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fayte.m
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posted August 22, 2006 10:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Earth heart?
Earth gold?
Earth heart gold?
Earth heart gold mystery?


Calligram/Lexigram/Graphic

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For my part fayte I can only tell you a little of what Linda wrote about in Star Signs...
EARTH and HEART are twin word druids - taking the last letter of earth H and putting it in front of the letters you get Heart
Also both contain the word EAR - when Linda drew two opposite ears and then joined them together she recognised the shape of the heart
Through spiralling these she then looked at word druids belonging to the same 'family' and got this list
AURAL related to what the dictionary calls the 'ear-sense of hearing'
AURICLE the external part of an ear - and an atrium of the heart
AURUM the geologist's Latin-based word for 'gold'
AURA the human aura - the same word is also a medical term for 'a warning sensation that precedes a seizure, such as a heart attack'
AURIC derived from 'gold'
She surmised then that "...there is a musical chord linking the Earth, the human Heart, the human Ear...and Gold..."
Linda musing on the qualities of Gold - "Gold is the only metal that cannot be destroyed or turned into something else...soft enough to be malleable, allowing itself to be pounded or pressed into various shapes 'without breaking'...Gold is 'immortal'; it never dies and cannot be killed..."
Linda then notes that if the L for Love is removed from GOLD we are left with GOD. She asked her Avatar Nahtan, "Is GOLD, the gentle-powerful vibration or musical chord for Love? Is GOLD.....Love.....solidified into a precious metal?"
Nahtan as a good teacher asked her questions to encourage her learning, "Can Love be destroyed? Can Love be pounded and pressed into various shapes, without breaking?...Can Love heal?" The conclusion then is that GOLD and LOVE have alot in common. Linda still pondered the link between EARTH, HEART and GOLD, but the furthest she got was both EARTH and HEART also contain TEAR, and then later on GOLD contains OLD and LOG and apparently the oldest tree known to the Americas is the Bristle Cone Pine an 'old log' which grows profusely in the Gold Rush areas of America, and then some time later Linda had a dream in which she says the mystery was revealed to her...but frustratingly Nahtan advised her not to include this 'solution' in Star Signs as "...You do not help people by doing all of their spiralling for them..."

The only thing I can add to this myself is that when reading this section again it struck me that Gold is found in the HEART of the EARTH

Hope this is helpful or at list gives you more info then you had before

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fayte.m
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posted September 01, 2006 08:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your reply!
................~Earth~^*~Heart~^*~Gold~

..............................OH EARTH
....................READER! AL GORE,
...............A REAL LEADER HE TOLD
.............A RATHER RARE EARTH A
..........TOTAL GREED RELATED TALE.
.........HE RAGED AT THE TREE DEATH,...............= EARTH
.........A ROTTED THREAT, TOGETHER
.............GATHER, DARE HEAL THE
..............GREATER TREE. RETARD
....................THE TREE HATER
...............................HORDE!

...................DARE.................THEE
.............GET HOLD,.......REDO, HEAL
.........ALTOGETHER HEAR GOD ROAR!
...........OH DEAR GOD LET A HEALER....................= HEART
................HEAL HER GOLD HEART
.......................GREAT HEALTH
.........................TO THE RARE
...............................EARTH
..................................OH!
....................................*
...............................EARTH
...............................HEART..............................................= GOLD !
...............................GOLD !
© 2006 FM

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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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fayte.m
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posted September 01, 2006 08:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EARTH HEART GOLD

A short Lexigram of:

~Earth~^*~Heart~^*~Gold~

OH EARTH READER!
AL GORE,
A REAL LEADER HE TOLD A RATHER RARE EARTH
A TOTAL GREED RELATED TALE.
HE RAGED AT THE TREE DEATH, A ROTTED THREAT,
TOGETHER GATHER,
DARE HEAL THE GREATER TREE,
RETARD THE TREE HATER HORDE!
GET HOLD, REDO, ALTOGETHER HEAR GOD ROAR!
OH GOD HEALER HEAL HER GOLD HEART
GREAT HEALTH TO THE RARE EARTH.

