posted July 22, 2003 09:42 PM         

that picture of him as a kid made me shiver. those eyes are... very frightening, and i had all sorts of intuitive feelings looking at it. honestly, even though ive said how i am not a fan of him, if i had very positive feelings when i saw that picture i would have said so. bleah hes just scary to me.

its interesting to think about how he was very homophobic then when a stink was made about it he did a duet or something with elton john... just seems very self serving to me.

posted July 23, 2003 12:24 AM           

If I wanted to get the highest number of posts on a thread here on Lindaland I would start a thread called 'Lexigrams are crap'. If I were to make money from these threads or sell more of my words by doing it then... why not??? (well I wouldn't actually).

He's just out to be heard, not liked...and make money of course, though I still think it wasn't his intention to get so big.

posted July 23, 2003 09:40 AM         

Now, yes, many of his songs are disrespectful of gays...though there IS one (on Slim Shady or something previous, can't recall which song) where he says HE LOVES GAYS. This was way before the big controversy over Eminem playing the Grammys began. No other rappers have ever said anything positive about gays...most seem to be very homophobic...and lest we forget, so are a lot of rock stars (I recall Sebastian Bach in a t-shirt proclaiming "AIDS...kills fags dead")...and lots religious leaders, and lots of politicians, too. And unlike politicians, he didn't bother with double-speak, he laid it on the line.

And...there are politicians trying to deny gays their god(dess)-given rights. I would bet money that one day, we will hear Eminem, or his contemporaries, speak in favor of things like gay rights.

He's an entertainer, some have power, like Bono. And some just entertain. The best thing about them is that if you don't like the message, you can turn it off. And there will always be messages to which you gravitate, and those which repel you.

Ana, again, the lyrics or situation in which Eminem proclaimed a love for gays was well before the event with Elton at the Grammys. Was the performance self-serving? YES! That's what entertainment is all about! But, so what? It was still a lovely and powerful message for Eminem to sing with and hug Elton!

posted July 23, 2003 02:52 PM         

MARSHALL SEES BUSH AS A SHAME.
MARSHALL HATES BUSH.
LAURA BUSH HATES MARSHALL.
MARSHALL SHALL HURT BUSH
HE SEES BUSH AS THE TRUE SET
MARSHALL BEATS BUSH!!

MARSHALL SEES HELL!!
MARSHALL SHALL BE A HEALER.
MARSHALL SEES RAHRAM'S HEART
HE HAS RAHRAM'S HEART.

MARSHALL HEALS ALL, HEARS ALL.
HE SHALL BE THE HEART
HE SHALL BEAT THE HATE
HE SHALL BEAT ALL SET'S HURT.
MARSHALL BEATS HELL.

-StarLover

posted July 23, 2003 09:16 PM         

Someone told me that music comes from the ethers and not from the musician himself.

posted July 23, 2003 09:24 PM         

Juniperb, great job finding that first.

Wasn't John Lennon a Libra?

posted July 23, 2003 11:08 PM         

so what is wrong with me? why do i see ('feel' actually), such negative things? believe me, i am not one for hysterics, but i guess i could be considered a 'psychic' person and there are strong indicators in my chart towards this end, its all in my chart and MOST IMPORTANTLY its been tried tested and tried again... and the recurrent theme has been that i have a certain gift and that the only time my intuition fails me, is when i have naysayed it. so whats up? am i just some sort of maladjusted idiot who wants to feel special, so my mind tricks me into thinking i am some sort of empathetic person who can get to the truth of a matter drawing on these strengths, which are not strengths but illusions? sorry to say, but i dont think so. i still think there is something to why i have had such strong feelings about this person... i just havent figured out why yet. all i feel is the feeling.

for those of you who dont know me very well, let me give you a little of a personality background check. i am most pragmatic at times, especially concerning that which is not easily explained. i am very skeptical of anything 'psychic' or 'new age' etc... although i also have an open mind and am willing to accept new ideas, they just have to be tested first. im not some person who lives in a 12th house world of illusion, which makes my neptunian abilities all the more confusing at times, and sometimes hard to live with. thats my dichotomy.

the fact is though, that knowing AND TRUSTING myself, there has to be something going on here. after reading this thread i actually had a nightmare about him yesterday while i was napping. if you read in astral forum (the dream forum) i dont have nightmares anymore and am quite in control of my dreams, which were quite intense in my younger years. so all of a sudden i have a dream about this person... and it was sufficiently weird and foreboding to make me not forget it the moment i woke up as i usually do now.

