posted March 17, 2009 03:27 PM         

MVM, l didn't get in... lets just say that someone very close to me pretty much runs FreeMasonry and travels worldwide to give speeches etc.

It's possibly one of the most high-powered jobs as fr as respect goes on the planet, l guess.

posted March 17, 2009 04:56 PM         

Also, in the UK, all subordinate lodges are under the jurisdiction of the UGLE. In the US, all state grand lodges are sovereign unto themselves.

posted March 18, 2009 09:56 AM         

Hey Pid good to see you and pray all is well with you and Bear!!

juni

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posted March 18, 2009 03:47 PM         

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Songwriter, what makes you say this?

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What is your opinion on this video, GG?

Is it just some conspiracy theory??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPATWhux7Uo

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9/11

9+11=20$

posted March 19, 2009 11:22 AM         

I want to ask more questions to you.

posted March 19, 2009 02:08 PM         

And lastly, what is your definition of "occult?"

posted March 19, 2009 04:03 PM         

I can tell you withOUT a doubt that Freemasons are not involved with 9/11 although there is the Jewish link l agree.

Yes, l believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.. l did over a year's extensive research on it for the truth. I found my truth on it.

posted March 19, 2009 04:21 PM         

As soon as you answer my questions I will answer yours asap. I have been pretty fair in answering everyone's questions I think.

posted March 19, 2009 04:45 PM         

I asked you those questions because I don't want to assume I know your position. You know my position because I clearly stated it.

posted March 19, 2009 05:28 PM         

1st: Some Freemasons were involved with designing the art on the dollar bill. This is not a secret at all and on the contrary is a widely known fact.

2nd: it really depends on your definition of occult. Astrology can be deemed occult, so can all religions. The Freemasons do not "practice" the occult.

3rd: I do not practice the occult in the way you are trying to convey.

I don't know all the facts behind 9/11 firsthand so I cannot assume anything. But I can tell you this. Freemasons were NOT behind it. Did you know that it is against our rules to speak about religion and politics in lodge? Furthermore, let's just say by some chance there were Masons involved in this conspiracy surrounding 9/11. Just because those individuals were involved does not mean anything. It only means that those individuals were also Masons.

I can assure you that there is no conspiracy in Masonry. We are NOT trying to run the world or "retain power" as you put it. Your accusations frivalous and lack any merit. It truly amazes me that people believe anything if it is presented in a conspiracy context without at all going back to check facts. All our rituals are online for people to read. I challenge you to find one sentence in any of them that tells us we try to rule the world behind closed doors or in the open.

posted March 19, 2009 06:30 PM         

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Now that I know you believe in these idiotic conspiracy theories against the Masons which hold ZERO merit, I will answer your questions.

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And this makes me an idiot?? Do you always approach people like this who dont believe your truth? I dont think this is a considerate approach.

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1st: Some Freemasons were involved with designing the art on the dollar bill. This is not a secret at all and on the contrary is a widely known fact.

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I know it's not a secret. But, you still dont explain me what is behind it? "Me personally, I can't prove nor disprove it so I just leave it at that." This is all you can say about it.

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2nd: it really depends on your definition of occult. Astrology can be deemed occult, so can all religions. The Freemasons do not "practice" the occult.

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There's nothing wrong to hold occult powers if you want to do good deeds. But, as I said before, it can also be used for evil purposes (to create negative energy on masses).

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3rd: I do not practice the occult in the way you are trying to convey.

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Okay, if you say so.

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It truly amazes me that people believe anything if it is presented in a conspiracy context without at all going back to check facts.

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How do you know that I didnt bother to check facts??

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All our rituals are online for people to read. I challenge you to find one sentence in any of them that tells us we try to rule the world behind closed doors or in the open.

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How will I know they are telling me the truth? Do you really believe that a secret society who manipulate humanity, thereby rule the world behind closed doors can talk about their evil plans openly?

posted March 19, 2009 07:05 PM         

When I said "I can't prove nor disprove it so I leave it at that," I was not talking about Masonic involvement. There was no part of the video that refered to the Masons. This is specifically why I didn't want to assume your position and asked you directly what it was.

Why should I have to explain the meanings behind the symbols to you? Just go to a Grand Lodge website or look up the history of the creation of DC.

What facts do you have that we practice the occult????? I'm curious. I've been to many meetings and all we talk about is paying our utility bills and charitable events. Please let me know about this meeting where we practice occult because I would surely like to attend and see what it's all about.

No, I don't practice the occult in the negative sense of the word. I love astrology, that's occult. And if you are incinuating that I DO practice the occult (in the negative sense of the word) in Masonry, please prove it.

You did not check the facts. If you had, you wouldn't have come to the conclusion that it's some grand Masonic conspiracy. In fact, if you had checked the facts, you wouldn't have these negative opinions about Masonry.

And to your last statement. Where and when do we plan these "evil" plans??? Who is involved??? The rituals are there for your reading. If you don't understand them that is not my fault. I still challenge you to find anything in our rituals, by-laws, or constitutions that encourage us to take over the world.

posted March 19, 2009 08:26 PM         

Is freemasonry associated with any religion? I know about the thing with the US bills already

Oh, and incidentally, I've actually known about that 9/11 dollar trick since the week after 9/11...a friend of mine showed me, I was pretty shocked by it all).

So maybe the Freemasons don't allow women in or whatever, but that's not weird at all to me, in all seriousness. Men have always had their own clubs to an extent, and always will. Take away all the boy clubs, and I guarantee you they will find an occasion to congregate LOL. That's why I am just curious about the group, GG.

posted March 19, 2009 08:52 PM         

Anything else I can answer to the best of my knowledge. We are not a religion but our allegories are heavily intertwined with Christianity. We do not worship anyone as we are not a religious organization. In fact, we use the word "deity" when speaking of GOD because we accept men from ALL religions. One of our requirements for admission is that you have a faith in a supreme being.

When we get our degrees, we go through a play. In the play, they instill morality through allegory while illustrating with symbols. Once we get our 3rd degree, we focus on charitable events. It is up to the individual if he wanted to search deeper into the mysteries and symbolism. All info is on the net too.

If the brother wants to further his Masonic Education, he can join both the York and Scottish Rites. In those Rites, the symbolism is a lot deeper, but still, it is up to the brother to dig deep and come to his own understanding.

posted March 19, 2009 09:16 PM         

forgive me but you have been obnoxious from the start and you are just being antagonistic now.

There is no way on earth that Freemasonry is trying to rule the world, l don't care what you say!!!
FACT

So please don't again link Freemasonry with World domination because l will get angry. It is a personal matter for me so please get your facts right before they leave your loose mouth.

Thank you