© 2006 FM


Which coincides with this information: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/50/504.html TARGET=_blank>http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1663566.htmhttp://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/50/504.html http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf 2609=sun
<O> <( O )> )O( {O} <{O}> <{( O )}> Oo <3 AU ){oO<3AU}(
<{( O )}> <( O )> 2609=heart=8=infinity symbol? http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/26/268.html

Symbols.com - Symbol 26:8 In the body 2609 symbolizes the heart, the blood circulation and the backbone.
As a symbol for people in an individual's life in the birth chart it ... www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/26/268.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages http://www.levity.com/alchemy/kollerstrom_gold.html
Until very recent times gold was used as a heart remedy,
this being the organ associated with the sun.
The sun manifests the colour of gold at sunrise and at sunset.
The latin word for gold, aurum (thus, the chemical symbol Au),
derives from the Greek word Aurora - the golden goddess of the dawn.
Rudolf Steiner gave ‘AU’ as the Sun-sound, so try intoning it.
The word ‘aura’ comes from the same root, indicating the idea of
radiance as associated with this metal.
Until very recent times gold was used as a heart remedy, this being
the organ associated with the sun. Homeopathic doctors still use it
in this manner in high dilutions and regard it as a remedy for depressive
or suicidal conditions: a ‘total eclipse of the heart’. Its distribution
within the human organism reaches its highest concentration in the
region of the heart. Gold is used by doctors to diagnose heart problems.
As the highest concentrations of gold in the human body occur around
the heart, a radio-isotope of gold has been developed (the Au-195 isotope),
which can give an image of the blood-containing structures within the heart,
a process called 'heart-imaging'. Gold gives a heart image! In Britain this
new technology has been developed in St. Bartholomew's hospital,
London. One expert described the gold used in this way as 'a very
convenient medium for rapid assessment of changes in cardiac function' (3,4).
Economically, gold functions as a kind of heart-centre which maintains and
guarantees a circulation of paper money.
Cows have the highest concentration of gold in their horns.

more about Al Gore and his books with key words such as heart/gold/earth:

Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit - Page xxiv
by Albert Gore - Nature - 2000 - 416 pages
The choice is ours; the Environment Decade is within our reach; the earth is in
the balance. AL GORE December 1999 Postscript: For those who want to attack ...
Limited preview - Table of Contents - Index - About this book

Joined at the Heart: The Transformation of the American Family - Page 1
by Al Gore, Tipper Gore - Family & Relationships - 2003 - 417 pages

A bit from Al Gore:
Gore argues that another misconception is that we need to balance environmentalism with economic impact. Showing a picture of the earth and a pile of gold bars in balance, Gore notes, "If we don't have a planet..." and trails off to laughter. If we do the right thing, he argues, we'll create a lot of wealth and a lot of jobs. Right now, we can't sell cars in China, because we can't meet their environmental standards. http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004139.html

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cat71
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Wow fayte - impressive

Scientifically (trying to remember my biology lessons here )
isn't gold created by the rotting and compressing of trees over thousands/millions of years so that
THE EARTH HEART A TREE DEATH
TREE DEATH = GOLD
GOLD GREED = EARTH DEATH
GOLD HEART = GREATER EARTH

not real good at Lexis just trying to add a bit here I used = because there is no 'is'

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fayte.m
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Wow fayte - impressive
Scientifically (trying to remember my biology lessons here )
isn't gold created by the rotting and compressing of trees over thousands/millions of years so that
THE EARTH HEART A TREE DEATH
TREE DEATH = GOLD
GOLD GREED = EARTH DEATH
GOLD HEART = GREATER EARTH

not real good at Lexis just trying to add a bit here I used = because there is no 'is'


OK....more information on GOLD...
The formation of gold deposits: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1263810.stm
Friday, 6 April, 2001, 09:44 GMT 10:44 UK
Scientists work out origins of gold

A group of British and Swiss scientists says it may have solved the mystery of where gold comes from.

The earth does not have the extremes of pressure and temperature needed to create such dense metals and calculations by the team back up a theory that they were formed before the creation of the planet.

It's believed the metals are a by-product of nuclear reactions triggered by collisions between super-dense old stars -- objects up to a million times heavier than earth, but measuring only a few miles across.

