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Topic: Friends, Enemies, and Neptune
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 30, 2009 04:52 PM
  
For all you highly Neptunian people...Maybe you can relate to this with me:
Do you have the most ambivalent and ambiguous emotions
about the people in your life, whether seen as friends or enemies?
Can you simultaneously feel deep affection, compassion, and respect for someone,
or for some aspect(s) of them, while still feeling an equally palpable aversion or dislike?
And does it sometimes seem to you that the people who upset you most,
tend to be both your opposites and your twins, in very significant ways?
Does anybody know what I am talking about?
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sunshine_lion
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posted March 30, 2009 04:56 PM
it is called love.
strong feelings can go either way. you know that.IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 30, 2009 04:58 PM
Yes, I can actually relate to this, at least partially.
But why do you think this is a Neptunian trait?
I had always thought these ambivalent feelings were because of the mixture of Pluto and Neptune in my chart.
Or maybe even my Aquarius-Moon.
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darkdreamer
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posted March 30, 2009 05:00 PM
Sunshine,do you think EVERYONE feels that way about loved ones? I have some friends, who don`t feel that way. At least they claim they don`t. They are really "Yes" or "No" people, and not ambiguious at all. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion
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posted March 30, 2009 05:07 PM
dd- to answer your question, for the most part. not friends in passing, nor family members we aren't close to, but the closest ones to us, i think it is normal. when we hurt the most, we do as humans tend to upset our loved ones and bicker wtih them. i think love and hate are both very strong emotions that don't always make "sense" and yes - certain days you can be on either side of the line.i remember my gramma saying her and edith had been best freinds for over 70 years. the pastor asked herone day how did thier frieindship last so long, she said, i guess we forgave each other. i think anyone or anything we LOVE we have the capacity to LOATHE. especially those closest to us. they are the mirrors to our souls. what we see in them that we don't like or that we love is what we love and hate in ourselves. i am not talking about what i consider socail friends, i am talking about the real friends and the bond two souls share. maybe dont make sense. to me it does. i want to add this, hopefully with maturity comes the ability to remember at those times (when we don't LOVE our best friends) how important that person is to you, and how you would never want to hurt them. and how much you appreciate the person that they are. maybe everyone doesn't dd.i can only really speak for myself. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted March 30, 2009 05:17 PM
I get where you`re coming from, and I - partially- agree, but I also have experienced / seen it differently.
People, who love and appreciate another person without the loathing factor.This ambivalence seems to appear in very passionate relationships pretty frequently though. In the example I am thinking of, where both people love and appreciate and support each other without the loathing part, to me it does look more like a very solid and deep friendship than a passionate romance to be honest. But people are different.  IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 30, 2009 06:04 PM
Yes I agree hsc and I'm highly neptunian.Sunshine, for me it's not love .
Love transcends all of these things and just is. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 30, 2009 06:10 PM
I do feel that, but i don't know if it's Neptune alone. But then my moon's in the 12th and Neptune is in my 7th, so to an extend, maybe it is.I love them dearly and sacrifice my entire self for them. Maybe too much so.
Maybe that's where the resentment part comes in, when people don't sacrifice back. I'm not sure. That whole thing about a thin line between love and hate has figured in pretty strongly for me in the past  IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted March 30, 2009 06:48 PM
Yeah, as you (HSC) described it, yes. I didn't really take the time to read the family stuff people were talking about. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 30, 2009 08:32 PM
I read everything in this thread.
I have nothing to say, but I love everybody.
Even the people who think I'm just saying that.
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LEXX
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posted March 30, 2009 08:36 PM
Love and Loathe cannot exist together.
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 30, 2009 08:56 PM
Neptune illogical is.  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 30, 2009 10:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J9rTZJBmw
We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield
We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong
Searchin our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield You're beggin me to go, you're makin me stay
Why do you hurt me so bad?
It would help me to know
Do I stand in your way, or am I the best thing youve had?
Believe me, believe me, I cant tell you why
But I'm trapped by your love, and Im chained to your side We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong
Searchin our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield We're losing control
Will you turn me away or touch me deep inside?
And before this gets old, will it still feel the same?
There's no way this will die
But if we get much closer, I could lose control
And if your heart surrenders, you'll need me to hold We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong
Searchin our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield We are strong, no one can tell us we're wrong
Searchin our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield
Written by: mike chapman & holly knight
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Newflake Posts: 1
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posted March 30, 2009 10:53 PM
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Newflake Posts: 1
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posted March 30, 2009 10:58 PM
"Come as you are, As you were, As I want you to be.