so whats up? some context definitely needs to happen in this matter. what are lexis without context? pretty useless, id say. just as an example, the fact that bush appears in this lexi, well im sure there are hundreds of thousands of names that have those letters, and a lot of them would be very average people with no political or social power. but, lets look at this eminem thing. it could be that laura bushs daughters like his music, and she doesnt. maybe the fact of his music being played by the bush daughters in their house started a fight in the family. it could be as simple as that. who knows? i just wish there was some context. same as i wish there were some context within my intuition. perhaps i am just picking up on something of little importance to the world at large, within himself as a person. my intuition doesnt really support that, but who knows? i dont have that context yet. id like to know what im picking up in with him and his picture. those eyes are not innocent, imho. i cant put into words what i feel when i look at them.

i think that i will have to look at his chart soon to get the answers i am seeking. at least thats a language i understand... and have true belief in as a tool.

i do have to disagree with something very strongly.

lyrics DO make a person. words have power! thats why i try to choose my words very judiciously. who among you have not been hurt by words that just stung? words are a very powerful tool that can either illuminate, or badly harm. look at hitlers speeches as opposed to martin luther kings. mere words can move whole generations to a line of thinking that can be either beneficial and healing, or extremely negative and hurtful and cause many people to do horrendous things.

trillian- do you have a concrete reference to this line where he says that he loves gays that i could look at? is it in a song i can find the lyrics to?

again with context, yes many rappers are mysogenistic and homophobic yet i think that we have to look at this eminem person as a person, not a rapper. its obvious his sphere of influence is very worldly, and doesnt just exist in the realm of rap. if that makes sense? heck im not a rap fan and i know more about him than i want to. its great too if he is at least honest about his feelings even if they are negative, but that doesnt mean he is worthy of my respect. i can respect honesty, but i do not respect homophobes and their ilk.

nobodys behaviour is excused simply because 'everyone else in their peer group is doing it'. if i am in jail with a hundred murderers, that doesnt excuse my crime. bad metaphor but im intellectually tired today so forgive me my lack of creativity for a more apt metaphor.

i would like nothing better than if he and or his contemporaries were to use their immense public images for good.

that said... i believe that all entertainers have power, some more than others, but if they use that influence to spread hate and ignorance, the fact that they are a celebrity doesnt negate their responsbility in this life and they would be no better than a hitler. celebrities are the new gods of olympus, for the influence on a society that they possess. it alarms me to see such deification in some respects of celebrities... and the fact of the matter is, they are more important than they should be. they should be looked at *more* critically than common folk, as they have the money and tools to craft their public persona in a light that best benefits them. celebrities are illusionary figures, barring a few who dont need to resort to such tactics and are genuinely worthy of our respect. a lot of people do their art because it is *in* them, and its a gift that they were given, of music, or acting, or writing... but the ones that are in it simply for fame and fortune (wholly selfish reasons) make me take pause... especially if they strike some chord with a lot of people that makes them popular and end up with packs of fans who adore them no matter what they do.

i mean look at michael jackson. hes STILL got people who defend him no matter what, even after all the things have been pretty much proven about him came to light.

i just wish people would take celebrities off a pedestal, and accept that they are humans just like anyone else, and accept that many people arent in the industry to help the world but to fulfill their own needs no matter what cost to the collective psyche of whole generations. if they get enlightenment and humility along the way and use their power for positive change, thats great. i do think we have to be more aware of deception from celebrities, for reasons i have already gone over.

there is such a thing as a false prophet remember.

posted July 23, 2003 11:58 PM           

Ana, interesting food for thought I will reply in more depth when I have the time!!

Until then, I am very, very interested to see what dragon has to say.

posted July 24, 2003 12:30 AM         

The reason you feel such impact from him, is becuase he has power. Power can be for the greater good like Jesus Christ or it can be for the worst like lonely Satan.

Now the thing with you and me is this, I see Eminem in the positive light, and you see Eminem in the negative light. But the thing is, he still has a choice to make! That choice will mean a lot, because it will mean that he'll use his power for the positive or perhaps the negative.

One of us is going to end up eating our words. And I've had a knack for doing that, and so I can be just as wrong. The thing is I have a lot of hope and faith for him. Maybe that's naive and stupid, but I'm not worried, becuase trust me I have a knack for eating my words.

-StarLover

posted July 24, 2003 12:33 AM         

Now let me tell you something about myself. In my chart I have a very tight opposition with Pluto and Mars, Pluto in Scorpio and Mars in Taurus, they're fixed signs and they're in fixed houses, I'm yet to crack the mystery of the most powerful aspect in my chart that also makes T-square to my poor Venus. I don't know why I have it, I wish I didn't, but I do.

