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Aselzion
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posted January 20, 2003 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings again L.Angel

(I have to admit, I have a soft spot in my heart for Angels... )

I love nagging questions.. God knows I have plenty of my own. Often times someone else's naggers will point me to find the answers to my own. So feel free!

May Light be extended upon you...

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taj
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posted January 20, 2003 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taj     Edit/Delete Message
a thought worth pondering:

a Vera Stanley Alder (an occultist-author) quote:

"In the uncovering of Truth, there is never a last word, nor a complete accurate statement about any particle of it, because neither the human language or brain can encompass it. Truth to anyone is only that much of it which he can as yet understand. At a certain stage even an untruth may be taught. For instance, primitive nations had to be given a jealous god of war until they evolved sufficiently to accept a loving god of peace."

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La-Tee-Da
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posted January 21, 2003 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for La-Tee-Da     Edit/Delete Message
Whew!!! look for the answers right under our own noses!!!! Great spiraling and great thoughts to ponder......I think we will eventually come up with an answer!!

Taj!!!! great food for thought!!!

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posted January 21, 2003 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miracle     Edit/Delete Message

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imajre
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posted February 04, 2003 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for imajre     Edit/Delete Message

As the word 'LIES' lies in the word Lexigrams already,I shall delete this from the question of "DO LEXIGRAMS TELL LIES?"
and it leaves
"DO LEXIGRAMS TELL?"
IT EMERGES LEXIGRAMS ARE STORED
AS A LEDGER IS
LEXIGRAMS DO MERGE IMAGES
GO DO A LEXIGRAM
SEE, DO LEXIGRAMS LIE?
IT DOES TELL IT ALL
AS OLD TALES GO
IT IS A GIRLS' REALM
MALES ARE TO READ
GIRLS ARE TO DIG
MALES ARE RELEGATED
A GODESS SEALED IT

I AM
LOTS MORE TO TELL LATER

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Hopeful
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posted February 04, 2003 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
imajre -

"LOTS MORE TO TELL LATER"

Oh yes - those druids are so happy to be whispering in our ears!

Hopeful

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RubyRedRam
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posted August 21, 2003 01:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Better bump this one too.

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Eleanore
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posted September 13, 2003 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
When I come across the word "lie" in a lexigram, without the words "yes" or "no", especially in words like "Lexigram, Bible, Violet, Believe ..." I tend to think that it is because the person/entity/word in question has a dual nature which could, by some, be used to lie or be thought to lie, because of the great power/potential therein contained. I agree with you who say it has to do with intent because our intentions really do play a big role in our lives, and in our growth and understanding.

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posted September 14, 2003 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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RubyRedRam
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posted September 14, 2003 09:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I agree

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~~Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves~~

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fayte.m
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posted October 19, 2007 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Bump
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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001626-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001635.html
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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sculptor
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posted October 21, 2007 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sculptor     Edit/Delete Message
The whole thing makes one pause ..when your name is Kelli.
And no..I don't think I want to change my name.
Interesting fact. I went by a pseudonym for a few years, related to my work.
In fact my user name could be seen as a sort of lie...both in that it isn't my name at all...and that I am actually a sculpture student, and not a sculptor yet.
I think we have to find our truths for ourselves. Lexigrams are a tool to help us in that effort.

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fayte.m
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posted October 21, 2007 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
In fact my user name could be seen as a sort of lie...both in that it isn't my name at all...and that I am actually a sculpture student, and not a sculptor yet.
sculptor
You should say you are a sculptor!
Friends I know who wanted to be published writers kept saying they
wanted to be writers; I told them.....
"you are already a writer,
only not published yet"!
Withing weeks of telling themselves.....
"I am a writer"...
Their manuscripts were accepted by publishers.

BTW....

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
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Pumpkin Peace
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posted January 14, 2008 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pumpkin Peace     Edit/Delete Message
THANK you, Aselzion, taj, and Eleanore, for those enlightening pieces of information. I think you really cleared this topic up... and just the whole lie issue. I was a little disturbed when lexigramming someone's name once, and it contained the words 'he is a liar' without the words 'no', 'not', or 'yes'.. and I thought that just meant the person was a liar.. well, I suppose that just means the person is an exceptionally good liar..hehe. I mean, the person who's name I lexigrammed IS an actor. I guess it all just comes down to the person's Free Will. Which I am eternally thankful for.
I also found quite a few positive things in the person's name . . . some quite interesting ones. . . I haven't finished yet, of course, but I'll keep trying.

Pax et Bonum

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fayte.m
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posted January 14, 2008 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
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I would not put much stock in having the word lie in a name.
It is EXTREMELY COMMON, unlike love which is rare. Hate is oddly common too.

Again the question of negative words has been raised.

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What does it mean if there are more negative words than positive ones in a persons name? Does this mean they are evil or very bad in some way?

No! Such words, especially under 4 letters in length are very common in many names. It all depends on what other words appear to alter things. Also it can mean one hates lies or liars, and not be one themselves.
Linda Goodman's own name...Mary Alice Kemery has such things in it.
I AM A REAL LIAR.
I LIE.
MY KARMIC CRIME, I LIE.
MY KARMA.
I AM LAME.
I CRY.