The explosions threw the gold, platinum and other dense metals into space, polluting the gas around them, which then cooled into stars and planets such as earth, encasing deposits of gold within them.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_1032376.htm

BY THE WAY!

The word "GOLD" can also be used in another way.....

OIL IS BLACK GOLD.
So think of the oil being taken from the Earth and such drilling damaging the earth and
linked to some earthquakes.
Not to forget, both gold and black
gold(oil) linked to reasons for much wars.

So ancient TREE DEATH=Oil/coal/diamonds....not gold....but black gold and (crystals?) gems such as a diamond.


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fayte.m
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EARTH HEART GOLD

EAR can be made from the letters in Earth or Heart.
HEART and EARTH are "perfect" Anagrams of each other, in the letter sense.
EAR:
The ear is the sense organ that detects sound. The vertebrate ear shows a common biology from fish to humans, with variations in structure according to order and species. It not only acts as a receiver for sound, but plays a major role in the sense of balance and body position.

The word "ear" may be used correctly to describe the whole vertebrate ear, or just the visible portion. In most animals, the visible ear is a flap of tissue that is also called the pinna. The pinna may be all that shows of the ear, but it has only a tiny role in hearing and none at all in the sense of balance. In people, the pinna is more often called the auricle.

I find it interesting too that an EAR is also:
"The top part of a grain plant, such as wheat. The ear contains the seeds."

~See how it all links back to Earth, sound, sense of hearing, sense of balance, balance of the ecosystem,
life, both animal and plant.~

AURAL
Of or relating to the ear or to the sense of hearing.
AURICLE
1.Auricle:
Small ear-like projections. Found at the junction of the blade and the sheath in grasses. See drawing of parts of a grass plant.

2.Auricle:
The ear-like extension of the hinge found on some clams. See clams.

3.Auricle:
a small conical pouch projecting from the upper anterior part of each atrium of the heart.

4.Auricle:
The externally visible cartilaginous structure of the external ear.

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cat71
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thanks for informing me fayte, biology lessons were a while a go...
Good point about black gold though, it's always made me really angry when the governments of US and UK talk about weapons of mass destruction and saddam and osama, when really they mean we're losing control of the oil/money!

I also just thought of that old adage - heart of gold, interesting related to the above links that Linda noted.


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fayte.m
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posted September 02, 2006 07:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for thinking on this.

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bleakbeauty
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posted September 02, 2006 09:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow cat, how did you find all that out? I would never figure that out on my own!

I've often wondered about the EARTH HEART GOLD mystery.

Awesome!

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fayte.m
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posted September 03, 2006 12:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She quoted it from Star Signs.

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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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bleakbeauty
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posted September 03, 2006 04:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linda doesn't reveal the meaning of the EARTH HEART GOLD mystery in Star Signs...

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cat71
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posted September 03, 2006 06:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bleakbeauty - my first post here, is indeed from the info in Star Signs - the others are just me musing and spiralling

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fayte.m
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bleakbeauty said:
quote:
Linda doesn't reveal the meaning of the EARTH HEART GOLD mystery in Star Signs...

Cat71 said:
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then some time later Linda had a dream in which she says the mystery was revealed to her...but frustratingly Nahtan advised her not to include this 'solution' in Star Signs as "...You do not help people by doing all of their spiralling for them..."

Thanks again cat71. Much of my lexigram spiralling comes in DREAM. I can relate to that. However, a mystery revealed without the answer is still a mystery.

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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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fayte.m
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posted September 03, 2006 08:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DP.

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cat71
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posted September 03, 2006 08:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mutual respect fayte

Libran here - so always happy to discuss and debate, especially re Star Signs

I found Star Signs first in a library 7 yrs ago when I was experiencing Saturn Return and some very difficult situations in my life - When I started reading I felt as though I'd found an old friend who was helping me to remember everything I had always believed but had no-one to discuss/debate with... Linda validated many of my questions, theories and musings I have had since I was a child. I wouldn't call it my Bible as I am always open to new belief systems and experiences but I certainly admit turning the pages when new questions arise in my life. I think, like anything in life, you take what resonates with your own spirit and remain open to those things that ur spirit questions

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...to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever...

