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MoonWitch
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posted April 27, 2009 10:19 PM
 
See, from where I sit, it seems to me like more people here in California dislike Octomom because of her irresponsiblity and her disregard for the financial situation she is in. It seems like it's more of a "She couldn't afford the ones she already HAD and she's using our tax dollars to have more and our tax dollars to support them."The tax dollars we could be using to help educate our own kids, fund programs for children, help people that have hit a hard spot but plan on getting back on their feet, etc. The fact that she put the octuplets in so much danger to have them is sort of the distasteful icing on the cake. That's the opinions I get from around here, anyway. I don't know how it's really seen elsewhere in the country. IP: Logged |
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From: The Strand
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posted April 27, 2009 10:26 PM
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But who cares? Really. We're bombarded by TV programs saying Africans are starving and dying of aids, and china is being hit with tsunamis etc. These children can run away and live as bums, they have the chance. Africans just dye. But you know, you probably don't care that much, you probably think it's not your problem, and your doing only good, so why should you, when you're fool proof to reach your ideals etc already? This is how I feel also, and the thing is that Octomom and Africans starving are really seen from the same eye, so why are you talking about one?
Well in reality I don't care what happens to Ange or Octomum because I don't know them and am not affected by them. Likewise with what happens on TV with bad things. As a human being, I say "Oh that's terrible", have a few moments of pangs in the heart or have a few hauntings over the next few days/months/years because of perceived empathy (and maybe give a donation to get it off my chest) but until it involves me personally, I can't say I care. To be honest, I'm more concerned about the damaged road in front my house because it effects me personally. What I have said is selfish, makes me look selfish and is true. Somehow people might deep down agree with me but might not like to admit it. Untill things are personalised, they mean nothing to us. Likewise, Octomum's would really only affect you if you were somehow involved with her or her kids, eg you were a relative, a neighbour, social worker etc. quote:
but of course only for what is relevant may you relate to you point, and yet the criticizers go on about her lips and stuff. Is this what your getting at?
Yes I guess so, somehow I related to the story and it upset me but why I don't know. Going back to human rationale and astrology, maybe it was my Libran Moon that got upset  and thought it was very unfair. It also really shows me the power of media too. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 103
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2009 10:34 PM
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See, from where I sit, it seems to me like more people here in California dislike Octomom because of her irresponsiblity and her disregard for the financial situation she is in. ...The fact that she put the octuplets in so much danger to have them is sort of the distasteful icing on the cake.
Logically, because she's playing a winner takes all strategy that puts other people at risk (her own children, tax payers etc) you would say. People don't like because they find her risky and does not play the "safe" game, she hasn't calculated the odds of things going wrong or appears not to have or is reckless about it. However, again, we can go back to the original argument and say we don't know the risks and there is always a chance that she might end up doing better than Ange (even if it is in terms of logic, verrrrrry small). IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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posted April 27, 2009 10:49 PM
But then by that 'logic' we could say that any bad, reckless and completely selfish behavior is OK because there could be a small chance that the behavior will work itself out in the end.So with that mode of thinking - what is the point in anyone thinking about others? We should all drive drunk, eat until we're 1000 pounds, have 19 children and let someone else pick up the bill. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2009 10:57 PM
Exactly!IP: Logged |
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From: The Strand
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posted April 27, 2009 11:04 PM
I stress again that I do not support Octomum's behaviour Your argument is right Moonwitch, that is the nature of "winner takes all", which extends to many other things apart from Octomum. I suspect every risk taker would have similar thought processes to Octomum, be it cowboy stockbrokers, successful pop stars, even criminals etc. These are people that don't play within the rules of "community morality" (or "logic") but focus on that everything is possible (for them), that little bit of uncertainty. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 103
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 27, 2009 11:07 PM
I hope you are all following what I'm trying say BTW. To think outside of the box is to take a risk on what might be possible, no matter how small that "possible" is. The future is uncertain and we really as humans will never know what will happen regardless of how much information we have as well truly will never know everything.
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Writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 635
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2009 12:23 AM
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But then by that 'logic' we could say that any bad, reckless and completely selfish behavior is OK because there could be a small chance that the behavior will work itself out in the end.So with that mode of thinking - what is the point in anyone thinking about others? We should all drive drunk, eat until we're 1000 pounds, have 19 children and let someone else pick up the bill.
LMAO. IP: Logged |
gabriella
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posted April 28, 2009 01:58 AM
I think people have a big problem with octomom for 1) having that many children when she is on welfare, and also uses welfare money to have plastic surgery to make herself look more like angelina jolie, 2) elected to have 8 embryos implanted inside her for no special reason, when it isnt exactly the safest thing to do for herself or the kids, 3) tried to get free **** with all the publicity and 4) didn't adopt children who really need homes although its kind of a moot point since no adoption agency in their right mind would let her adoptso yeah, big difference between her and angelina jolie who has the funds, doesnt take donations, didnt risk the lives of her children in giving birth and adopts kids who need homes. IP: Logged |
blue moon
Knowflake Posts: 139
From: U.K
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2009 02:36 AM
The British tabloids run stories at infrequent intervals exposing families that have double figure numbers of children and who claim thousands in welfare payments. Similar condemnations can be read in historical documents. The community has always sought to support the vulnerable in society, through church, local authorities, government, whatever system ran at the time. Always, the irresponsible have been castigated for taking advantage of the situation. That may sometimes be an unfair condemnation, sometimes it isn't. Aside from that thought, is Angelina really that popular? IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 103
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 28, 2009 03:29 AM
Yes you are right BM. She might have just loved kids ya know and not even think about any of this stuff that was raised, it's just that others see her as a risk taker and kind of frown up on it. Whether Ange is a popular person on the street, I don't know. Most people I know things she's better than sliced bread, of course, that is not the opinion of humanity. However, she does seem to be in favour with the magazines and media I think. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 103
From: The Strand
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posted April 28, 2009 03:38 AM
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Dervish
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posted May 17, 2009 10:04 PM
Sorry, didn't realize this was an old thread. I'd delete this completely if I could.IP: Logged | |
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