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goatgirl
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posted April 13, 2009 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
Apparently, Amazon.com has decided to strip all GLBT lit of it's sales ranks,
making it unsearchable and thus unsaleable. I learned about this via a friend. I am including some websites for reading about this
topic, and also there is a petition to sign.

http://markprobst.livejournal.com/15293.html
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/in-protest-at-amazons-new-adult-policy

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26taurus
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posted April 13, 2009 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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koiflower
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posted April 13, 2009 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
We NEED to stop gay books from being sold!!! Do you need an exciting sex toy? - we sell those!!
http://www.amazon.com/Adult-Toys-Games-Sexual-Wellness/b?ie=UTF8&node=3777781&keyw ords=dildo

Seriously, this is unbelievably discriminating.

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koiflower
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posted April 13, 2009 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Back again!

I've just been flicking through Amazon lesbian erotica section - I've never done that before, so I'm blushing writing this

I wonder when their discriminating policy comes into effect.

It's amazing that in the 21 century, people who are Gay still have to live on the edge. Just when I want to see adoption rights for gay couples come in, this stupid book company sets a policy like this!!

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Eleanore
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posted April 13, 2009 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Amazon criticized for deranking 'adult' books


Amazon.com recently delisted from its sales ranking system gay and lesbian book titles that it deemed "adult," raising the ire of some who characterize the move as online censorship.

Author Mark R. Probst wrote on his blog Sunday that he noticed the change a few days ago:


On Amazon.com two days ago, mysteriously, the sales rankings disappeared from two newly-released high profile gay romance books: "Transgressions" by Erastes and "False Colors" by Alex Beecroft. Everybody was perplexed. Was it a glitch of some sort? The very next day HUNDREDS of gay and lesbian books simultaneously lost their sales rankings, including my book "The Filly." There was buzz, What's going on? Does Amazon have some sort of campaign to suppress the visibility of gay books?

Probst, the author of a novel with gay characters in the Old West, said he was perplexed by the move and used his status as a publisher to contact Amazon for an explanation. He said he received the following response from an Amazon Advantage service representative:


In consideration of our entire customer base, we exclude "adult" material from appearing in some searches and best seller lists. Since these lists are generated using sales ranks, adult materials must also be excluded from that feature.

Of course, being delisted from the rankings doesn't mean that the book giant has stopped selling the title; it just means that the title won't show up with a public sales ranking or in the best-seller lists--often a factor in how shoppers make their purchases.

An Amazon representative characterized the move as a mistake but declined to elaborate.

"Essentially, there's a glitch in our system and it's being fixed," Amazon spokesperson Patty Smith told CNET News.

Certainly, one could make an argument that deranking titles with "adult" themes would make a reasonable policy for a site that attracts a wide range of the Internet population. But as demonstrated by an online petition that has already attracted more than 4,000 signatures, the policy appears to be biased against books with gay, lesbian, and transgendered characters.

Here's a sampling of books titles that the petition's backers noted are still ranked in the listing system (all notes and descriptions on the titles are supplied by the petition supporters):


• "Playboy: The Complete Centerfolds" by Chronicle Books (pictures of over 600 naked women)
• Rosemary Rogers' "Sweet Savage Love" (explicit heterosexual romance)
• Kathleen Woodiwiss' "The Wolf and the Dove" (explicit heterosexual romance)
• Bertrice Smal's "Skye o'Malley," (which are all explicit heterosexual romances)
• Alan Moore's "Lost Girls" (which is a very explicit sexual graphic novel)

The petition supporters note that the following titles with gay and lesbian themes are no longer ranked on Amazon:


• Radclyffe Hill's classic novel about lesbians in Victorian times, The Well of Loneliness, and which contains not one sentence of sexual description;
• Mark R. Probst's YA novel "The Filly" about a young man in the wild West discovering that he's gay (gay romance, no sex);
• Charlie Cochrane's "Lessons in Love" (gay romance with no sex)
• "The Dictionary of Homophobia: A Global History of Gay & Lesbian Experience," edited by Louis-George Tin (non-fiction, history and social issues)
• "Homophobia: A History" by Bryan Fone (nonfiction, focus on history and the forms prejudice against homosexuality has taken over the years)


The move has raised the ire of heterosexuals, including Kassia Krozser, who wrote an open letter to the online retailer:


Somehow, the brain trust of your company has decided to protect the "entire" Amazon customer base by restricting access to content that someone (who?) decided was offensive. In your zeal to protect me from myself, of course, you managed to leave content that I find singularly repulsive online (really, exploring the human condition is bad, but Mein Kampf is just fine?).

