigger picture"??? IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:38 PM
"Who has ears to hear, let them hear."IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:40 PM
Jesus ChristIP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:41 PM
youre sick, HSC.IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:42 PM
Don't you hear that most of us have been "hearing" you HSC and you call it "ganging up"???IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 8280
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 08:43 PM
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Is it just because I stand alone?
Is that why you assume I respect no one?
I respected you, when you spoke for consideration.
Didn't I?
That was probably one of less than a handful of posts I have made that you could construe as agreeing with your opinion. The way I see it, the only reason you gave me props for my “awesome” post was because it agreed with your opinion, your “side” of the discussion. I don’t quite understand this “caved to peer pressure” thang – I still don’t care for the picture and caption for Nicole Kidman. But I acknowledge that there are others who find humor in it. It’s not my style, but I choose to live and let live. What I was talking about is all the other times we’ve had discussions, and you cannot or will not see my point of view, because I’ve “succumbed to peer pressure” and stubbornly persist in agreeing with your opposition, and joined the “fuming mob” that’s currently stoning you….. quote:
The Brando allusion was intentional, in case you missed it.
Do you think that I did “miss it??” Are you saying that I could’ve “been somebody” had I not conceded that there are other viewpoints out there besides mine?? quote:
It is a profound testament to the hypocrisy of each one of you
that you do not ask your allies to behave with the same decorum
that you so vehemently insist on seeing in your opponent.
I believe my post is right after Snohawk’s, where I suggested to my “ally” that he not continue with the name-calling. I don’t see how that’s hypocritical, or somehow lesser, than the rebuke I gave you for telling 26T that she was full of sh!t. quote:
And ask yourselves, if any one of you would have the stubbornness
and fortitude to stand up, alone, to this stream of abuse.
Do you honestly think you could or would do it for your principles?
Before we continue any further on the noble martyrdom path with this “stream of abuse” perception, I need to ask a question, and request a direct answer: WHY do you think you are on the receiving end of this “stream of abuse??”Re: quote:
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Those others come to me for help and advice, which is one main difference between me and you.
Yeah? Did I ask for your "help and advice"?
No? Well, thanks for your opinion, anyway.
My brilliance and heart are wasted on you people.
Have fun stumbling around in the dark, and calling it light.
Perhaps my illustration was somewhat inscrutable. What I meant, by bringing up part of my duties at work, was that people *ask* me for help. I don’t recall any of us in this thread (or other threads) asking *you* for your analyses (help) about what’s wrong with *us* and why, and why there’s nothing wrong with your position, because in fact it’s THE absolute Truth, see here’s all my logic and rationale. Yes, of course, your "help" is just your opinion, and opinions are what message boards are all about. Perhaps you don’t realize, Stephen, that much of the “abuse” you get from the LL veterans in current threads is an accumulation of thoughts/feelings that weren’t settled satisfactorily (for instance, by all “sides” Agreeing To Disagree) in previous threads of “bi-annual meltdowns” -- and also because you continue to make value judgments (such as) that we are stumbling around in the dark, whilst you are basking in the light, and freely offering that same light to us, only we're just too obtuse to recognize the "fact" of your brilliance..... quote:
Any one who has paid close attention to my ethics in these battles
has seen me admit error numerous times, and correct statements.
Guess I’d better get my magnifying glass out, pull up “ahhh, woman” once more, and see if I can find those numerous instances of error-admission  I’ve seen apologies, but never have I seen you admit to “error.” But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one – since I’m tired from a busy week and don’t feel like proof-hunting – as I will also for this little beauty: quote:
Do any of you see the restraint I often show in the face of slurs,
and the lack of restraint that my restraint has been met with?
Personally, I feel like I should set an example of what I feel is good behavior, whether I’m being met with love & kisses, or death threats. Are you looking for praise because you (allegedly) acted like an adult in the face of those who might not have been acting quite so adult?? It appears to me that you don’t think any of us see *anything* of your truth in these threads, so was that a purely rhetorical question??In closing, I feel exactly the way Ghani does: quote:
I guess I'm just dissapointed at the degree of your insistance to be right. Since I really don't like banging my head against walls, I will stop trying to bring up my point.
….. although I often end up back at the scene of the train wreck, trying *again* to describe what I see and how I feel, even when it’s almost exactly the same train wreck as 6 months ago, or a year ago…..  Stephen, I will always enjoy reading your philosophical writing, even when I don’t agree with it. I encourage you once again to write professionally – it might actually be the solution to untangling some of the barbed wire that appears to be so tightly wound inside you, and seems to drive you mad from time to time. Just a thought: perhaps you could start a blog for exposure, who knows what kind of fascinating people you might meet?? I’m sure there could be more interesting discussions out there for you than excavating the same old ground with (mostly) the same old LL-ers….. This is the crux of the matter: quote:
We all understand your arguement HSC. You are still not listening to ours . . . Why do you feel you have to convince everyone to see things your way? And into your "bigger picture"???
