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Topic: Linda Goodman's Rules For Lexigramming
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SunChild Moderator Posts: 3516 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2006 05:52 AM
I just had a brainwave. Since I have this typed up...I thought it should be posted here for easy access for those who may not have Star Signs yet. I'm sure there are a few newbies who might be interested.*** RULES FOR LEXIGRAMMING -Excerpt: Linda Goodman's Star Signs The rules for Lexigrams are both different from and similar to the game of anagrams. But you must never think Lexigrams are synonymous with anagrams.The latter is a game for light intellectual amusement, the former is a serious spiritual process of decoding. When you are decoding secrets through Lexigrams you first must make a list of all the words contained within the single word--name--or the multiple word phrase you want to penetrate. Remember that you don't need to use all the words in your final Lexigram--only as many of them as you need to make the maing you're seeking clear. After you've made your list of words you tune inot your Higher Self through intuition, using your sixth sense, as you place the words together, on a separate peice of paper, to form short phrases or sentences. Your own instinct will then overshadow you, filling your mind with inspiration, as you place the words on the page in patterns that reveal such astonishing insights you'll sometimes gasp aloud in the sheer delight of discovery. Let's say you lexigram a person's name, and it contains the word 'liar' or the phrase 'he lies or she lies'. Or any other such negative words, such as theif or steal. Any word indicating negative action or an extrememly negative trait. When the negative word appears in a name Lexigram, and the letters N and O or N and O and T (Which can be used to cancel the ngative, forming, for example 'he is not a liar'- or 'she does not lie') do not appear in the Lexigram, hen that person has a problem and needs to change his or her name to cancel the negative word or phrase, also changing to a more favorable numerological vibration, and also needs to be aware of the necessity of brining this personal character flaw under control. However, when a nageive word appear and the letters N and O or N and O and T appear, as the words 'no' or 'not' to cancel the negative while the letters forming YES don ot appear, it mean that the perosn (or word) being lexigrammed will have been accused of whatever the negative word implies, but is not guilty. The person (or word) is guilty only when the word YES appears in the Lexigram wihtouth the canecl power of the words NO or NOT. I realize that this sounds complicated, but if ou read it over several times, you'll understand it, because it's inherently logical. This rule is necessary when lexigramming so that you wont accuse a person (or word or title) of something he or she or it is not guilty of doing or being. He are the remaining rules for calculating Lexigrams. If they aren't observed, you wont learn anything of consequence or dependability. 1. Each letter of each word in your Lexigram must be contained within the original word, name or phrase you are lexigramming. You can use each letter in the original more than once forming each separate word of your Lexigram, but not in the same word. For example, you can't produce the word 'wishes' as a Lexigram if your original word, name or phrase ontains only one letter 's'. But if the original contains two of the same letter, you may. Example: The word 'moonlight' contains two 'O's', therefore so you may use two o's in any single word in your Lexigram. 2. The word, name or phrase you are lexigramming may not contain more that four of the five vowels (a-e-i-o-u). It's best if the original contains only three or fewer vowels. Remember that four vowels are not ideal, but they are permissable. All five voewls are not. If the original word, name or phrase contains five vowels, it does not want to be lexigrammed, and is too complex to allow yout o learn anything from it. 3. The orignal word, name or phrase may not contain more than fifteen and separate letters of the alphabet, although it's permissable for the orignal to contain a particular letter two or more times,such as 'moonlight sonata', and, in such a phrase, the extra 'O's' don't count, under the rule of 'not more than fifteen separate and different letters of the alphabet". Example: The original word 'moonlight' contains two vowesl and only eight letters. It actually contains nine letters, but that second 'o' doesn't count. Only the first one. 4. The reason for Rules 2 and 3 is that, if an original word, name or phrase contains five vowels and more than fifteen separate and different letters of the alphabet you could almost form just about every word in the dictionary, and your Lexigram won't reveal anything personal or reliable. 5. Make all the words you can from the original word, name or phrase. Then study them. Look at them. Use your intuition and instinct to then form the words into short sentences. Complete your final Lexigram in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, as demonstrated in the expmples later on. If necessary, you may add in lower case, and 'a' or a 'the' or a 'but'- in parenthesis--to bring more meaning into a sentace, but this should be done sparingly, and only if necesary to comprehend the full meaning of a senetence in a Lexigram. Test your sensitivity, esoteric ability, your sixth sense and your talent for word-spiralling! --Linda Goodman's Star Signs, Lexigram Chapter!
