posted May 26, 2009 09:53 PM            

So what's tipping you over to the down & dirty passion side? Where are your Moon and Venus? Asc?

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I think thats where the balance comes in, rather than lack of passion... temporary seperation if only for a few hours and sometimes if required for a few days keeps relationships from suffocating and keep a freshness to it.

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posted May 26, 2009 10:11 PM            

My Moon is exactly on your DSC!

About your Sun-Neptune cnj, Sun rules your 7th and Neptune rules the sign intercepted in your 1st. That looks like you get in touch with a major part of who you are (Neptune) through your partner (Sun). You would need to feel a really close bond with someone to consider him your partner, like he's close to who you truly are in a way that most people don't see about you.

Yes, I'm cautious with all kinds of relationships too, including friendships. Venus in Cap. Your Venus square Saturn probably shows that cautiousness is even more pronounced in your nature. That calm affection of friendship comes easily to me, though.

I don't know if that line you put in bold is from the Bible. I'm a bad, bad Catholic. Might be though. According to my mom, I was talking about God loving us all as early as 2. I blame it on my Sun-Neptune cnj. Maybe you were the same?

I wish I could teach my sister how to fish for other men in the sea! I mentioned before that she has Venus square Neptune. She wants a love that's devoted, giving, and unconditional. But she pours her love into the wrong men, hoping that he'll morph into the right one if she only loves him long enough. She is growing though and seeing how staying set on the wrong guy is preventing her from experiencing the love she wants. She's tired of one-sided self-sacrifice in love.

I think luck/fate is the hand we're dealt and then free will is what we do with that hand. But of course, what we can do with that hand largely depends on what it is in the first place.

posted May 26, 2009 11:16 PM            

Maybe for some people it would work perfectly to be in a relationship that is strictly a friendship or one that holds no passion. If that works for them and makes them happy then who's to complain?

For me, I'm THRILLED to have a best friend that I am crazy about and who is crazy about me. There's plenty of passion, plenty of laughter, plenty of conversation, plenty of romance, plenty of planning, plenty of going out and doing fun things together, plenty of sitting quietly in each other's arms and just enjoying being together.

I really can't imagine ever asking or wanting anything less ever again.

To me - if there's some balance then it works. I don't want just one person crazy about the other. I don't want JUST passion. I don't want JUST friendship. I don't want JUST intellectual and spiritual companionship.

Give me everything wrapped up all in one!! And thank you, Universe, for granting that wish

posted May 27, 2009 04:06 PM            

I could never have a relationship without passion. I have tried, and failed. I also tried to have one on passion alone (and not like I consciously went in and said, Oh ok, give me passion only LOL)....fail.

I think it's also important to be an interesting person, as in, to have passions of one's own to share with another. Let's face it, if you don't think you're an interesting person, then why should the other person think so? If you hate your own life, what makes you think your relationship won't be effected? Or that it's some kind of remedy? I just see the whole thing being interconnected....our lives, the way we live them, probably reflect into the relationship.

I do believe in working through things together, having a shared life and an individual life. The friends I have who've been together for 20 years and are still crazy about each other challenge each other and both continue to grow as human beings. There's also peace and calm too. But sometimes I wonder if people look for relationship as a destination or something...I don't really see them that way. I see them as a thing alive, pulsing and ebbing with energy. There's more to life than 'settling down' and passing the remote control back and forth (Zzzzzz...kill me now if I have to go through that LOL)....

posted May 27, 2009 04:12 PM            

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Let's face it, if you don't think you're an interesting person, then why should the other person think so?

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Why would anybody consider themselves boring?
Isn't living the point of life? How can you be boring if you live?

Or is that not enough?

posted May 27, 2009 06:21 PM            

Funny enough I have no Venus/Moon/Uranus aspects but my sister has this all conjunct in Scorpio.... Can you imagine!!!
Ofcourse being made from the same cloth I do have this same energy that I think is expressed through my Moon in Aquarius 4th house, Libra ascendant.... then my Venus is in Virgo but it squares Neptune, but has a nice sextile to Mercury and trine to Chiron.
My sun is conjunct Pluto too... (pluto influence like you) Plus Mars in Sagittarius....
Funny how you are with a Bull and being a Sag that's the sexual vibration 6/8 Link Linda talks about.... I am in the same astrological boat as you then as my fella is a Pisces.

