posted March 29, 2009 02:51 PM         

Things change often as we get to know each other better.
I have been learning to avoid or tolerate ones I know I do not click with all the time, or rarely.
Please stay!
More good will come of being here than not in the long run!

posted March 29, 2009 09:33 PM         

You have no idea what kinds of numbers have been done on me, really or by whom. Though you can pretend to or think you do.

Yes, T was yelling names at you because you were pushing and poking again like you have done so many times in the past. I reacted exactly how you wanted me to.

Your response to me, questioning whether I was "okay" was sarcastic. You didnt really care if I was okay or not HSC as evident by the way you reacted (jumping up and down saying "I WON" and "IT"S OVER") after and continued to until I showed up again. It was all a game to you HSC> Saying you never felt so vindicated in your life and kept mentioning how you felt you "won" something by making someone upset.

"I do care, you know.
I'm not trying to make you snap."

Was a boldfaced lie. Take a read at what lead up to that HSC. If you cared you wouldve let it go way before that. But no, you wanted to win something and make yourself look better.

You can hang onto the names I called you all you want but try not to ignore too much everything that when on before that - what led up to it - and then the sickening display of victory by you afterwards.

You were trying to make me snap HSC. Take a look at that thread again. How you wouldnt let go, or walk away after you spoke your piece which we all heard loud and clear. Even after another thread was started for you to vent in. You wouldnt walk away and kept trying to trigger me. This is clear to most of us here. This is also not the first time you have done this.

You are viciously manipulative and underhanded and no matter what you want to say or how you want to twist what happened and go on about it, thankfully, most people see through it.

People are your "friends" if the agree with you and stroke your ego. If they do not co-operate, you tell them you are disappointed and kick them to the curb.

Your intenetions in that thread were not nice and you felt you "won" something special by aggrevating someone to no end. This is clear to most of us HSC.

The saddest part to me is that you arent even taking a good hard honest look at what went on and still trying to make it out to be that you are the one who did nothing wrong and everyone should feel sorry for. Because I called you some bad words. What led up to that? What happened after that? It was a quite a wicked and sad display by you.

posted March 29, 2009 09:37 PM         

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The difference in HSC`s emotional outbursts and T`s, or anyone else's, is HSC did it for his own amusement and that's the real shame here.

He didn`t react for the "good" of the celebrity's. He did it for his own egotistical purposes. For a man so well versed in the Masters and Holy Texts, he Knows it is NOT the sign of an enlightened , compassionate or intelligent man.

He got so caught up in his ego trip, he lost all ability to discern friend from foe. Sadly, that is a loss he must suffer until he understands what he did and why he did it.

Forgive him his weakness. He has much to ponder and stars to reach for too. We all struggle in earth school and we are our own best Teachers. May we all see the Wisdom in each interaction and never give up on one another.

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Great points Juni.

After much thought about this whole fiasco, I have come to understand and things quite differently on one hand.

It's a rich learning opportunity for everyone involved and I think it played out with a greater plan in the works.

posted March 29, 2009 09:41 PM         

"you are this and you are that" instead of
"i feel this and l feel that"

lol
This shows that there is no point continuing this discussion seeing as 'people skills' determine success in conversing and when one says YOU ARE it is way less effective than I FEEL.

posted March 29, 2009 09:49 PM         

I was simply trying to convey that when one says YOU ARE LIKE THIS AND YOU ARE LIKE THAT it's no different to screaming at a dog who won't come when you call it!!! In fact, the dog will run further away.

It puts people on the defensive and when that happens they don't here anything anyway, so it's really a waste of time.

There is a phrase that l really don't like but it is very true and it is "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"

posted March 29, 2009 10:05 PM         

I'm only trying to help to diffuse this cul-de-sac of a situation without more provocation - l may not be doing a good job of it though

posted March 30, 2009 02:48 AM         

I still dont understand what you are saying, AG.

Whether or not people are responsive,
and genuinely interested in my points,
if they are still responding,
either with comments on my character,
or on my convictions,
I have a right to keep responding, dont i?
And answering with logic,
whether or not my logic interests them.
Why is it my responsibility to stop talking, lol,
or to stop trying to make my point??
Shouldn't it be up to them to leave
and let it go, if they are not interested?
To ignore me, or go on posting their links if they want to?
Why is it up to me?
Look at it this way ....