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fayte.m
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Yes even Linda's teachings were not intended as the end all to be all.
xxxviii INTRODUCTION
quote:
Neither should you blindly accept, on your quest for truth, the validity of the star sign codes of the Universe I offer in this book-until you have practiced and carefully tested each one, so that you can decide for yourself rather than take my word for it.

To continue, in Linda's own words:
xl INTRODUCTION
quote:
However, I do not ask-nor do I even expect-any of you to regard my concepts as your truth, unless they should happen to agree with your own personal enlightenment and private convictions.

Concerning truth:
INTRODUCTION xli
quote:
But real Truth can be found in one place only-in every man's and woman's communion with an eternal Source of hidden Knowledge within-which each individual must seek and find for himself or herself.

I do not believe that Linda had intended for any of us to set her up high upon a pedestal and worship her blindly nor even agree with her or follow her way, her path.

I am still curious as to exactly what is to be Lexigrammed.

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cat71
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posted September 03, 2006 08:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
woops - missed ur questions fayte, sorry...

Quote...
Again, what is to be lexigrammed?
Earth heart?
Earth gold?
Earth heart gold?
Earth heart gold mystery?

Not sure...
Linda started with EARTH, then when she noticed HEART in earth she linked the 2, and when she did the 'word family' spiralling she found GOLD - I think the mystery part may have been added by those investigating Linda's spiralling
Linda's quote from Star Signs relating the dream appears like this:
"My dream had solved the Lexigram puzzle of EARTH and HEART and GOLD."
Hope that helps

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fayte.m
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posted September 03, 2006 08:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again cat71.

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fayte.m
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cat71
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EARTH and HEART are twin word druids

Apologies, but I do not believe in these so called druids. I feel Linda was in communication with a few trickster spirits.
I have very good reasons for my views on that.
Muses....druids....nixies....pixies....and so forth....
Beware....The ancients knew this.....
Myth tells us....there is always a catch,
a price to be paid....
To these clever tricksters.....
Those who wish to keep gnosis
in the realms of mystery because it "seems" more divine.
Those who ridicule logic,
and do not want us to think for oursELVES. Like Queen Maub;
they would lose their control over things, which they do
not want to see evolve, and mysteries they do not want solved.
Without mindless blind worship, such creatures cannot influence mankind
to suit their own agendas.
Such willful ones would desire to keep us in the Dark Ages.
Logic, Science,and Fact terrify such as them.
It would be funny if it were not so sad in some ways.
Also doesn't anyone other than me find these druids not very evolved nor ethical nor honest...and not very intelligent?
Folks claim here at LL that these WDs are naughty...mischievous...prone to lying and telling folks to add letters not found in the source they are Lexigramming...leading folks astray...giving them an excuse to not birth error free Lexigrams. Perhaps they did/do that because it was not yet the time to free the keys...reveal the mystery's answers.
Point....could it be that they do it intentionally to keep folks from unlocking mysteries in Lexigramming?
Are they intent upon keeping the keys from anyone who will not oppose them? By listening to them certain parts of the puzzle, the sacred and yes, logical key pieces are eliminated. I submit, the adding of letters and words not found in that which one is Lexigramming, the vowel restriction, and so forth...are tactics to keep the keys out of our hands. And so thusly...I do them with all vowels, I do them without adding letters not there to be found...I do them without Letter limits. I have the letters, I use them. I do not have certain ones, then I do not add them. Those druids did not reveal the secrets and keys to Linda I feel because it was not her destiny to reveal them. They awaited another/others.
Additionally...these naughty spirits...is that why Linda broke even her own rules? Is their mischief the reason many of her Lexigrams have blatant meaning altering not allowed added words?
No further comment.
But thank you for your reply.

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...and so the links continue...

Linda has a chapter on sound/music in Star Signs "Forgotten Melodies"

In fact I can't remember if it's Linda or someone else who asserted the stones of Stonehenge were moved into place through using the vibrational energy of music/tones...

