posted March 30, 2009 10:11 AM         

Yeah, I think I need a break too. Everything's gotten out of hand.

Sorry for thinking you were refering to me, because besides write I was the last female to respond and you said "her". Everyone else wouldve thought so too. Most know X is a dude.

posted March 30, 2009 10:18 AM         

Well, I have only been a silent reader, but actually from the outside it does seem so.

But to be fair, I haven`t read everything through properly, so I may have missed the important points.

Yet I can`t help wondering: What`s it all about?

No, please do not answer that. I guess, this is a rhetorical question.
Or if not, it will just stir things up even more, and I don´t want to be the reason for that. Just wanted to share my (fleeting) impression of this thread.

posted March 30, 2009 11:50 AM         

And Dark Dreamer hit the nail right on the head. Given the nature of responses that have been put up by the masses (HSC and all) one can easily mistake the argumentative threads that have been plauging this forum these days as a get togather of Elementary school kids. So a virtual spanking might be in order from time to time .

The proverbial victim can choose between a paddle or a ruler .

Regarding HSC and his threads and responses, I am going to be very blunt on the subject; I rarely see any logic in his given posts... The Vegitarian thread he just put up is a testiment of the contradictory nature of his thought process. How can one condemn something with full rightous force only to admit later on that one indeed isn't strong enough to face the given urge to perform the same act that he/she is ranting against?

So tell me guys, does such a weak display of personal character warrents the time and energy being wasted upon inflamitory replies? I pesonally say no.

And HSC, I do hope you realize that you are walking on very thin ice now.

posted March 30, 2009 11:53 AM         

Koiflower

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Is responding to posts for better understanding, an attempt at being a ringmaster? Or an attempt of better understanding? Dare I reply to posts in fear of them being judged as........... anything!

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I was just posting on a thread about a topic I have opinions on.
Never got to speaking my thoughts since HSC took it as an opportunity to again be rude, personally insult, threaten, and slyly bring up personal matters shared in private...again. (some of which no-one caught/and he kept editing his posts)
So....yeah.....
just replying can make some go nutters and unexpectedly, out of context, insult and attack others.

posted March 30, 2009 11:57 AM         

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just replying can make some go nutters and unexpectedly, out of context, insult and attack others.

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And as such LEXX, you shoudl remind Mr. HSC that personal attacks in a given thread are not to be tolerated in LLC as per the forum T&C and as such he is asking for a one way trip to ban land.

posted March 30, 2009 12:13 PM         

I'm sorry we don't see eye to eye.

As for the Vegetarian stuff:

I am making efforts to live in accordance with my highest visions,
but, just because I can see the truth, doesnt make me less human.

I stumble, and I openly admit to stumbling, and I dont let that stop me,
from speaking the truth and from trying my best to live in accordance with it.

I am not asking anyone to do more, or even as much, as I have done, there.
If you are willing to think about these things, and maybe even consider
eating meat one less night a week, I think that would be wonderful.

My highest moral vision is truly stark and uncompromising, yes,
but I also know how to make allowances for people's weaknesses.

For my own, for yours, and for everybody else's.
Maybe that seems hypocritical or paradoxical to you,
but it makes an awful lot of sense from where I am standing.

Albert Camus once wrote that it is silly for non-Christians
to demand that Christians live according to a higher ethics,
simply because their ethical vision is higher than most.
We are all equally subject to the same higher ethics,
whether or not we preach it, or deny it, or live it, or try to live it.

Schopenhauer was attacked in his day for his lofty teachings on ethics,
and his defense was to say that, a man can teach about a field of knowledge,
without being employed in that field; in other words, that
a professor who teaches archeology does not have to be an archeologist
in order for his work to contribute to the development of archeology.

I think that words are actions, and that,
speaking the truth is next to living the truth.
Hardly anybody is capable of living the truth, but,
that should not prevent the truth from being spoken and heard.

I am well aware of my guilt and complicity in the animal holocaust.
I take full responsibility for that, and my words are a rebuke to myself,
just as they are a rebuke to all of us, caught up in this madness.
I confess, the best I can say is that I am not looking the other way,
and that I am making daily efforts to remove this vice from myself,
and from the world; for, to me, the world and myself are not so different.

I hope that clarifies my postion for you somewhat.

I am making a sincere effort to be mature and rational with you, Xodian,
and I want to thank you for appreciating that and showing me the same respect.

posted March 30, 2009 12:17 PM         

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You should have contacted me LEXX when he started doing that ; Or Randall.

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posted March 30, 2009 12:21 PM         

I don't think your behaviour deems you to be deleted from LL though. Nobody is perfect and l don't see you as being less perfect than myself or anyone else.

posted March 30, 2009 12:24 PM         

And I want to be mature enough with you to make you understand the viewpoints of your surrounding peers.

Regardless of your given stance, an objective example must be given on a proverbial point of view in order for it to have any meaning in the eyes of others. The first thing we University business students are taught from day 1 is that strength of personal character warrents as much in a given business trasaction as numbers, stats, or the like. One cannot make an effective case for one's given POV if one cannot practice completely when he/she preaches. Personal preception is important in the world we live in and hypocracy isn't warrented as moral or ethical. In my opinion one ends up degrading the moral value of a given view point if he/she contradicts it with an action opposite of that stance. If you cannot fully adhere to a vegan life style, you can not go full self-rightous on your posts. Doing so only hurts your own given cause and your personal character.