How is my attempt to clarify my position
(whether on celebs, on logic, or whatever comes up)
any different from their attempt to clarify their position
(i.e. that I should shut up, lol) ????

The difference is that I have every right
to disagree with them, and to go on,
for as long as I feel like it,
disagreeing and reasoning.

But what right do they have to tell me to shut up?
And to argue for no other reason that to shut me up?
Why does it matter to them if I know they heard me?
If they want to leave or stop responding,
or making insulting remarks about me,
they are 100% free to do just that.

Its not even like I am shouting obsenities,
or angry words in all capital letters.
If they really want no part of me,
they can ignore my posts.

I wanted that argument.
Therefore, I stayed in it.
They claim not to want it.
Why did they stay in it?!?!?!??!
They wanted it, AG
And they are still talking about it.

They keep pushing and pushing,
and trying to convince me to shut up.
I keep pushing and pushing and trying
to convince them that I have a right to speak.

Who is right? Who is wrong?

Do I not have a right to speak??

So I insisted on a debate.
I can insist on anything I want.
So what? Big deal.
You dont have to debate me.
And they didnt, lol.
They just hurled insults.
And told me to shut up.

Thats it, isnt it?

HSC: I don't like that.

Everyone: Shut up.

HSC: This is why I don't like it...

Everyone: You Shoulnt talk.

HSC: Why not.

Everyone: Because we dont like it.

HSC: But I have a right to share my view.

Everyone: We heard you.

HSC: I'm not done sharing it. Its big.

Everyone: Shut up.

HSC: Once upon a time...

Everyone: I cant believe you wont shut up.

HSC: There lived an old man...

Everyone: Why hasnt he shut up yet?

Everyone: I dont know. He is an ashhole

Everyone: Good point. He is an ashhole.

Everyone: Why dont you just leave? Nobody wants you here.

HSC: ..and an old woman, and the old man went to..

Everyone: Dude, nobody cares. Stop posting!!!

HSC: I'm just telling my story, you dont have to listen if you dont want to.

Everyone: Thats such BS. You want attention.

HSC: No, really. I want to tell my story.

Everyone: What a pansy ashhole.

HSC: So the old man got to the store, and...

Everyone: Are you done yet????

HSC: And he walked up to the counter..

Everyone: SHUT UP!!!!! STOP!!!!

Everyone: Why won't he stop?!?

Everyone: I want him to stop and you want him to stop...
We all want him to stop, so, why isnt he stopping???????

HSC: And the lady at the counter said, "Can I help you?"

Everyone: Dude, your story is booooooring. I'm not even reading it.

Everyone: I know, right. What an arrogant jerk. Nobody's listening.

HSC: And the old man said, "Yes, please"

Everyone: B!tch Please!!!!! You pansy ashhole!! SHUT UP!!! GET OUT!!!!!

HSC: Are you okay? I didnt mean to make you nuts.

Everyone: Liar! Manipulator!! OMG you ashhole!!!

HSC: I'm sorry you don't like my story.

Everyone: No you arent!!! You arent sorry!!!!!

HSC: Okay. You're right. I'm not sorry.

Everyone: You are unbelievable.

HSC: Maybe so.

THE END

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What makes you think that she was?

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Trying to manipulate me?
I dont think she was.
I didnt say I thought she was.
You misunderstood me.
I said, I was not.
I suggested that you have no more reason
to think that I was provoking and manipulating,
than you do to think that she was.
I'm not saying she was.
YOU are trying to say what I was doing was worse.
How was what I was doing manipulative
and what she was doing was not???
Please explain your perspective,
if you feel like discussing it still.
I know you arent one to just go on insulting me.
Either you will dialogue with me, or move on.
Why is that so hard for some people to do?
Why do you not feel provoked and manipulated?
Why did others have that reaction to me??

You say I saw something to get provoked by
in every one of their posts....
Yes. I saw ignorance and judgment.
I did not respond like Francis of Assisi.
I do not pretend that I did.
I responded with biting wit,
with irony and sarcasm.
They did the same thing
(to the best of their ability),
but mostly just hurled insults,
and patted each other on the back
for "telling it like it is".