So do you believe that about her?
One can find good and bad things in anyone's name. Is that why she changed her name? Doubtful, as she had I AM GOOD, AND I AM NO GOOD, in her new name.
So think carefully before assuming the word lie, or any other negative word is about the person. It could reflect them of course, or maybe only what they do not like.
Another example:
A person has MURDER or MURDERED in their name.
Does that mean they will murder or be murdered?
No! Perhaps they scream bloody murder or murder the language. Perhaps they love murder mysteries, or maybe they are a forensics detective or counsel families of murder victims.
Same for words such as RAPE or STEAL.
One could be a rape counselor and the other "gets things for a steal", a "bargain hunter". Or steals bases in baseball.
Too many words change meaning depending on context.
Assume nothing when it comes to words.
Please read this thread for explanation of negative words in names. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001631.html
Example here based on "lie" etcetera.

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fayte.m
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posted January 14, 2008 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Lie does not always mean an untruth.

Lie can be very benign.
Some rethinking of what one thinks of the word
"lie" or "lies" is perhaps in order?
Like the word "present".
PRESENT:
Definitions of present

1. [adj] - (grammar) a verb tense or other construction referring to events or states that exist at the moment

2. [adj] - spatial sense

3. [n] - the period of time that is happening now

4. [n] - something presented as a gift

5. [n] - a verb tense that expresses actions or states at the time of speaking

6. [v] - introduce

7. [v] - hand over formally

8. [v] - formally present a debutante, a representative of a country, etc.

9. [v] - bring forward and present to the mind

Quotes - Example use of the word present
1. his tie was a present from his wife

2. any continuous stretch of time including the moment of speech

3. that is enough for the present

4. he lives in the present with no thought of tomorrow

5. We presented the arguments to him

6. We cannot represent this knowledge to our formal reason

7. This poses an interesting question

8. being or existing in a specified place

9. the murderer is present in this room

10. present at the wedding

11. present at the creation
present Synonyms

pose

submit

lay out

represent

nowadays

present tense
http://www.webdictionary.co.uk/definition.php?query=present


Ambiguity of meanings in many words abound! Do not assume only one meaning.

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fayte.m
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posted January 14, 2008 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Now for more on "LIE".
1. [v] be located or situated somewhere; occupy a certain position.

2. [v] be lying, be prostrate; be in a horizontal position; "The sick man lay in bed all day"; "the books are lying on the shelf".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
4. [v] be and remain in a particular state or condition; "LIE dormant".

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7. [v] assume a reclining position; "LIE down on the bed until you feel better".

8. [v] have a place in relation to something else: "The fate of Bosnia LIES in the hands of the West"; "The responsibility rests with the Allies".

9. [v] assume a resting position, as on a flat surface.
http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/d?s=f&w=lie http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lie

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

lie
16 entries found for lie. The first 10 are listed below.
To select an entry, click on it. For more results, click here.

lie[1,intransitive verb]lie[2,noun]lie[3,verb]lie[4,noun]LieLie[1]big liegive[1,verb]lie bylie detector

Main Entry: lie
Pronunciation: 'lI
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): lay /'lA/; lain /'lAn/; ly·ing /'lI-i[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English licgan; akin to Old High German ligen to lie, Latin lectus bed, Greek lechos
1 a : to be or to stay at rest in a horizontal position : be prostrate : REST, RECLINE <LIE motionless> <LIE asleep> b : to assume a horizontal position -- often used with down c archaic : to reside temporarily : stay for the night : LODGE d : to have sexual intercourse -- used with with e : to remain inactive (as in concealment) <LIE in wait>
2 : to be in a helpless or defenseless state <the town lay at the mercy of the invaders>
3 of an inanimate thing : to be or remain in a flat or horizontal position upon a broad support <books lying on the table>
4 : to have direction : EXTEND <the route lay to the west>
5 a : to occupy a certain relative place or position <hills LIE behind us> b : to have a place in relation to something else <the real reason LIES deeper> c : to have an effect through mere presence, weight, or relative position <remorse lay heavily on him> d : to be sustainable or admissible
6 : to remain at anchor or becalmed
7 a : to have place : EXIST <the choice lay between fighting or surrendering> b : CONSIST, BELONG <the success of the book LIES in its direct style> <responsibility lay with the adults>
8 : REMAIN; especially : to remain unused, unsought, or uncared for
usage see LAY
- li·er /'lI(-&)r/ noun
- LIE low
1 : to LIE prostrate, defeated, or disgraced
2 : to stay in hiding : strive to avoid notice
3 : to bide one's time : remain secretly ready for action

See physician-reviewed articles on LIE on Healthline.
1. Delivery presentations (4 images) (Trust Mark: Doctor-Reviewed)
Delivery presentation describes the way the fetus is positioned.
Example:
The foetus LIES in the traverse position.