I personally would have thought that a Scorpio would understand that. Its a good thing you haven't had a chance to cross paths with my fiancee . Truth be told... She would have torn you to shreads; Verbally offcourse Lol! And I do not mean that in a personal way; She is just way more Scorpio then you .

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Huh? I should remind him??????????????
That has been done so many times, by so many people, and HSC just goes on as usual, thread after thread...many truly awful threads are still alive but buried by recent threads. Reminding him that such behaviour is against the T&C has proved nothing....and gives him more fuel to attack even more! Seriously Xodian...do you honestly believe he is the kind of person who listens to such reasoning??????????

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I know it really can be frustrating at times LEXX; Believe me. But as mods we have to stay within the confines of forum protocal. Oh I am so sorry that I haven't been recieving your e-mails. My junk filter is on max. I'll be sure to keep a closer eye on my junk filtered mail from now on.

posted March 30, 2009 12:32 PM         

Thank you for reading
and reflecting on my post.
And thank you for responding.

Using Placidus Houses..
My Sun is in the 9th house

The challenge of this position,
according to some texts I have read,
is to live in accordance with one's
highest spiritual and ethical vision.
The native is granted clear insight here,
and the task is to bring the life into
accordance with that higher insight.

Thank you for reminding me of this.

I will go on to speak the very highest truth,
and allowing it to provoke me into seeing how much
I am or am not living my life in harmony with it.

I don't think any of us are going to stop quoting Jesus or Buddha,
just because we are not living-out that perfectly enlightened p.o.v.,
but it is always a welcome reminder, that we should TRY to be more than words.

Thank you for that.

posted March 30, 2009 12:33 PM         

Edit to add.
Thank you Xodian.

posted March 30, 2009 12:36 PM         

XODIAN - you are a Uni Student? lol
I think it's unecessary really to say that your fiancee would tear HSC to shreds. wtf is the point of saying that?
The problem here is that you all wanna be right and you are all pathetic and WRONG!

posted March 30, 2009 12:41 PM         

I apologize if I personally attacked you.

My comment about your hubby was in complete jest,
and it was an over-reaction on my part because
I felt like I was facing a personal attack from you.

Maybe I am just jealous of the happiness you have found?
I cannot deny that a devoted partner is something I ache for daily.

I did not mean the "funny" comments I made to you, just so you know.
I actually was waiting for you to post a pic of him to prove his existence,
to which I would have replied, "Oh LEXX, that's just a cardboard cut-out.
I can even see the edges of the cardboard. You don't fool me, lol."
This would have been my idea of a little playful mischevousness.

I think you jumped on my thread, hungry for an opportunity to criticize,
and your words struck me as unfair and judgemental assumptions
about my character; in short, a personal attack.

You have also made reference to my personal life many times,
and twisted it to make some sort of character assasination.

I think there is plenty of guilt to go around,
if we are willing to be honest adn objective with ourselves.

I hope this explaination is sufficient for you.

posted March 30, 2009 12:44 PM         

That was never my intention, and I don't see where you got that.

I think it is time to cool your jets on this, okay?

I am trying to make peace with you. Let's leave it there.

posted March 30, 2009 12:49 PM         

I was very antsy last night.

I did not even read her entire post then.

The question you mention was at the end of it.

Then we had a misunderstanding and I thought she was referring
to a question she asked me on one of the other threads I had seeded.

You immediately jumped assumptions and mean-spirited judgments of me.

I hope this explaination is sufficient for you.

I'm not putting any more energy into this.

posted March 30, 2009 12:49 PM         

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XODIAN - you are a Uni Student? lol
I think it's unecessary really to say that your fiancee would tear HSC to shreds. wtf is the point of saying that?
The problem here is that you all wanna be right and you are all pathetic and WRONG!

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Going for my master's degree . Aced my Bachelor with flying colours (i.e. honrs. degree.)

And the reference in question wasn't an attack on him and I made sure it wasn't an attack on him by saying that its nothing personal. A given stance requires strength of character which HSC IMO failed to put out. Any given person who would want to captalize on that weakness would attack that given point with full tenacity and without mercy. Hence I gave the reference of my fiancee.

That given conversation didn't even involve you Lara. It was my reply to HSC. I gave reasons as to why his given response came out the wrong way and ended it all with a given example as to how easily a contradictory point would be torn apart if a person really wanted to defame a given position or a point.

posted March 30, 2009 12:50 PM         

This whole thing is bullsh1t cos everyone is guilty and everyone is criticizing, myself now included.

There is a LOT of immaturity on this forum and a fair deal of people who bring their personal baggage in the form of relating too.

I think that it is not fair though to make HSC the BULL and the rest of you the Matadors! I think your treatment of HSC is shameful to be honest, not that l care what anyone thinks, but l have been on this forum now for 3 yrs and l see it all the time in drips and drabs.

Maybe you should ALL (myself included) start seeing the positive in HSC instead of focuses on the negatives which you blow up out of all proportion. HSC is a man of truth and who are we to ay that is wrong? He has also apologized which l don't see anyone else doing....

posted March 30, 2009 12:51 PM         

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and called me a liar in a round about way.

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After you called me a liar in a very direct way, lol, yes,
I made a couple of jokes, pretending to think you a liar.