May you someday find peace, HSC..... Hope you find an herb or meds that help you to feel better soon, T <3 <3 <3 IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:01 PM
26Taurus, quote:
youre sick, HSC.
You're a child of God.
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Don't you hear that most of us have been "hearing" you HSC and you call it "ganging up"???
Try listening with your If we were not meant to be still debating our differences, it would have ended by now. And I don't just mean the thread. I mean IT. IP: Logged |
ghanima81
Moderator Posts: 1868
From: MAINE! :)
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 27, 2009 09:02 PM
Nice try, HSC. I know that felt really good for you, but you are quite off base. That was like paraphrasing "Mein Kampf" to say "I am God". (I can see you really like to throw those Holocaust/Hitler comparisons in your defenses for effect). Besides, the fact that you are defending the celebrities, the ones who are in fact the roots of "corrupting the world" makes no sense to me. As for "larger scale consequences", do you think all of the people who are putting themselves out there to the media to push a book, movie or music project are thinking about how thier actions and words will effect those who look up to them, or at least have to see them all the time? Some do. Some make an honest effort to be "role models" or stay out of the spotlight to try and stay pure in an inpure world. But they are no different than the rest of us trying to make our way on this planet. We are just as susceptable to ridicule or insult every time we make a choice that may be "different" or "questionabe" to anyone else, so I am going to agree with cheshirekat here and say they are human and therefore not above being slandered or ridiculed. You do not give people enough credit in that you think they are not intelligent enough to differentiate between fact and fiction, right and wrong. That is a grossly egotistical statement that you have made more than once. It's stereotypical, and putting people in boxes below you where you claim others are putting you. Once again, you are twisting things and looking into it WAY TOO MUCH to "prove" your point. Like T said, people here have told you they see your point. I know I do, but you REFUSE to see ours, so why do we even bother giving you the satisfaction of a debate where we will all eventually get tired of repeating ourselves and you will walk away having "won"? .. because, it's our way. We know you by now, and this is the only way it can end. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:04 PM
BTW I never said thank you for that Zala. Allow me to now:
Thank you.Now I will go shake some of this "sh!t" off. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:06 PM
I'm sorry 26T and Ghani are taking this so personally.I think we are really getting somewhere.  I do need a rest, too, though.  Zala, Ghani, I'll be back later to respond. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I know you didn't have to.
God Bless
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:09 PM
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You're a child of God.
Yes, I am HSC. and Jesus loves me. and only a couple of people think I'm an assshole. Glad you are going to take a breather. IP: Logged |
ghanima81
Moderator Posts: 1868
From: MAINE! :)
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 27, 2009 09:11 PM
Z & T, Just wanted to say I had a lot of the same thoughts, ladies. I'm inspired to more openness and boldness reading your words. Maybe at some point, we can go back to posting some funnies in this thread? That would be nice... IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:11 PM
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Like T said, people here have told you they see your point. I know I do, but you REFUSE to see ours, so why do we even bother giving you the satisfaction of a debate where we will all eventually get tired of repeating ourselves and you will walk away having "won"?.. because, it's our way. We know you by now, and this is the only way it can end
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:11 PM
"It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society."~ J. Krishnamurti IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 8280
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:12 PM
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Z & T,
Sounds like a plumbing firm, or a trucking company 
No, wait!! Art and Jewelry!!
And I insist that you go first, T (alphabetically) -- it's only fair.....~ T&Z Artistes Extraordinaire ~ IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 16164
From: *
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:14 PM
LOL!!!!! Let's do it!!! you girls. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 10534
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 27, 2009 09:18 PM
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Like T said, people here have told you they see your point. I know I do, but you REFUSE to see ours,
You told me you see mine. I told you I see yours. You think I refuse to see. I think you refuse to see. And round and round we go. And where we end, nobody knows.
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so why do we even bother giving you the satisfaction of a debate
Are you asking me? Let me ask you. Why do you?
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where we will all eventually get tired of repeating ourselves and you will walk away having "won"?
Is that how you see it?
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.. because, it's our way. We know you by now, and this is the only way it can end
Then walk away.
Look,
I really need a break.
I'll respond to the rest later. And I hope to see a lot more when I return. This is wonderful. People are communicating.
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