Now for "LIES":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_(Commune)

Verb: lie(S) low lI low
Keep a low profile, try to be inconspicuous

To try to avoid detection especially by police
"After we knock off that liquor store we'll have to lay low for a while"
Derived forms: lies low, lying low, lay low

Type of: hide, hide out
love-LIES-bleeding
n : young leaves widely used as leaf vegetables; seeds used as
cereal [syn: velvet flower, tassel flower, Amaranthus
caudatus]

Another Example: Success LIES in hard work.

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posted September 05, 2008 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Please read my previous posts here on this thread concerning the word "LIES" or "LIE".

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Oh yes - those druids are so happy to be whispering in our ears!
I submit, if some entity is whispering in ears, WHY IS IT OR THEY LYING?

Lexigrams are not the liars.

It is the adding of words trying to FORCE A LEXIGRAM TO SAY THINGS NOT ACTUALLY THERE that is the LIES!

A PURE LEXIGRAM, DOES NOT LIE.
But Lexigrams with words and letters NOT from the source name, word, phase, date, and so forth...do lie and are NOT in truth true
LEXIGRAMS.
By that token, only faux Lexigrams lie because folks try to force them to say things not truly there to be found.

For example, on these two pages alone I have found the following words added (some misspelled) to so called Lexigrams:

MANIACAL ABOUT DESTINED OF IS OR EMERGES GODESS JUST IT FULL DEAD WITH TROOT WITH WHAT AND THEM DREAMER COULD THIS THE BE AN

I have seen so called Lexigrams with up to over 40 added not actually found there from the source, words/letters.
At a few sites which charge for Lexigramming services I have seen over 49 added words/letters in their promotional so called Lexigram(s).(which makes them all added words, as the added letters create whole word(s) not actually found within the source)

SO...
DO TRUE LEXIGRAMS LIE?
NO!
BUT FOLKS (or the entities whispering in ears) make faux Lexigrams lie.

A true Lexigram has no added or removed letters, be they vowels or consonants.
If one adds or removes any...the resulting creation is not born of the true letter sequence but something altered and untrue.

Some examples of sequences with letters removed and how the resulting creation would not be born of the total true sequence.

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Some examples:

Name, and or phrase letters are alphabetically sequenced.

The true complete sequence=

1. AAAACCDDEEEFILNNNPRRSSY

the incomplete sequence used=

2. AACDEEFILNPRSY

What a radical difference!
That causes the resulting Lexigram to not be born from the letters in the complete name letter sequence, but is instead created from a line of nonsense or an incomplete spelling instead of the complete name and or phrase sequences.


More examples:

1=TRUE COMPLETE LETTER SEQUENCE
2=INCOMPLETE INVALID LETTER SEQUENCE


1. AEEHHIMNOSTTY
2. AEGHIMNOSTY

1. AAACDDEEHJLLLNNOSW
2. ACDDEEHJLNOSW

As one can see this dropping of letters from the source name, phrase, whatever being Lexigrammed,
can indeed create illogical limits and invalidate the true source one was Lexigramming.

The reason some do this is because they ANAGRAM EACH INDIVIDUAL WORD OR NAME
instead of treating the complete phrase and or names as a sequence of letters which are TRUE TO THE COMPLETE
NAME OR WORDS IN A PHRASE one is Lexigramming.
(Quite often a Anagram generator is also used with them taking "parts" of anagrams and stringing them together)

For example:

SEE ALL THE THINGS BRIGHT AND BEAUTIFUL SHINING

By the invalid Lexigramming sequence used to birth an ANAGRAM BASED style.form of Lexigram,
that phrase would be sequenced thusly:

The INCOMPLETE sequence used in that method=

ABDEEFGHIILLNNRSTUU

The TRUE Lexigramming sequence however would be=

AAABBDEEEEFGGGHHHHIIIIILLLNNNNRSSSTTTTUU

As one can clearly see, it does make a big difference!

Another way to look at it is seeing the phrase with the deleted letters left out.
This is an example of what one would actually be Lexigramming by the incomplete method:

SEE ALL TH ING BRI ND UFU

That style of Lexigramming sequence above does NOT allow enough of the letters
to be used so that it still resembles the original "SOURCE" which=

SEE ALL THE THINGS BRIGHT AND BEAUTIFUL SHINING



More examples of adding words/letters that cause the resulting creation to lie:

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Additionally when one wants a Lexigram to reveal truth, one can get a false reading when letters not from the source are added.
I see such words as happy come up in a Lexigram. Yet the source name only has one letter "P" and no letter "Y".
LOVE is another word I have seen folks sneak in by ADDING the letter "E", but totally ingnoring the fact, that if they add an "E" to aquire LOVE from LOV......then if they have HAT in their name, by token of that added "E"....they are introducing HATE also.

So aside from the "hiding" of added letters, by not setting them off, one is also adding meaning to a Lexigram which is simply not there. That is a false reading, no matter how one attempts to justify it.
"One can try to Force a Lexigram to say whatever one desires it to say, by adding letters not found in the name or original word etcetera, being Lexigrammed. But that negates the validity and truth of it, and it is no longer a true actual Lexigram."


Food for thought.

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