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posted January 20, 2006 07:52 PM
Lexigramming was around long before Linda brought it to public attention. Her way is not the only way. I am sure she would want folks to explore other ways and to not simply and blindly take her ways/rules, as the last word on the issue. She made some serious errors on some of her Lexigrams, breaking her own rules. I have been doing them long before Linda wrote about them. I was not even aware of her interest in them until I got internet and came here to LL in March 2005! For more of my takes on it all: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000911-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001339.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001631.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001635.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001626.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001626-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001615.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001613.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001566.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001339-2.html Some more Lexigram issues..... quote from another thread... quote: Can you LEXI 2 people's names together? Maybe to find out what a relationship is all about,or a message from someone whom is passed?
OF course you can! Use the letters you have. Do not add or delete any letters. You have them..use them...you do not..then do not add any! Never merely mix the two names together!1.You only count the words that can be only created by the two names together; not the words that each has only as individuals. 2.Do each name separately and find the words you two have in common and only as individuals. 3. About Lexigramming two names. One does not simply Lexigram them together/blended. That reveals little to nothing because the words UNIQUE TO EACH INDIVIDUAL are not to be used. And the words they have in common count but ONLY IN A COMPATIBILITY BETWIXT THE TWO PEOPLE. The words that matter when Lexigramming the FULL NAMES of TWO PEOPLE, ARE THE WORDS THAT CAN ONLY BE FOUND BY USING BOTH NAMES, AND CANNOT BE FOUND WITHIN EITHER PERSONS NAME ALONE. I am not yelling, simply clarifying. What you are asking for is a COMPATIBILITY and or a RELATIONSHIP LEXIGRAM. 4. Letter limits..vowels...I ignore that. As you can see by my Spiral Chain Game examples, it is not necessary to remove letters/vowels. You will NOT get most every word as some claim! The mere absence of letters at times, like an "R" or an "N", made it hard to create Lexigrams even from a long phrase fully dissected! 5. Punctuation is the only thing one should add. (see:"Eats Shoots and Leaves"). Also I think LG would have understood that a change in rules and NEW better ways found in her/the future should be considered not the person told that the one way is FOREVER THE ONLY ....OR EVEN THE BEST WAY! ANY NAME OF ANY LENGTH AND AS MANY VOWELS AND LETTERS.... CAN BE LEXIGRAMMED! NO PROBLEM! THERE IS.. NO SUCH THING AS A NAME THAT "DOES NOT WANT LEXIGRAMMED!"
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SunChild Moderator Posts: 3516 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2006 02:59 PM
I agree with fayte, explore, learn and use what you feel comfortable with. Don't just rely on the one peice of information. That's exactly what Linda would have wanted. Each of us puts our own character in a Lexi...and it's great that each of us can contribute something different. IP: Logged |
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posted January 22, 2006 11:33 AM
SunChild thanks I've been wanting to draft the chapter from Star Signs but have been worried about copyright issues. This is cool though. Lexigrams how Linda Goodman sees it.IP: Logged |
secretseeker unregistered
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posted March 11, 2006 06:44 AM
Thanks for that info Sunchild. I was trying to do a lexigram of my name before reading that chapter in "Star Signs".Thought I could get "A NEW DAWN WILL WIN" out of my name DAWN O'NEIL. Was so excited about that too. Is it ok to use your own name in a lexigram? I wonder. Back to the drawing board. The thing is too, I used to spell O'NEIL with two L's but as it was adding up to 4 I took one of the L's and gave it to my friend who was an 8 (she spelt her name Michele with one L) My life has definately improved since then. Totally off the subject of lexigrams as this has now got me thinking about numerology. Can anyone tell me if in my house number 37b should I add the 'b' into the number or should it just be 37? I've only just realised I am a 37 who has just recently moved into a 37 house, unless I have to add the 2 for a b which would make it an 11=2. I really need to get on with reading star signs! So I can start to make sense of everything. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 23806 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 12, 2006 07:43 AM
Not sure about the b.------------------ "There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
Eleanore Knowflake Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 13, 2006 10:51 PM
For street addresses I mainly just go with the numbers. Like "123 Honey Lane" would just be a 6, ie, 1+2+3. If there is an apartment number like "123 Honey Lane, Apt 10b", I consider the street address number (123) to be like the Primary number of your home and the apartment number (10b) to be like the Secondary number. In that case, I would count the "b" as part of the calculation, so 10b would be 3 ... 1+0+2(b)=3. Sometimes I'll add the whole thing up just for fun, but if there is any influence that way I'm sure it's not as strong as just the street number or just the apartment number. In this case, the (imo) really minor total influence of the personal address "123 Honey Lane, Apt. 10b" would be: 1+2+3= 6 5+7+5+5+1= 23; 2+3= 5 (honey) 3+1+5+5= 14; 1+4= 5 (lane) 1+0+2= 3 (10b) 6+5+5+3 = 19 Thus, 19 and 1.I guess you could get nutty and do your whole address if you really wanted to just for kicks but the bigger you make it, the less personal it gets. But that's just my opinion. Anyhoo, that's just my take on the matter.
