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Topic: Eminem!
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 3191
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 05, 2004 09:35 AM
 
I find the man thoroughly obnoxious. Many here have commented on his technical abilities. I admit ignorance on that aspect so I'll take your word for it. My husband's son has a tendency to listen to Eminem. Believe me, you don't truly understand the meaning of the phrase "decline and fall of western civilization" until you've heard a ten year old sing along to Eminiem. No, I do not allow his cds into my house, but the boy's mother listens to Eminem  so there not much we can do. What amuses me is that so many of these kids seem to believe he is a rebel. Certainly he tries to market himself that way but how very far from the truth. On the contrary, he appears to be a remarkably proficient mass media slave. And doing a fine job.  I'm going over and over the "it helps kids to listen to this stuff" theory. I dunno. Thinking back would my wretched teenage years have been better if I wasn't listening to "Fade to Black" and "Am I Evil?" several times a day? Probably. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 6010
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted June 07, 2004 06:24 PM
Actually, My Band isn'this song. It's D12 (the dirty dozen).But, if you take a song like White America, Cleanin' Out My Closet, or Square Dance, you will see my point. But really... is being on a fun song like My Band really that bad? Do all of his songs have to be heavy? I don't see why. IP: Logged |
dafremen
Knowflake Posts: 1120
From:
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted June 11, 2004 10:05 PM
We should choose our idols carefully, in anticipation of our tendencies to emulate them.daf IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 6010
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted June 12, 2004 03:05 PM
I can agree with that for the most part. These kids that idolize him choose to becasue he is one of the only superstars they can identify with. Having a messed up childhood often leads to an eventful and painful life. Today's youth is watching him, his eventful life, and his growth process. He got a bit power crazy in the beginning; toting pistols and pistol whipping a bouncer that he caught kissing his wife. He doesn't do those things anymore. He is mellowing out. He is showing the youth of today, probably with out being aware of it, the human growth process of a small boy who has only known anger and violence in his life (as many children have to live through... no loving cuddly parents to read them stories and kiss them tenderly). He has paid his debts to society, and I believe learned from his mistakes. You can see this evolution in his music. He started with angry songs about raping his mother and killing his wife... now he is making songs about how he detests the bush admin. for their censorship and how much he loves his daughter. If her were such an evil and bad human being, I seriously doubt the courts would see fit to award him full custody of his daughter. The way he rhymes about her (and sometimes sings) brings tears to my eyes. He is a man who has come from a loveless and violent childhood. He's trying to make his way in this crazy world... just like me. He is idolized because of his hardships. He has lived a very difficult life from the time he was born. It's taken him until his 30s to fully mature and stop the violence. We learn the most from hard times in our lives, and I believe Eminem has had much more to learn than probably most of the people on this board. People really become judgemental over others with emotional problems. The'd like to hid them away. This way we don't have to see the uglyness of life. "Don't air your dirty laundry". Well, if you don't air it, how do you get the stink out?! We MUST air our dirty laundry... expose it, learn from it and move on. I believe Marshall Mathers is doing just this. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 6010
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted June 12, 2004 03:19 PM
On a side note... A great many idols can be faulted in some way or another. JFK and his affairs, Clinton and his, Jesus himself disappeared from the bible for 20 years ...who knows what he was doing? ...probably something the church decided to censor because maybe he was doing things less than pure? If you investigate into the life of any human being, you will find ugly things he or she has done. The difference between Eminem and the rest of the "idols" is that he isn't afraid to tell you where he's been and what he's been doing. There is no facade. He tells all, unashamed of who he is. And for those that believe it is this kind of music that adds to the voilence of America today... Rap music is huge all over the world. Japan, Europe, Canada. They all play the same violent video games, watch the same violent movies... listent to the same violent music. None of the countries in Europe have the same issues with violence in their society... neither do Canada or Japan. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 5505
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 30, 2006 09:36 PM
BUMP.Lexigram of Marshall Bruce Mathers StarLover33
had no errors.
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justu&me
Knowflake Posts: 55
From: the corner of my bedroom, sucking my thumb and rocking back and forth
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 03, 2006 09:36 PM
I admire Eminems rapping. i think he is very talented. To me, his talent lies in taking various human emotions and accurately describing them; expanding on them. For example, the song regarding killing his wife "KIM" on The Marshall Mathers LP. I don't believe that was meant literally, but for any feeling person that has been through painful experiences, the song is liberating. For one split second, catching your wife cheating, you may "see red".....normal, rational people get a divorce. Because we know harming people is wrong under any circumstances. But is it wrong to expand on that feeling for a moment, live through it, see it to an end, just to cleanse yourself of it? That, to me, is what some of his songs do.That being said, as parents, we have to mind what our children listen to. Children are very literal creatures....we need to talk with them about poetry, in every form. And self-expression..... ------------------
"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”
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