"curiouser and curiouser," said Alice

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Black gold. Only one of the codes/keys, within a key of keys, within a sequence relating back to one. There are perhaps 12 complex multi faceted keys. Think of a honeycomb's cells. Think Quantum. Think Geometry. Think Logic. Think Biology. Think Sociology. Think Sound, waves, Frequencies. Think.....the list of clues, to finding the code keys,and deciphering the messages continues. This links to the other mystery she alluded to, but never revealed nor had she finished deciphering it before she died.
There are more mysteries than just that.
As Linda was told, it was not time for her to reveal what she knew. She died before she revealed anything more. I do not feel she really had more, but was waiting for someone to reveal to her the keys and codes. "A mystery is only a mystery, a riddle is only a riddle, to those who have not found the theoritical answers. Once found however, new mysteries and riddles come to fore, as it all spirals back upon itself and out and repeats in an infinite recursional loop forming new probabilities within each occurrence. Eternal is this quest ."
PS. Watch the movie, "Mindwalk".
PPS. "There is no Spoon"

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EDITED:

As to Linda's Lexigram concerning Druids and Stonehenge.....
It has left me with questions as to why it was not corrected.
Firstly I will note that she put Druids in upper case. Which is
fine by me, but contradicts her saying elsewhere by her reckoning,
it should be in lower case letters. I have set off
in bold the errors(added letters not set off in parenthesis)
and also the letters she set off correctly, by her rules, in parenthesis.
The exceptions here are the odd scrambled line:
OSIR(i) IS (i) S
and also her setting HE-SHE off in parenthesis which was not necessary.
To Continue:

quote:
DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE

THE ONE NOTE IS NOT GONE
THE DRUIDS HID IT HERE IN THE RUINS EONS AGO
AS THE SUN ROSE
IT IS HIDDEN IN THE HUGE STONES...SEE THE STONES?
OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS
TO SING THE TRUE NOTE FOR US (at) SUNRISE
THEIR SON HORUS GUIDED HERE TOO...TO SING
THE TRUE TONE
A SONG SUNG AT SUNRISE
THE GREAT GODS (HE-SHE) ORDAINED THIS
THIS IS RIGHT (and) THIS IS TRUE
A SONG OF GOODNESS SUNG (at) SUNRISE
THESE THREE (shall be) LED THERE (by) THE DRUIDS
HORUS IS HIS SON (Osiris)...HORUS IS HER SON (Isis)
STONEHENGE SINGS TO US!
SEE HIS TEARS?...................................SEE HER ROSES?
HEAR THE STONES?........................OH! HEAR THEIR SONG!
__________________SOON___________________



DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE
The following is the Lexigram with the actual words found from the source phrase;
"DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE";
in BOLDED uppercase letters, and all added letters in parenthesis.
quote:
DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE

THE ONE NOTE IS NOT GONE
THE DRUIDS HID IT HERE IN THE RUINS EONS
(a)GO
(a)S THE SUN ROSE
IT IS HIDDEN IN THE HUGE STONES...SEE THE STONES?

OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS
TO SING THE TRUE NOTE FOR US
(a)T SUNRISE
THEIR SON HORUS GUIDED HERE TOO...TO SING
THE TRUE TONE
A SONG SUNG
(a)T SUNRISE
THE
GRE(a)T GODS (HE-SHE) ORD(a)INED THIS
THIS IS RIGHT
(a)ND THIS IS TRUE
(a) SONG OF GOODNESS SUNG (a)T SUNRISE
THESE THREE
SH(all) (b)E (l)ED THERE (by) THE DRUIDS
HORUS IS HIS SON
OSIR(i)S...HORUS IS HER SON IS(i)S
STONEHENGE SINGS TO US!
SEE HIS
TE(a)RS?...................................SEE HER ROSES?
HE(a)R THE STONES?........................OH! HE(a)R THEIR SONG!
__________________SOON___________________


However not sure what she wanted to say here:

quote:
OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS

"OSIR(i) IS (i) S"
***********Was she trying to say:
"OSIR(i)S IS"....leaving an extra letter "I" ?
***********Or:
"OSIR(i)S IS(i)S"....needing an extra letter "S" ?

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For more on this subject see: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000007-2.html

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>>>Cat71 said that BB.

I just found the part in Starsigns...sorry. I've only read the book once and I forgot that there was that much written on it.

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