I'm fairly certain that in Star Signs Linda says the numerology of your home is just the numbers of your street address, ie, the 123 of "123 Honey Lane". Gotta' love Linda. Ok, enough rambling. Off to bed!
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posted March 14, 2006 06:09 AM
Thanks Eleanor. I like Linda's way too. I'm sure she knew best!Anyhow I like the double 37 influence with my name and house number. IP: Logged |
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posted September 10, 2007 09:48 PM
Bumping this in light of all the new people to this site ------------------ Sendin' love your way, "your friend in spirit" IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2007 08:15 PM
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Alia Knowflake Posts: 512 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2007 02:24 AM
Fayte, what do you think about the 5 vowels rule?would u still lexi a phrase if it contained all of the 5 vowels? IP: Logged |
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posted September 15, 2007 02:50 PM
quote: Fayte, what do you think about the 5 vowels rule?would u still lexi a phrase if it contained all of the 5 vowels?
If you read my posts you would know the answer to that question! ALWAYS! I never drop or add any letters, vowels or consonants!If one drops anything, it is no longer the name, or phrase being Lexigrammed but instead a butchered version which could lead to an incomplete or inaccurate Lexigram, with meaning altered or lost. That rule makes ABSOLUTELY No sense to me. I have explained the reasons many times here, and can and have backed up with proof. Thanks for asking! ------------------ "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!" ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ ~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~ Everything changes. Fear not the changes. "My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!" }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 15, 2007 02:57 PM
Do this if you add letters please! For example you add an "S" you do not have....... THI(s) or an "O" T(o), Or any letters not found within your "source". Add all you want if that is your way but Please do not "HIDE" your added letters. Sadly I have also seen even the many so called "word masters/smiths/professionals" out on the web making many errors or hiding their errors! Shame on them! If letters that are not found within the "source" word, name, date, etcetera; are added to a Lexigram, or letters deleted which are found within the "source"... The resulting creation becomes a Lexigram "based" reading; NOT a true Lexigram or a Taking or finding Anagrams and stringing them together is a form of simple Lexigramming, only in that All Anagrams are also Lexigrams. However All Lexigrams are NOT Anagrams. True Lexigramming does not use Anagramming as their base. ------------------ "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!" ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ ~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~ Everything changes. Fear not the changes. "My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!" }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 19, 2007 08:01 PM
we must allow the word druids some magic, we must allow God and the Universe to guide us.. and, in comes, the letters that slip in by accident, are they an accident, or is the spiraling bringing you closer to God.. Each must find his/her own way, but please don't ignore the LOve and Magic, lexi's should be done by yourSelf, not by someone else, it's your spiraling that brings the Magic.. Technology is taking away from LOve and Magic.. word druids, I LOve U LOve to ALL. ... P.S. Fayte, you really need to stop putting Linda down, it's all over this site, and I am a little tired of it! You would not be here, none of us would be, if it were not for Linda Goodman... . IP: Logged |
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posted October 07, 2007 04:14 PM
I am not putting Linda down. But she did make many errors and assumptions about Lexigramming. Why would talking about that be putting her down? Are all new ways or old ways(mine predate hers, I just did not write a book yet) invalid just because Linda said so? I can prove my method works.So no one is allowed to do them any other way than Linda's? She said it only works in English. That is untrue. And is a very biased and Anglocentric way of thinking. Many of her Lexigrams contain errors. That is not a lie. IN HER STAR NOTES SHE EVEN ADMITTED THAT SHE MADE ERRORS. Too bad this was not made clear in Star Signs. The vowel/consonant restrictions I have personally never encountered. And I can prove it. I have seen one too many persons become disappointed in Lexigramming, possibly to never look into them again because by Linda's rules.. their name is not Lexigrammable. That is cruel to say and totally untrue. I have made my points before and do not want to argue with you. Feel free to do them LG's way. But I will never tell anyone to dump letters or add ones not there, nor tell them their name is not suitable to be or able to be Lexigrammed. To put it this way...I am here for those who by LG's rules lose out. That is not fair to make arbitrary rules that are not true just to exclude some folks and methods. You already know my take on Lexigramming so please stop trying to fight with me about it. You don't like it..then just do them however you wish. Just because I offer valid options that I can prove...does not mean I am attacking Linda. I have said nothing untrue about her or her methods. ------------------ "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!" ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ ~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~ Everything changes. Fear not the changes. "My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!" }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
