posted March 29, 2009 03:07 AM         

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HSC, l find you inspiring on LL. I just wanted you to know that and i'll never judge you nor mock you. I think this comment of yours shows great intellect and inward insight.

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I have openned myself up too wide for too long, and all but drowned
in the contradictory voices of the collective unconscious.
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I think it's good that everyone has a conscious desire to have boundaries and some form of limitation with the wrong people. I am too open, honest and kind in real life and i get stabbed and attacked, resented and batted just like you do sometimes I'm learning though that people need to earn my trust in them over large amounts of time.

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You're so beautiful, LARA.

And you're so right.

Thank you SO MUCH.

I am WAY too trusting.

I get messed with,
taken advantage of,
and disappointed
constantly for it.

I'm tired of seeing the good in everyone,
and in everyone's point of view, lol.

posted March 29, 2009 03:11 AM         

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I did not see anyone say that they agreed with my point.

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Was that required?

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They may say that they saw my point, but then they objected,
and seemed to ignore a number of other things I had said.

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That is well within their rights.

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So, its like, they saw part of my point, or one of my points,
and they objected, believing they had seen my entire point.

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If they weren't interested in your point in the first place, why would they put effort into learning your point in its entirety?

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I was not just trying to manipulate T and provoke some action.
I am hurt that you would jump to this conclusion about me,
when you can be so good at withholding your judgment on so many things.

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I don't think it was just T. I think it was everyone who took issue with you. You kept insisting that they engage you in debate when it seems fairly apparent that their hearts just weren't in it.

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What makes you think she was not trying to manipulate and provoke me?

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What makes you think that she was?

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Is it just because I was able to resist being provoked myself?

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You took provocation from just about everything in that thread. (That's why you said you stayed there.)

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Was it because I am just a thousand times better at frustrating her,
because I don't just start yelling, but use my brain instead?

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I can't honestly say that I saw an awesome intellect at work there. I have no doubt that you have one, but I didn't see it proving any point, and evidence of this can be seen in the fact that the message you intended to get out was replaced by just some pettiness.

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And the reason I did not run off to the other thread is simple.
They were assassinating my character, and I stayed largely to defend it.

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You were also trying to assassinate their character, and seemed to take joy in it (and still are).

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Also, I am a trailblazer, so, once I got them talking about it,
my job there, I felt, was done. I'm not going to babysit.

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So then, naturally you left?

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And even if you think I was not making real arguments,
can you see that I at least made consistent attempts to do so?

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You made consistent attempts to get someone to engage you in the area of thought that you want to be engaged.

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While others were sending me short posts that just said,
"you are crazy", or "we heard you", or "go away", and so on?

I'm supposed to just walk away?
When she is saying "b!tch", "pansy", "a$$hole"?

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I know all of these are tough to walk away from, but most of that happened towards the end, which means that most of it happened after there was sufficient evidence that no one was going to really engage you any further regarding your thoughts on celebrity mistreatment.

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Or that I am more guilty
than she is for not walking away,
and allowing it to hook me?

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posted March 29, 2009 03:12 AM         

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I said the guy was a jerk,
so you implied I was a jerk.

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HSC? You implied you were a jerk first!!!! Go look. You said something like; "That's what they tell me anyway" with a - face or something like that.

It's all just so sad HSC. I'm not even going to read the rest.
It's pointless and a waste of time and energy to try and get anything through to you. You do not listen to others. You just twist your words and then theirs to make yourself look better.

It doesnt work here anymore and I just feel bad for you.

posted March 29, 2009 03:13 AM         

I'm not the only one discussing this here.

You are one of the main players in the drama.

You think I can edit you out of this story, lol?

Are you waiting for me to ignore you?

And your beastly behavior?

Don't hold your breath.

If you want me to let it go...

You can start by apologizing for fighting dirty.

By which I mean, crossing lines which I did not cross.

Screaming insults when I disagree with you,
and jumping to slanderous accusations
when I ask if you are okay,
and tell you I do care...

Not cool.

Not fair play.

posted March 29, 2009 03:15 AM         

Let's end it?

Anyone ready?

1...

2...

3....

Walk away.