The key is not being afraid to take risks whilst always remembering your worth and asserting that worth. I have always found it hard to let go of past loves but easy to embrace new ones. It's sentiment that keeps me hanging on but passion that keeps me looking for well em.... passion!

posted May 27, 2009 11:53 PM            

Amen to that.
My ex had a very specific idea of what I was supposed to be as a wife and a mother - and it was BORING. So I was miserable and obviously the relationship went nowhere (except to produce a beautiful child).

My boyfriend and I are always always planning on things to do together. Sure, we spend the occasional weekend day just 'vegging' out because everyone needs that sometimes. BUT - we go to a new place for dinner once or twice a month. We're always out at the movies. We look for things to do like a Renn Faire, the Strawberry Festival, etc. We're going to a baseball game this weekend and neither of us have been to one in decades. We're going to sail to Catalina Island in a couple weeks because we haven't done that before. We're going to go to the Observatory in a couple months to see the new upgrades because it's been closed for 5 years.

It's always looking for new things, doing new things. We ride really do ride our bikes and look for a new place to stop and have a drink or a snack.

It's just fun. It's healthy. It makes things so interesting and full of LIFE.

<3

posted May 28, 2009 04:04 PM            

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The unattainable ever-consuming, eternal love.

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Let's see if we can make that attainable!

You have a really interesting chart. I'm looking at it to see where your sentiment I quoted comes from.

Eternal makes me think Saturn/Cap.**
Ever-consuming - Pluto/Scorpio/8th house.
Unattainable - a blocking aspect like a square or, even more so, an opposition.
Love - Venus/5th house/Moon.

(** Eternal may seem to go better with Neptune/Pisces/12th house. But I'm looking at eternal as meaning a lasting bond between individuals. Neptune, to me, is something beyond time and individuality, while Saturn is the bond that holds individuals throughout time.)

You said you think you've been subconsciously repeating patterns in your parents' relationship. For subconscious, I look to the 12th house. Saturn rules your 12th.

And look at what Saturn's doing in your chart:
--square your Venus
--harmoniously aspecting both parties in your Moon-Chiron opposition.

So Saturn is a strong influence on your love nature: aspects Venus, Moon - ruler of your 5th house, and lives in your 7th house!

These subconscious patterns have been hurting you (making the love you feel/desire unattainable), but I don't think that must be the case. You becoming aware of those patterns allows you to study what inside you makes you cling to them. Notably, Saturn is also your Mercury's dispositor. On the one hand, this could show how your subconscious pervades your conscious mind. But it can also show that you have the ability to make your subconscious patterns conscious.

When you said unattainable, I immediately thought of an opposition. That brought me to your Moon-Chiron opposition which I think is enormously significant. Moon rules your 5th house and is in your 8th house. (Meow! ) Chiron is in your 2nd. The 2nd, among many things, is how we value ourselves. It's the resources we believe we have. So Chiron there shows to me a severe doubt about your own self-worth, particularly in regards to the love that you want. Your Moon/5th house ruler wants an ever-consuming love with another, but your Chiron holds you back from that. When you exist too heavily as Chiron, that love you desire is out of reach.

Chiron has a relationship with Saturn, a trine. This means that the two energies easily flow together. Good and bad! Bad because a Chiron in pain will easily receive Saturn's negativity. Painful subconscious feelings/thoughts that Saturn holds will easily fall into your Chiron, and vice versa. Then Saturn goes and squares your Venus. That's a blast of Saturn energy to Venus, and so long as Saturn and Chiron are hurting, that's going to be a vicious assault of despair on your Venus.