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posted October 07, 2007 04:40 PM
No matter what method you use; If you do or do not believe in word druids.... The following still applies. THE REAL MAGIC OF THE SPIRALING BEGINS ONCE YOU ACQUIRE ALL THE WORDS YOU ARE ABLE TO ACQUIRE, BY ANY MEANS YOU WISH! If you believe in word druids let them help you see the words you should use. The relevant words will rise up and the non useful words should recede unnoticed. Linda herself said; "find ALL the words".Reposting a previous post here: quote: I would definately skip the online generator, this does not allow you to follow your spiritual intuitiveness. [Spiraling is a very important process]
I agree and disagree here! 1. The acquiring of the words you need to create a meaningful Lexigram, is NOT a spiritual process! It is a logical process! You can get them from your own vocabulary, which will not get you ALL the words from the name(s), as Linda Goodman even said to do. No one's personal vocabulary is that inclusive nor extensive. Use dictionaries, use thesari, use generators! To be able to create a Lexigram one should get All the words BEFORE beginning their spiraling! THE REAL MAGIC OF THE SPIRALING BEGINS ONCE YOU ACQUIRE ALL THE WORDS YOU ARE ABLE TO ACQUIRE, BY ANY MEANS YOU WISH! Then meditate on the list before you and let the words you will use, rise up to catch your eye and intuition. Some words will fade some words will call out to you in a way to be used in the creating of the Lexigram. FREE OF THE CUMBERSOME EFFORT AND TIME TO COME UP WITH WORDS; YOU ARE THEN SET FREE TO SPIRAL AS YOU ARE SO INCLINED! More folks would Lexigram if they only had to meditate on the words and let the Lexigram then write itself in a way. I hope that made sense. As far as the "No more than 15 letters of the alphabet, and no more than 3 or 4 vowels." THAT IS A TOTALLY UNNECESSARY RESTRICTION! you have the letters? Use them! You do not have certain ones? Then do not add them! It is that simple! Linda would be 82 years old if still living. A person of her generation was not computer savvy nor had access to such a thing as is common now. I am convinced that if she had grown up in a computerized environment she would think nothing of using a computer or a generator to acquire the words to create a Lexigram. She would see I feel, that the magic begins once one acquired the words. Few do math in their heads or on paper these days! Calculators and computers allow us to move beyond the mundane tedious efforts of acquiring the basics and allows us to go forward with things more in depth. What if astronomers and scientists and doctors etcetera; still did everything by hand? Free of having to make your own clothes, let alone spin thread and grow your own food etcetera, merely to survive; You are free to do other things! Same for Lexigramming! Acquire your words any way you wish! The magic begins after you get your words! ------------------ "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!" ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ ~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~ Everything changes. Fear not the changes. "My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!" }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
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posted November 22, 2008 02:12 PM
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 22, 2008 11:37 PM
Thanks Lotus! quote: Originally posted by Petron: maybe you could take the time to type out the rules from your source fayte? i'd be interested to know what they are...and where they come from.....
I was lexigramming (and error free) long before Linda and longer than she did by many years. See my Lexigramming Biography please http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002044.html ------------------ Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.IP: Logged |
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posted January 12, 2009 08:28 PM
Interesting thread with lots of good information. EDIT: Well at least its interesting to me. I really enjoy FaytM's discussions.
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LEXX Knowflake Posts: 9742 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 12, 2009 08:39 PM
To aquire words found within your name/date, etc. http://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html I have been Lexigramming for over 53 years to date; over 1/2 a century to date. My Lexigramming Biography http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002044.html
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C1ND3R Knowflake Posts: 1490 From: Dorsia Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 21, 2012 07:45 PM
Use this link to find words in name or word etc. http://www.wordswithfriendscheat.net/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 23806 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 07, 2012 11:28 AM
Thanks, SC!------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 23806 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 11, 2012 09:44 AM
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