So, my wit hooked T
more than her obscenities
were able to hook me.
That makes me the bad guy?
Because I was being stronger??
You act like she was on the ground,
asking for mercy or something,
and I kept kicking her when she was down.
That is SO not how it happened.
We were both messing with each other,
and she, in my opinion,
was fighting dirty and being mean.
If she showed any real vulnerability, AG,
I would have stopped in a heartbeat.
That is how I am.
When people ask for mercy, I relent.
But when they scream obsenities at me,
I'll fight back, without obscenities.
When I have asked people to stop,
in a way that showed my vulnerability,
I've been called a "quivering puddle".
And they dont stop, they call me a faker,
or a whiner, or someone who wants attention
or sympathy, or they call me weak,
and they tear into me even harder, lol.
So, no wonder she could not show that.
Man, if I think I am hurting someone like that,
I always stop in a heartbeat. Always.
But she wasnt asking for mercy, AG.
She was fighting me just as hard as I was her,
but with a more violent and suspicious tone.
Even so, I showed her some mercy.
This made her furious, lol.
So I went back to fighting, no mercy.
Just trying not to fight as dirty as she was.

This is what happened, as I see it.

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You were also trying to assassinate their character,
and seemed to take joy in it (and still are).

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So we are even, yes?
They are laughing and giving kudos all over the place.
The only difference, if there is one, is that
I have a better game face than they do.
I had fun with it, yes.
They are not my friends, AG.
They are judgemental of me.
And they mess with me constantly.
The dislike is mutual,
and the fight was more than mutual.
No matter how much they may pretend,
even to themselves, that they wanted peace.
They kept taking jabs,
and trying to run away to higher ground
and act like they werent still taking jabs.
It is such bullsh!t, man, dont you see that.
Making it seem like I am the bad guy.
Continuing to bait me with insults,
and then blaming me when I take the bait
(and defend myself against the insults).

It is so ridiculous if you cant see this.

Dont you see???
All you and they are saying amounts to this:
"HSC is wrong because he kept talking
even though we told him to shut up."
I wanted the argument,
and I have no regrets about it.
If they didnt want it,
what were they doing there??

We were baiting each other, AG.
When I took the bait,
they denied baiting me,
and blamed me for biting.
When they took the bait,
it was always meant to be the last word, lol.
And they say its all my fault,
because I did not give them the last word???

If anyone asked me nicely to stop
without throwing in a judgmental assumption
or another flurry of insults....
I would have let it go.
I tried to let it go, but they kept baiting me.
So, okay. I embraced it.
I threw myself into it,
because that was the only way.
And what happened?
I found my inner strength,
and I fought with courage and style,
returning every furious assault
with an insightful turn of phrase.
And they got more and more sloppy.
And OF COURSE they want to blame me for that.

posted March 30, 2009 04:04 AM         

The given process of argumentation that took place in the thread 26taurus posted in nothing more then whining based upon personal preception of the topic; It had about as much a spiritual constructive value as dried up moss.

And that line of argumentation still doesn't seem to die down. Well atleast we are keeping this one in this given thread.

However, if things continue on this road, the mod team might have to consider tightening up "acceptable" content on this given forum. We all obviously don't want it to come to that so do practice self-moderation OK ppl?

posted March 30, 2009 04:09 AM         

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I will be keeping an eye around this place.

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posted March 30, 2009 06:59 AM         

Then, is it okay to say people are playing ringmasters and then say ".....I haven't judged ONCE in this thread."

Is responding to posts for better understanding, an attempt at being a ringmaster? Or an attempt of better understanding? Dare I reply to posts in fear of them being judged as........... anything!

posted March 30, 2009 10:01 AM         

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Is responding to posts for better understanding, an attempt at being a ringmaster? Or an attempt of better understanding? Dare I reply to posts in fear of them being judged as........... anything!

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posted March 30, 2009 10:06 AM         

Dear me - no wonder LL is as it is, it's full of insecurity and paranoia. Where's the LOVE people??

I think i'm gonna just miss out LLC or LL for a while.. l really don't want this seeping into my aura, all this hatred and anger that is brought onto the forum and then the moderator's can't even moderate properly and say "I am not amused" which suggests we are kids in a playground!!