I'll go first.

posted March 29, 2009 03:16 AM         

i havent read it yet,
but i can see how you ordered it.

I'm glad you took the time
to go through it like that.

Can I respond to you in an email?

posted March 29, 2009 03:19 AM         

you didnt see the irony i was pointing out?

that, no matter how brilliant or clever he is

that doesnt make it alright to be a jerk.

you ignored it,
and took advantage of
my good-natured self-deprication
to throw it back in my face

i'm not twisting words

you just dont understand me

posted March 29, 2009 03:20 AM         

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I know all of these are tough to walk away from, but most of that happened towards the end, which means that most of it happened after there was sufficient evidence that no one was going to really engage you any further regarding your thoughts on celebrity mistreatment.

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Also, I'm sorry to say that I didnt "stay", like he did. I took quite a bit of time off. And almost didnt come back at all, but decided I'd like to respond to a few things and then let the whole thing die down. Which I think it's doing now.

Hooray!

I won't respond back to HSC and maybe this one will die too.

posted March 29, 2009 03:25 AM         

i was defending myself at that point, AG and T.

I fight for all sorts of things.

I have a variety of motivations and values

defending celebs is not
my first priority.

is it so hard to think that,
if that was not my primary motive for staying,
i might still have had a motive that didnt suck?

jesus

posted March 29, 2009 03:26 AM         

May i just say on this thread that the bitching on celebs and other's whom are not here to defend themselves l find really quite creepy. I just read the beginning of "superficial" and it made my skin crawl.

I really don't dig why people get off on trashing others to make themselves look better because all it does is hurt the people who is trasher. The celeb is oblivious and the 'trasher' perpetually reaffirms him/herself as a loser in the eyes of the Universe and will attract more of the same.

No wonder so many people are unable to pay their bills when so much negative sewage exits their verbal orifice 24/7.
It really and truly makes me ashamed to be human that people can't focus on the goodness in others and stop with the jealousy and bitterness that ultimately leads to self-destruction.

posted March 29, 2009 03:26 AM         

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any mature person wouldve stepped out a long time before. like after they made their points and people heard them.
and maybe even started one of their own threads to air out their grievances and pick people's brains about it...

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Thats what you keep saying.

And saying.....

You continue to post on this topic.

How is this any different?

Are you less relentless right now than I was in "your" thread?

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or tell them how they should think and what is funny and what is not.

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SEE???

You are still trying to argue it.

Then you tell me I'm beating a dead horse.

Or that I was 24 hours ago.

posted March 29, 2009 03:29 AM         

Whereas I am not right now.

posted March 29, 2009 03:34 AM         

I'm off to bed now,
before i say something
i know I'll regret.

posted March 29, 2009 03:34 AM         

It's always the negative ones whom ***** too, have you noticed AND they are always struggling in life.

posted March 29, 2009 03:39 AM         

Yes, according to some "spritirually evolved" people, if other's are struggling, they are "bad" and "deserve it".

That one seems pretty negative and simplistic to me.

Glad I dont have it so rough either.

posted March 29, 2009 03:45 AM         

It.
Is.
Hard.

But despite everything, the nice thing is that people will and do understand and try to get it a lot of the time. And those who won't, don't. And no matter how much is said, some don't get it. Which sucks, and is unfortunate. And some just won't agree, which is also equally crappy.
So, I guess I just want to say that I understand how hard it is to let go of all of this.
It reminds me of when I was married, when I started to learn the real meaning of 'Choose your battles well and wisely'. In the long term, how important is this? Is it worth holding on to? What is it bringing out in me, and why?

And Lara...Jeez, woman. To each his/her own.
You know I love you, but none of us, and I mean NONE, are in ANY position to judge ANYTHING completely. We are all guilty as far as I am concerned.
It's so nice to throw platitudes and say something is wrong, and while it is, so what. What the hell. Let's look at our own lives first. None of us are shining examples. None of us should ever pretend to be. We're all up to our elbows in sh!t as far as I am concerned. Drag out the Dali Lama. I can assure you, I can find some crap on him too. Because I can, if I really, really wanted to.
It's wrong to kill puppies, molest children, and wear fur...yeah. We must all try to be tolerant. Yeah, ok, Sure. And yet we're not