posted March 24, 2009 07:00 PM            

And my soul, in more danger than my body.

"Better that your whole body should perish,
than your soul be cast into hell."

Something to consider.

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I think we are saying the same things...so no..nothing wrong....

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posted March 24, 2009 07:04 PM            

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"Better that your whole body should perish,
than your soul be cast into hell."

Something to consider.

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posted March 24, 2009 07:09 PM              

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And only you can cast your soul into a hell of your own creation.

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posted March 24, 2009 07:19 PM            

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Like Elie Wiesel cast himself into a concentration camp?

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posted March 24, 2009 07:26 PM            

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I find it interesting sometimes to hear what the souls of those who have crossed over have to say about suffering and purpose. They do seem to have a broader perspective of everything on the other side. It does seem to be like a journey of evolution as self-discovering creator beings.

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posted March 24, 2009 07:32 PM            

It is a matter of kind, not degree.

If bad things happen which are not our choice,
and which can be avoided by a change of venue,
why is it so hard to imagine these laws are just as active
in the realms above as they are in the realms below?

What if this environment is stiffling to my soul's growth,
just as the camp was stiffling to the people kept there?
What if I am a highly sensitive soul who should limit
his time on earth, so as not to be contaminated?

Of course, this is all speculation,
but, I can see no holes in the logic.

posted March 24, 2009 07:50 PM            

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What if this environment is stiffling to my soul's growth,
just as the camp was stiffling to the people kept there?
What if I am a highly sensitive soul who should limit
his time on earth, so as not to be contaminated?

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posted March 24, 2009 08:02 PM            

I see a thousand possibilities.
A geocentric spiritual universe is just one.

I think there must be all sorts of places to incarnate,
and I think my choice may determine my readiness.

In any case,
I'll continue to explore unusual ideas.
If you have only the standard answers,
and won't show evidence to back them up,
there is nothing more to discuss here, is there?

posted March 24, 2009 08:03 PM            

~ Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook

posted March 24, 2009 10:22 PM            

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I've heard all this.
And you won't show evidence.
Understandable, but unfortuneate.

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posted March 24, 2009 10:34 PM            

But, then, I'm not the one claiming to know what's after death.

Maybe, the best I can hope for is a lot of corroborating hearsay,
from sources which I myself deem credible, or relatively credible.
It may be a ton of circumstantial "evidence", rather than a smoking gun.
But, then, most of what I believe is based on circumstantial evidence.
For instance, I have never been to Italy, but I'm satisfied it exists.

posted March 24, 2009 11:42 PM            

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I'm curious how, precisely, can one show "evidence" of other dimensions??

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Me, too.

But, then, I'm not the one claiming to know what's after death.

Maybe, the best I can hope for is a lot of corroborating hearsay,
from sources which I myself deem credible, or relatively credible.
It may be a ton of circumstantial "evidence", rather than a smoking gun.
But, then, most of what I believe is based on circumstantial evidence.
For instance, I have never been to Italy, but I'm satisfied it exists.

I think LEXX claims to have something more substantial.
We may have to wait for her book, though, to find out what.

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Even once published.....there will most likely not be the proof you desire.
I have spoken with people who have died and who then contact me when re-incarnated. It is quite an experience to say the least. Certain key phrases or names or codes are exchanged and a promise to try to remember and relay them to me upon their return....in person, in body.
So far none remember our complete conversations whilst they were not in body.....but the children they are now....remember the keys and relay them. Parents have noted odd things like the child upon meeting us will say things like...I remember you....you said this....or...I told you this....
Most interesting is when they describe things like drinking coffee with us and the room we were in when they were in their previous incarnation. Sometimes they already know our names.
How can I prove to you any of our experiences?
I have been on death watches and have seen the process.
I have had murder victims each tell me where their body was left and what happened...only to find out later that it was 100% true.
It is often not easy to live in two worlds as I do.
And no, I do not go around getting and giving messages from dead people to everyone.
I am not supposed to do that. Most people do not need to make contact in betwixt incarnations. Contact is more often than not, NOT the thing to do. Only in special situations is it right. And before you jump on me for that call...it is not my call as to when it is right. However I am not going to get into that aspect at this time.
When people have died, I have passed on messages to specific people, things I had no prior knowledge of about them. Five days after each passing many claimed to have messages from each. I do not know who they were hearing or imagining, but in my opinion it was not the ones who had died....except in cases of where either the living would not let go, and the dead could not leave until the living let go. That being trapped can get quite messy. Or the dead felt guilty and could not leave. With rarest of exceptions, generally no one is supposed to hang around with the living. It is beyond selfish for the living to expect that.
Unable to move on to the next step...such souls then require intervention.
I am not going to post what those messages were, they are no one's business but the folks they were intended for.
I have worked with a few folks here and passed on vital information from the so called "other" side concerning their passed loved ones.
Again, very private information.
So exactly how do I prove anything without violating the privacy of the living?
Or offending folks who believe in their preconceptions of the after life interval betwixt incarnations?
Please respect the dilemma I face.

posted March 24, 2009 11:52 PM            

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What if this environment is stiffling to my soul's growth,

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posted March 25, 2009 12:05 AM            

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Do you think your soul found it's way here by accident?

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