But it doesn't have to go that way. Saturn and Chiron can help one another, not simply reinforce each other's insecurities. Saturn made conscious can discard illusory limitatations, and can gift (trine) Chiron with an awareness of his value. If Chiron realizes his value, he can gift Saturn with confidence. In turn, Saturn will then blast Venus with the determination to live the love she wants. Saturn can be remarkable for clarity and ambition to live authentically.

A healed Chiron will then not tip your energy into the 2nd house, but will allow the merging love the 8th house Moon wants. Instead of turning away from moments that promise union (a rejection that may be subconscious), Chiron will allow the Moon to grab those moments and know her joy.

Then to top it all off, your Venus is the quincunxed planet in a yod. The sextiled bodies are Chiron and Jupiter. Already discussed Chiron. Jupiter is the dispositor of your Venus and is in your 5th house of love.

Jupiter opposes your Mercury. Although opposed, Mercury and Jupiter both harmoniously aspect Chiron. So they're both easily receiving messages from and giving messages to Chiron. A balance of the two could help Chiron. As previously mentioned, Mercury's dispositor is Saturn. This connects Mercury with your subconscious 12th house. Mercury is in the 11th - the house of love received - and so can be seen as a gatekeeper to the love you allow yourself to feel. There will be a rational argument keeping love out. Or at least, an argument that seems rational and logical, but is very much born from your 12th house. Mercury rules your 4th house, connecting the home life with the subconscious. So again, the reasoning process is one based in emotion. If those emotions are loving towards yourself, you will let in love that adores you in the same way. This is how Jupiter can help. It's about optimism, hope, and freedom. Letting down walls that make you and life smaller than you need to be. Since Jupiter is in your 5th, Jupiter wants love. To show it, and to get Mercury to allow it in.

posted May 31, 2009 11:32 PM            

Comprehensive is my middle name. My long @ss posts will attest to that!

There's always more, so I know there are a thousand million more parts to you than I mentioned. And even what I did mention can branch off in so many different ways. But I'm happy if I was able to touch on a piece of you that feels true and might prove helpful.

If you'd like, I can delete that post or move it to another thread. I got so caught up in your chart, and how the fulfillment of it would offer the love you desire, that I didn't even think about whether you would want my analysis posted in a general thread like this.

(And no pressure to respond! Even though I'd love to hear whatever you have to say, this conversation isn't homework. )

Quinnie! -

Pluto cnj Sun and a Sag Mars? I've got your number. (Actually, that astro signature makes me want it.)

The addition of your Venus-Neptune square must provide a beautifully loving nature to go with your passionate one.

posted May 31, 2009 11:40 PM            

Sometimes I take for granted what a fortunate time I live in. Now is a time when most people are trying to get passion and loving friendship to coexist in the same relationship. Even if a perfect balance proves unattainable, I'm glad that's the journey now. Throughout much of history, the two were seen as inherently incompatible. Not only that, but religions preached (some probably still do) that it was spiritually wrong to combine the two. Passionate love, they insisted, should be directed only to God and marriage should be based on calm affection.

So I'm grateful to be living in a time and place where we women, fire sign or no , have the freedom to pursue both, with men who also want to see both sides in his partner.

Tip of the hat to you modern men.

posted June 03, 2009 11:47 AM            

Now that I'm trying to respond to your post, I don't think I can give back what you've so generously given me here!

Sun-Nep conjunction - just reading up on that one. My partner is a quadruple Pisces - he DOES get me in a way nobody ever could...

Pluto and Moon in the 8th - physical expression of love to me can go both ways - it's all about core-shaking experiences and I don't settle for anything less - makes it difficult for the other side

I am usually a ball of guilt and passion.
Saturn? Pluto?

Relating to others is usually difficult, I'm always searching for the hidden meaning behind things they say and do and that makes them anxious.

VERY insecure about my worth, low self-esteem etc. I blame the tight Sun-Neptune conj. and Saturn opp. Asc. for that one.

OK. Enough about me.
This thread is about love after all.
Thank you again, Eve. You are an angel!
You sound so happy and confident in your relationship with the Taurus! I'm happy for you!