Now some astrologers think that this is a very negative aspect, and for that I'm volatile and highly explosive. But I'm not!
Some astrologers will then say, this means a violent death for you, but then I say I don't believe death is the final end for me. Then they say I'm a war fanatic, but then I shun the war in Iraq. Then they say, you're obsessed with sexual intercourse, then I tell them I'm a virgin and of course they laugh at me. Then they tell me I'm a highly jealous person, but I have yet to find this one out, because I have no boyfriend.

You see, the point is I made a choice, I'm still making that choice as I live my life. I'm not perfect, I'll scream really loud and be very mean to my father unfortunately. But I'm not turning into a Darth Vader, I'm trying hard to be a Luke Skywalker.

I just believe that Eminem can make that choice too! BTW, I'm sorry I rambled on and on, I didn't mean to use myself as an example, but I just discovered that Free Will is a very powerful thing. And I don't believe in fortune tellers who think that destiny is fixed in stone. The best fortune tellers provide light and hope, they tell you that choices can be made to change whatever course you're on.

posted July 24, 2003 03:01 AM         

ruby- id love to hear what you have to say, and i am glad i gave you some food for thought! thats something that i treasure, whether it make me unpopular (i often see things differently from most) or not. if i do nothing else in this life, i would love to provoke thought! what else would a librans birthright be? i value your intelligence and eagerly await what you have to say on the matter.

just a note before i continue... much is said of how libras tend to take the position of the underdog simply to argue, and i personally believe that such 'astrology' is written by people that do NOT understand libras, or have personal experiences with libras with severe afflictions to their merc or sun. every position i take is because i truly believe it, not that i just wish to argue, although i will admit i would make a good lawyer or debater. i think the time is soon coming for me to write my libra post in astro forum that ive been hinting about for weeks. thats irrelevant to this thread, so...

starlover- i was in no way pointing a finger at you! im sorry if it came across that way. your lexi does have merit and i was not intending to point a finger at you or have a 'psychic showdown, whos better' kind of thing, when i wrote my post i was thinking about how the world i know views eminem, but i realize now how it might have been misleading. can anyone doubt how words dont have an impact??? lol!!! anyway my bad although yes we would disagree as to mr mathers i didnt mean to suggest that your intuitions were of less value than mine. neither of us is the final arbiter of which of our intuitions are true, the only person with that power is the subject we are discussing. i daresay we wont get verification from him... so, like i said, its hard to interpret people we have no personal knowledge of without context. that works with MY intuition/psychic/whatsis too! thats why im torn, because i have no basis of understanding what my lil feelings are on about. if he was standing right in front of me in the flesh, it would be a lot clearer. in any event, i could be picking up on something that is true within him as a person, but might not reflect at ALL with his public persona, might never be something within his public persona. the lexis might too though, thats the thing. if i was into tarot or had some other sort of tool i could use to hone in on my apprehension, that might help... but i dont. i do though think i could use astrology to that end, although it would help to see his WHOLE chart, as i think that houses are very important in his instance. critically important actually. i wonder if his time of birth might be anywhere... dont most of the states put birth TIME on birth certs? id like to look into that more before i start looking at a chart for him, because its only the actor, without the context of stage. this actor is very much on the 'stage' right now... so to look at his chart without that context would be harmful.

sunmeadow's lexi was very good as was yours and junis. the problem seems to be that the lexis are at cross purposes. who knows, perhaps what he is now will change and one day he will become what you have seen. one can hope! we need strong leaders for our generation and younger who are not afraid to be rebels for the good. seems that the only 'cool' rebellions are ones that discard every positive ideal towards people, antisocial behaviour is far more enticing and compelling than 'rebels for the good'. its funny because its almost playing into the 'establishment's hands. much like how 9/11 did exactly what terrorists wanted it to do, and barely anyone realizes it. americans have lost more freedoms since that happened than in any other time. its hidden under the guise of 'security'. whoa... i better stop THAT tangent right straight there. else im gonna be in trouble and i already have my hands full with this topic.

anyway when i was 15 i got into punk rock, and continued to be part of a counter culture for many years after, and still really am although i look normal on the outside. only remnant of my rebellion is my tattoo on my nape of my neck... even in the punk movement there was a dichotomy, there were the self destructive punks, the anarchist type, and the 'good witch' punks, like myself, who were into things like animal rights and socialism etc. 'political' punks like me wanted to heal the world and the people in it, make things more even and fair for 'normal' non-suit people. i spose the hair and clothes and piercings were just a nice expression of freedom and beauty in uranian ways.

bleah i hate my tangents, even though i spose they could be interesting, if i get distracted for 5 minutes my train of thought gets derailed, and i got private messaged a couple of mins ago, and exactly that happened.