As a heterosexual, happily married adult female, I am deeply offended by this decision. As a customer, I am angered enough to take my business elsewhere, and I'd like a refund on my Kindle since, despite reports that your database sweep was not complete, you have decided to limit my ability to purchase books -- from literary classics like Lady Chatterley's Lover to newesque titles like Tipping The Velvet and Running With Scissors.


It's unclear what--if any--impact this backlash will have on Amazon, but certainly many are troubled (and should be) that the bookseller is apparently trying to make certain books harder to find.

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Okay, I chose to bold the parts that I thought were relevant to my question. Which is ... was this policy aimed specifically at only GLBT books or was it intended for all "adult" material? They're saying it was a glitch that only GLBT were deranked ...

If that is the case, then, meh. Fix the glitch and derank all "adult" books or don't derank any at all. I'm not finding where they have admitted that they purposely targeted GLBT books and I'll wait and see if they do fix whatever glitch they're saying is responsible.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 13, 2009 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, this is interesting because several days ago I was looking through some erotica books on Amazon and some woman had rated some book very low, saying she was disgusted that this came up in her recommended items, and that she was a mother and if her kids saw this BLAH BLAH BLAH. So, I don't know if this has something to do with it. Maybe Amazon is being pressured by uptight people and this is their way of dealing with it and making the site more 'family friendly' or whatever.

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cheshirekat
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posted April 13, 2009 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cheshirekat     Edit/Delete Message
Thats as bad as that NOM commercial I found in my e-mail. How is someone's sexual orientation "hurting" or "defacing" your values.O.o;

I hope they don't banned gay literature, it's like banning freedom of speach plus a customer as a choice to seek gay literature or not..no one is bombarding a customer with gay literature lol.

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Kick It
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posted April 13, 2009 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Back again!

I've just been flicking through Amazon lesbian erotica section - I've never done that before, so I'm blushing writing this


Im back, but not for good. Still browsing.
It was a bit lonely laughing my cute arse off at what you wrote, so just wanted to share.
I thought the entertainment would have gone after I left.

Wheres that strange Sunshine gone? Any more songs or poems for me?

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LEXX
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posted April 13, 2009 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Huh?
I still see them listed as usual.
http://www. amazon.com/s/qid=1239676757/ref=a9_sc_1?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=glbtq%20the%20survival%20guide%20for%20queen%20and%20questioning%20teens

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps &field-keywords=Homosexuality+and+civilization&x=13&y=15

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords= Homosexuality+&x=13&y=21
Edit to add:
Oh, I see, rankings.
I do not give a damn about rankings/ratings.
If it is what I am looking for I really do not care what others say.
I have ranked some best sellers at no stars, or one...
It is just opinion after all.
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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 14, 2009 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LEXX, you read my mind, I swear
I feel the same way. The Amazon ratings are a joke half the time anyway. I never buy anything according to ratings. And for the record, my own book is being sold on there and the ratings are completely unrelated to popularity to anything of the sort.

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pidaua
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posted April 14, 2009 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
It turned out that is was a hoax that was done by a troll - http://consumerist.com/5210378/amazon-gay-book-removal-was-massive-prank-i-did-it-claims-troll


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koiflower
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posted April 14, 2009 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Now I wonder if by clicking onto that link, a troll will enter my computer and create chaos - so warning, if suddenly "koiflower" does anything outrageous on LL, blame it on a troll...!!!

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koiflower
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posted April 14, 2009 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
my own book is being sold on there

MVM - you're an inspiration! I'm hoping to write a book/novel about a lesbian couple

It's on my "One Day" list

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 14, 2009 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Do it, Koi! Something tells me it would be one hell of a read if you wrote it

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