As a friend,
As a friend, As an old enemy."
~ Kurt Cobain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOL5cpwTkes
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 30, 2009 11:05 PM
is it the people we love the most...
who we want to change the most?
I dont mean that we want to change very much about them.
We just want to tweek something small... really badly.
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sunshine_lion
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posted March 31, 2009 08:34 AM
you are right. i thought about this last night and i do have two best freinds that i never ever had loathe type feelings for. that i just love and accept and they give the same. although loathe is a very strong feeling, and can not have that strong of a feeling to someone we are indiffernt to. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 31, 2009 08:36 AM
yes, it's the people we love the most that we wanna change the most Kurt was a dude too! IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion
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posted March 31, 2009 09:40 AM
lexx and lara - before you say love and loathe may not exist together. think about divorce. love - turn to - loathe in some cases.IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted March 31, 2009 09:54 AM
We just have to look at synastry for the answer to this. They say ANY strong connection is important and the more difficult ones can go either way. There are some people who you have a couple nice aspects with and a couple stressful aspects with but if the stressful aspects are TOO stressful you just won't bother much with them I suppose (if the nice aspects aren't strong enough). If the nice aspects are really good and there are a lot of them, in addition to a lot of stressful aspects, it is worth it to try for the higher vibration of the stressful aspects it seems.
So people with strong connections will usually have both... although it is clear that we all wouldn't mind the perfect combination...
I think that with the relationships that don't turn as passionate or to "hate", it is due to a few surface easy aspects that make things simple and relaxed enough that you don't have to deal much with the difficult aspects. I have a guy friend who is a Taurus (big 3 earth) and he and I have been friends since high school. We love each other unconditionally but it isn't that hard because we rarely go deep enough for any real conflict. When things get too weird we kind of gloss over it and let it go and we usually understand more at some point in the future but there isn't a driving impulse to understand RIGHT NOW so there really isn't any conflict.
That being said, I would never marry him or sleep with him. There is no passion and no curiosity, no learning, no experiencing, and no anything really other than acceptance. Which is nice, but would make a boring life. And I do think we would totally get on each others nerves if we lived together. Not in a good way. But we avoid that harsh aspect (whatever it is, never had the burning desire to check our charts together so I always put it off) by just not doing that.
I'm guessing there is not a lot of fire in our synastry, because - there is not a lot of fire in our synastry. 
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Lara
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posted March 31, 2009 10:28 AM
ummm sunshine, where exactly did l disagree though? lolbtw l think where love turns to loathe in divorce it is because it was never true love.
Unconditional love NEVER ever turns to loathe IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted March 31, 2009 10:52 AM
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LEXX
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posted March 31, 2009 10:53 AM
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l think where love turns to loathe in divorce it is because it was never true love.
Unconditional love NEVER ever turns to loathe
 True! quote:
lexx and lara - before you say love and loathe may not exist together. think about divorce. love - turn to - loathe in some cases.
There you have it....what was erringly thought to be true love...TURNED INTO loathe. Again, love and loathe not existing at the same time.------------------
The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves. ~William Penn, Some Fruits of Solitude, 1693
A show of envy is an insult to oneself. ~Yevgeny Alexandrovich Yevtushenko IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted March 31, 2009 10:59 AM
Yeah, I'm so sick of hearing there's a thin line between love and hate. I mean if that's true then love is very dysfunctional....IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 31, 2009 11:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phwOOmFYudU&feature=related
"Grease"
by barry gibb
sung by frankie valli
I solve my problems and I see the light
We gotta plug and think, we gotta feed it right
There ain't no danger we can go too far
We start believing now that we can be who we are Grease is the word They think our love is just a growing pain
Why don't they understand, It's just a crying shame Their lips are lying only real is real
We start to find right now we gotta be what we feel Grease is the word
Grease is the word,
is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time,
is the place is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling We take the pressure and we throw away
Conventionality belongs to yesterday There is a chance that we can make it so far
We start believing now that we can be who we are Grease is the word
Grease is the word,
is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time,
is the place is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling This is the life of illusion
Wrapped up in trouble
laced with confusion
What we doing here? We take the pressure and we throw away
Conventionality belongs to yesterday There is a chance that we can make it so far
We start believing now that we can be who we are Grease is the word
Grease is the word,
is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time,
is the place is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling Grease is the word,
is the word that you heard
It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time,
is the place is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling Grease is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
Is the word
"The wheels of progress are greased
with the blood of revolutionaries." ~ Valus
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