anyway i guess ill just say for now till i get another inspiration... that i just hope that people can be as objective as possible for their own good where celebrities are concerned. i feel that north americans have to really change a lot of their ways about how celebrities are deified in our culture. there are many good celebrities but they are also many many ones that do NOT have their fans best interests or the community at large in their best interests. i just hope that people are aware.

ack my blood sugar has just dropped in the past couple of minutes so id best be off till i get some more energy and can come back to this topic with enough energy to finish. at least i said what was really important, which was that i value starlover.

in closing if anyone wonders why i am making such a stink about eminem when i can choose to not listen to his music and leave it at that, is that i cannot. every day i hear his music through some car outside driving by, at large volume, he is on tv so much on various programs, and his influence has marked a sizable group of people i come into contact with every day. i choose to not listen to his music, but i CANNOT get away from him. anyone who has a passing interest in pop culture or goes outside and interacts in a sub/urban setting will have some contact with what he has contributed to society, so i feel i am well within my rights to contribute here i spose. i changed my mind from a previous post. its a libra thing. ^_^

lets hope his 'changes of mind' are for the common good.

posted July 24, 2003 06:47 AM         

I looked at his photo on this thread for a while. These are the words that flew immediately into my mind when I looked at the photo:

wants love, but doesn't have it; misguided; eyes - flirts with danger; all-knowing; despair; pain; pain in heart; at odds with himself; angry.

He possesses freewill like the rest of us, but in the end the bottom line is what will he do with his power of celebrity? It's his choice.

posted July 24, 2003 08:40 AM         

I agree words ARE important. They have, just like everything else, energy and an enormous power once you let them out! But it is the way we as an individual perceive it. I can happily listen to Eminem without listening to what he has to say. He has the gift of a great rap sound and this he knows of course. Naturally the sound is liked by many.

I am not sure what to think about him. I will however think about this more careful. I wish to let my intuition have a go on this. Somehow this man has 'something'. I usually don't like rap and all that that's why it is important to me to see why I do 'like' Eminems music. I am not saying I have a clear and stated opinion about the man. Maybe I am just a little shallow sometimes. Have enough other stuff in my life going on now which I find more important at this moment. But...I do want to think about this more carefully. I also agree with Ana about the stupid pedastal thing:
"I just wish people would take celebrities off a pedestal, and accept that they are humans just like anyone else, and accept that many people arent in the industry to help the world but to fulfill their own needs no matter what cost to the collective psyche of whole generations"...

Geez, now I started with this I want to say more and more (it is all in my head) but I am having a bit of trouble to let my true opinion out in writing. Darn...why is that always the same with me?!

I also don't see innocence in the child pic. Isn't it possible that we sense the vibes of someone who has hurt a lot and wants to let this out through his music and therefor also says:" I don't give a #$@%"? But is he necessarily evil? Maybe he is the biggest evil to himself if it IS evil we talk about. Wé can choose to not listen. Those are hís words not ours!
But I will end this by saying that when I truly start listening I don't like it at all. I find his words disgusting for my ears. They're kind of nasty and negative, regardless of what he tries to get accross. I remember when he introduced himself to me with his song " my name is" feelings of aversion came over me. So my first thoughts/feelings were:"NO!" I can go on and on but I will first think about it some more....

posted July 24, 2003 09:46 AM         

I don't think anyone here has elevated the stature of Marshall Mathers to saviour, certainly I haven't. I find him interesting and provacative, I like that he is stirring the pot and making people think, as evidenced here. He's a troubled person who has managed to reap great rewards in this life...now, for those who believe in karma and linear time, it might be interpreted that he has earned those rewards through positive past karma...I dunno...

What he does with this life's karma, only time will tell...

I find some celebrities interesting, some of them like John Lennon and Bono give us great gifts, and are deserving of their status. Others are just entertainers. I don't think anyone here has indicated that he or she worships celebrities based on their status.

Positivity and negativity are both a necessary part of life. The Yin and Yang of life. Understanding and acceptance are achieved in many ways...some quite mysterious at first glance.

Hey folks, some great lexis, and certainly some interesting things on which to spiral.

I myself work in the public eye, and on a smaller scale am viewed as something of a celebrity. My work attracts people who believe certain things about me, based on my work. Do I feel responsible for their perceptions? I'm only here to entertain them, after all. They will believe what they want to believe, and if they are disappointed when it's not true, so be it.

posted July 24, 2003 10:23 AM         

When I went back to the lexie to remove Bruce from it; this jumped out at me: RA`S REALM ALTERS/HEALS MARSHALL. Then the word druids stopped whispering to me . I eagerly await RRR & Miracles lexie or anyone,please; I am completely intrigued by this one.

I looked at his pic (after promising mys-Elf not to ) and it certainly gave out messages. The depth of k-nowing in his eyes was startling! Such intensity and purpose for this soul. He`s present on this plane with a cause and depth of purpose. He will not fade or go away. You either will love or hate him. No middle ground here. He has tremendous stamina,willpower,is calculating and will achieve whatever he desires. I see he k-nows the pain ahead and he will meet it head on. He k-nows perhaps not his purpose, but he k-nows the strength of it and will fight for it. He will accomplish his goals; whatever they may be. His potential is unlimited.

This is mys-Elfs intutition/reading of the pic. The reading its self, felt forceful and somewhat unpleasant. I`m assuming it`s because it`s rare ( for me!)to feel such intensity and drive from a photo.

Like RRR, I`m interested to what Dragniel has to say. Star & Ana, your insight is awesome. I know you are both are sensitive in intutiting his drive and potential. However he uses it will be the key.

juniperb

posted July 24, 2003 10:43 AM         

mercy, sorry about all the words! i just have so many thoughts at times... and i couldnt live with myself if i didnt voice em. heh. what is a 'jugenstihls object' btw? i kept meaning to ask you that but got sidetracked. hope i spelled it right. i miss you btw in the starseeds thread. hope you are well!

trill, i respect you a ton. i love your posts! i just wanted to say that my comments werent necessarily directed at people here, when i was making my replies i had the people around me, the view i see of society in mind... which i tried to explain in the last post i did but probably wasnt very clear. eminem does frustrate me to a degree and this thread tapped into it, and gave me a place to discuss my feelings about him, for better or for worse. i highly doubt that if i went to a music forum and talked about my intuitions of who he is, that id be listened to with much respect, lol! thats why i love this place

its pretty much agreed that this person has a huge influence on others, and he can use his 'power' for good or for not. i spose we will see in the coming times. i am tempted to look at a progressed/transit chart for him for 8 november of this year, although i do have an acknowledged weakness in interpreting those kind of charts... who knows though, maybe ive been selling myself short and i could understand them now. i have a feeling my major problem is confidence... anyway if anyone manages to pick up his birth TIME, could you please post it? no sites ive checked have it, but im sure that some paperback bios out there have it, if the journalist is decent. most people online dont bother with birthtime (unless they are astrology focussed) in bios, but often book authors do, why i dont know.

posted July 24, 2003 11:29 AM         

Check my math if you like...

Compound number for Eminem is 24, a number of love, money and creativity....

Compound for Marshall Mathers (I excluded his middle name) is...26, a number of compassion and unselfishness, one who is not always able to help himself...and of course carries the karma of the single number 8.

Hey, ana, I'm just here to have fun and tear it up a bit. I love the folks here and have the deepest respect for all. I might not like or agree with an opinion, but that's life, that's why we're individuals who express ourselves. Ain't no bit thang to disagree!

Juniperb, always a pleasure to read your intuitions. I think you are right on the money. He is, btw, THE most successful rapper ever, according to last month's Rolling Stone. They indicate he is also among the hardest workers in the industry, too.

Hey, I don't like everything about the guy, c'mon, there's a lot not to like. But...there's a lot that's mighty interestin' too!

Peace homies. (huh, did I spell homies correctly??)

posted July 24, 2003 01:22 PM         

When I looked at his picture, I should have been more specific, but I saw a very needful child, who wanted a lot of love, and never recieved it. I saw him as very angry, and his eyes looked very sneaky. But looking at the innocence of the picture gave me a lot of hope.

Look, I don't believe that Marshall Mathers is a kind of saviour, I just thought that right now in his life, he will do something very important, that will attack whatever social issue he sees as a problem. Hence the word "attack," he is not a peace maker, he is no John Lennon, and he's definitly not a Jesus Christ. But he does have that plutonian look in his eye, he is going to help destroy something, perhaps make a lot of people hate his guts, and of course in the end just like Saturn and Pluto will create such a miraculous beginning.

Now I remember, I myself looked at his chart a very long time ago, and I only remember a few things. For one thing he was a Libra who had and afflicted Mars in Aries. Then I saw he had his Moon in Cancer, a very loving sign. But now as I remember, he was born in the 70's which had Pluto in Libra.

Therefore he most likely has his Mars in Aries opposing his Pluto in Libra, giving him atomic power for whatever endeavor he chooses. No wonder I understood where he was coming from! Like a volcano Pluto holds energy in, Mars rules action and wants to let everything out. Therefore these too planets create a massive volcano eruption that wreaks havoc on those that were living near the volcanic eruption in the first place.